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The giant penryn/santa rosa/merom/montevina misconception

wildwobby said:
Right, but Nehalem comes out in late 2008, capella in early 2009. I don't see why Apple would update macbook pros only to have to update again a few months later...

They could do another upgrade later in 2009 when Westmere is ready...
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Well, I guess but that's what Apple is doing now when you look at it. Assuming the MacBook Pro gets released this Tuesday or hopefully this month, Apple will update the chipset in July or August most likely and it's just a 4-5 month wait.
 
We have a worthy successor to Multimedia! This is the sort of thing I used to rely on his posts for. Thank you for providing this valuable information!
 
Core Duo vs. Core 2 Duo = later is not much faster at all. Take a look at benchmark test and you will see about a 1 - 3 second speed increase on heavy processing. My MBP Core Duo is 2.16 is faster then my iMac 2.0 Core 2 Duo both with the same amount of ram and 7200 HD. Given of course the MBP has a faster processor yet with the advantages of the iMac it still does not catch up.
 
front side bus

what is really so great about the added front side bus of montevina, im kind of a noob srry, so what does front side bus really do anyways?:confused:
 
hancock said:
what is really so great about the added front side bus of montevina, im kind of a noob srry, so what does front side bus really do anyways?:confused:
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Its the speed at which data travels between the CPU and the Northbridge, which is what connects the CPU, memory, graphics together. Faster the better. However its not going to make a HUGE difference. Montevina is all hype.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Motherboard_diagram.png
 
Spievy said:
So can someone explain what the difference is between a CoreDuo and a Core2Duo?
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The largest difference is that Core 2 Duos are 64 bit processors, while Core Duos are 32 bit processors. There are many architectural improvements from Core Duo to Core 2 Duo, which make sure that 32 bit code also runs faster on a Core 2 Duo. For a detailed comparison, see the guide at http://guides.macrumors.com/Core_2_Duo .

Both Core Duo (codename Yonah) and Core 2 Duo (codenames Merom and Penryn) are members of the same architecture family, which followed the "Netburst" architecture (Pentium 4, excellent at achieving high clock speeds and keeping the home nice and warm, not so good at getting actual work done).
 
So WildWobby's information is on a table on engadget. Atleast post the original image, it is much easier to follow than the pure text you wrote out.



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http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/18/intel-branding-montevina-platform-centrino-2/
 
typerlover said:
So WildWobby's information is on a table on engadget. Atleast post the original image, it is much easier to follow than the pure text you wrote out.



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http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/18/intel-branding-montevina-platform-centrino-2/
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That's a great image documenting the development of the Centrino platform. I hope it helps the less informed users out. It helped me remember a few things.

Watabou said:
Actually, wild's post was better than the image you posted. Not everyone can understand Chinese you see...
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I didn't see the need to understand Chinese. wildwobby is free to make their own table though. Want me to translate it for you?
 
nikhsub1 said:
...Other than that, your speech will fall on deaf ears round here... Mac users don't like to read it seems or don't know how to grasp the Intel roadmap.
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Speak for yourself.

If you think most mac users don't wanna read stuff on a forums,
wouldn't macrumors be filled with video based threads, comments and replies? :rolleyes:
 
cmm26red said:
Furthermore: "To qualify for a Centrino label, laptop vendors must use all three Intel qualified parts, otherwise using only the processor and chipset will carry the Intel Core 2 label instead." I believe that MPBs do not qualify as Centrino, although I could be wrong.

;)
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Correct. So the current machines are technically not Santa Rosa since Apple doesn't use Intel's wifi chip. But it's pretty close.
 
abiyng87 said:
I didn't really follow whether you are still looking at it this way or not, but to clear things up Central Processing Unit = processor.
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And to further cleanse the water,

Santa Rosa and Montevina = Platform
Crestline = Chipset
 
Type121 said:
Correct. So the current machines are technically not Santa Rosa since Apple doesn't use Intel's wifi chip. But it's pretty close.
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cmm26red said:
Your info is a little off. Correct me if I am wrong, but Santa Rosa is the name of the current platform used in the MPB while Crestline is the actual name of the chipset. You listed current and future chipsets with the respective platform names. A platform consists a particular combination of CPU, mainboard chipset (i.e. Crestline) and wireless network interface. Your post would be more correct if you removed chipset and replaced it with platform.

