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The greed of Disney

Citizen Cook

Citizen Cook

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So I bought the 4K TV and I bought the excellent 4K apple TV.
I then went to prepurchase The Last Jedi on iTunes last week.

Imagine my shock and then disgust to learn that Disney are refusing to play ball like all of the other studios and sell their 4K content digitally for a reasonable price.

In the UK a DVD typically sells for around £10, a blu ray for £15, and a UHD for £25.
As far as I can see this is a scam.

Does the cost of pressing a UHD disc cost £15 more than a DVD?
 
No, but mastering to a 4K resolution has required an upgrade to the camera hardware used to film, increase in CPU time to render the special effects to a 4K digital intermediate, increase in costs to licence HEVC, Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision. The main battle at the moment is Apple vs Disney. All the other other main studios have agreed with Apple that 4K can be sold at the same price as HD, but Disney have held out - presumably thinking that they can get a better deal.
 
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I’d like to see a cost breakdown. If it was a bad deal e other studios wouldn’t have agreed.
Corporate greed is the only obvious answer to Disney holding out.
 
Umm because they can. Like all things as long as people are willing to pay the proverbial "they" will push the price. Clearly they feel that there is more value in the 4K version or whatever so you better pay. Apple is there for Apple, and Disney is there for Disney. Both greedy beggars imho.
 
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Citizen Cook said:
I’d like to see a cost breakdown. If it was a bad deal e other studios wouldn’t have agreed.
Corporate greed is the only obvious answer to Disney holding out.
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Obviously I can't speak accurately about why the studios agreed to Apple's offer, but I'm guessing it was a combination of thinking that Apple would mess up the Apple TV 4K launch and that people would stick with VUDU and pay $5 more for UHD and there is the growing threat of NetFlix and Amazon making lots of UHD content available.
 
kiranmk2 said:
Obviously I can't speak accurately about why the studios agreed to Apple's offer, but I'm guessing it was a combination of thinking that Apple would mess up the Apple TV 4K launch and that people would stick with VUDU and pay $5 more for UHD and there is the growing threat of NetFlix and Amazon making lots of UHD content available.
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Is there a Vudu app for apple tv? There isn’t a movies anywhere in my country.
I just wish this stuff was unified.

You buy a movie on disc, it works on any player. Digital should be the same way.
 
There is a Vudu app for the Apple TV, but just looking through my own Vudu library right now that has some 4K titles redeemed in it, I think that app tops out at 1080p.
 
maflynn said:
Simple solution, don't buy from them. If you think they're over-charging, then as a consumer do not give them any money.
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Well it isn’t that simple.

First of all, because I can’t buy from them because they refuse to sell 4K content on iTunes.
 
Citizen Cook said:
Well it isn’t that simple.

First of all, because I can’t buy from them because they refuse to sell 4K content on iTunes.
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So I'm missing something, you're complaining about how much they charge, but then say you cannot purchase their content :confused:
 
maflynn said:
So I'm missing something, you're complaining about how much they charge, but then say you cannot purchase their content :confused:
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I would suggest to reread all of my comments if you feel you have missed something. It’s ok, I’ll wait.
 
maflynn said:
I have, you posted this:


You as a consumer have the right not buy it, which is what I recommended. If I'm misunderstanding your point, then please clear up my confusion
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No you haven’t. There is no way you just reread everything I wrote that quickly.

There is no need for me to clear up anything. Just go back and read everything I have written. I have raised several points, not just one.
 
maflynn said:
Well do you agree on the point I raised that as a consumer you don't have to buy Disney Content if you feel the price is not to your liking?
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Of course, but that isn’t my point.

My point is I can’t buy dsiney content on itunes in 4K because of their greed.
My disc based comments are ancillary.
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MacDawg said:
I'm confused as well
Is the content NOT available in iTunes in your country?
Or is it just not available at a price you find to be reasonable?

Note: yes I read all of your posts twice
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Why are you confused?

I’m confused that you’re confused.

Several times I have clearly stated that 4K dsiney content is not available on iTunes.
This was in my orignal post.
 
Citizen Cook said:
Why are you confused?

I’m confused that you’re confused.