Furthermore: "To qualify for a Centrino label, laptop vendors must use all three Intel qualified parts, otherwise using only the processor and chipset will carry the Intel Core 2 label instead." I believe that MPBs do not qualify as Centrino, although I could be wrong.
;)
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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.... Tell'em what he won Steve!
 
wildwobby said:
I am posting this to clear everybody up on the diference between some of these terms as it seems 90% of these forums aren't clear.

There are two different things that are named here. Chipset names and Processor names.

CHIPSETS:
-CENTRINO (General name for intel's mobile chipsets)
--Carmel (2003)
--Sonoma (2005)
--Napa (2006) (Used in previous rev. MBP)
--Santa Rosa(2007) (Used in current rev. MBP)
--Montevina(2008) (will be released this summer)
--Capella(Early 2009)

PROCESSORS:
-Core Duo (General name for intel's 1st generations of dual core chips)
--Yonah (Used in first rev MBP)
-Core 2 Duo (General name for intel's 2nd generation chips (current))
--Merom (used in current rev MBP)
--Penryn (to be used in nex-gen MBP)
-Nehalem (General name for intel's next architecture)
--Nehalem/Clarksfield (Processors that will succeed Penryn - late 2008).
--Westmere (2009)
-Sandy Bridge (General name to intel's next micro architecture - 2010)

Alrighty. As you can see Processors are not the same thing as Chipsets. Therfore we are not going from 'Santa Rosa' to 'Penryn' in the next rev MBP. However, we are going from 'Merom' to 'Penryn' and staying with the same Santa Rosa chipset. The update after that, based on apple's previous history will be from 'Santa Rosa' to 'montevina' while staying with the 'Penryn' family of processors (later this year).

Out of all of the updates, Nehalem and Sandy Bridge are the two biggest things to be excited for. They are much much much more powerful than current processors.

Misconception #2:
"Montevina will be SOOOO good."

Umm, actually the only big diference between Montevina and Santarosa is the bus speed.
800 FSB/667 memory to 1066/800. Montevina also supports integrated WiMAX... but thats an internet access thing, not a speed increase.

Just because it will be branded as Centrino 2 means nothing. Santa Rosa was branded as Centrino Pro...

The upgrade to Penryn is actually a bigger step performance-wise than the upgrade to Montevina will be.
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Thanks for the post.
 
Its a good thing Apple didn't follow Intel's Napa platform completely or we would be stuck with 802.11g instead of getting draft n. Looks like WiMAX is on the way for the next round. Wonder if Apple will go with the full platform since Montevina is so close?
 
When :apple: will regain the good old days when the processors used on the Macs were so powerful that even with "slower clock speed ratings" they were the fastest on consumers personal computers...

I hope that Intel releases some new chips specially designed for :apple: , and that they developed them like the one they did for the MBA, so they surpirse us with a state of the art processor on 2/26, and they will make Leopard faster than the speed of light...


By Leopard I also mean that the Boot Camp partition is included in the game.
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McGiord said:
When :apple: will regain the good old days when the processors used on the Macs were so powerful that even with "slower clock speed ratings" they were the fastest on consumers personal computers...

I hope that Intel releases some new chips specially designed for :apple: , and that they developed them like the one they did for the MBA, so they surpirse us with a state of the art processor on 2/26, and they will make Leopard faster than the speed of light...


By Leopard I also mean that the Boot Camp partition is included in the game.
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What are you talking about? Slower clock speed ratings that were the fastest on personal computers? Can I have what you've been smoking? Apple is good at marketing, you sir are living proof of that. Apple will always say that it's hardware is best, or fastest even when it isn't so.
 
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