Several times I have clearly stated that 4K dsiney content is not available on iTunes.
This was in my orignal post.
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LOL, no that is NOT what you said in your original post
You said, "Disney are refusing to play ball like all of the other studios and sell their 4K content digitally for a reasonable price."
And you seem to be changing your story as you go

Is it not available AT ALL
Or not available at a reasonable price

You said you can't buy on iTunes in 4K because of their greed
That implies it is there, but you don't want to pay the price
 
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MacDawg said:
LOL, no that is NOT what you said in your original post
You said, "Disney are refusing to play ball like all of the other studios and sell their 4K content digitally for a reasonable price."
And you seem to be changing your story as you go

Is it not available AT ALL
Or not available at a reasonable price

You said you can't buy on iTunes in 4K because of their greed
That implies it is there, but you don't want to pay the price
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You are taking what i said out of context.

My original comment is still there unedited. Everyone can go and read it ad make theor own points up.
Was I unclear?
Why don’t we let the Internet decide.
 
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Citizen Cook said:
My point is I can’t buy dsiney content on itunes in 4K because of their greed.
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How is not selling 4k equals corportate greed? I really am trying to understand your complaint. You started off complaining about Disney over-charging but they're not over-charging you since they're not selling to you
 
maflynn said:
How is not selling 4k equals corportate greed? I really am trying to understand your complaint. You started off complaining about Disney over-charging but they're not over-charging you since they're not selling to you
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Because they want more than all of the other corporations who are happy with a £13.99 price point on iTunes.
And any corporation charging £25 for a UHD are also price gouging. I have clearly stated these beliefs repeatedly during this discussion.
 
Citizen Cook said:
Because they want more than all of the other corporations who are happy with a £13.99 price point on iTunes.
And any corporation charging £25 for a UHD are also price gouging. I have clearly stated these beliefs repeatedly during this discussion.
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Do you make the same complaint about apple products because they're more expensive then others? What about Rolex watches, or BMWs (they're just cars after all).

As I've said before, companies have the right to set their own prices, and its the consumers who have to make a choice as to whether that's a fair price.

As for Disney, do you know how much it costs them to make a film? How much they spend to market that film? Just because other studios charge less, doesn't mean that disney has the same level of overhead. is it really corporate greed or does disney have more overhead that they need to account for? I'm not defending them, because to be honest, I don't know. As as consumer I will decide if I want to buy their product or not.

Since you cannot buy the very content you're complaining about, I do find it a bit odd, but I guess everyone has a right to voice their opinions.
 
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maflynn said:
Do you make the same complaint about apple products because they're more expensive then others? What about Rolex watches, or BMWs (they're just cars after all).

As I've said before, companies have the right to set their own prices, and its the consumers who have to make a choice as to whether that's a fair price.

As for Disney, do you know how much it costs them to make a film? How much they spend to market that film? Just because other studios charge less, doesn't mean that disney has the same level of overhead. is it really corporate greed or does disney have more overhead that they need to account for? I'm not defending them, because to be honest, I don't know. As as consumer I will decide if I want to buy their product or not.

Since you cannot buy the very content you're complaining about, I do find it a bit odd, but I guess everyone has a right to voice their opinions.
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I never claimed that a company doesn’t reserve the right to price gouge their loyal customers. That is their prerogative.

My frustration comes from not having the option to buy that company’s content on my device of choice (apple TV) because of their corporate greed. As I said, they refuse to play ball with apple unlike all of the other major studios.

Now, this is their right. But it is my right to express my dissatisfaction with their anti consumer policies. As is your right to defend them if you so choose.
 
Citizen Cook said:
I never claimed that a company doesn’t reserve the right to price gouge their loyal customers.
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What proof do you have they Disney is gouging consumers. Just because they charge a different amount is not proof.

Citizen Cook said:
My frustration comes from not having the option to buy that compaies content on my device of choice (apple TV) because of theor corporate greed
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But that's not what you said in your first post. You complained about Disney pricing their content higher then others so that means they must be greedy.
Also, you haven't explained how not selling something is corporate greed, this makes no sense.

Citizen Cook said:
As I said, they refuse to play ball woth apple unlike all of the other major studios.
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Why are you frustrated then? if (I assume you meant Disney not Apple) Disney doesn't sell content and you're refusing to buy it anyways.
 
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