Wait till they give out free ones and make it look like the people are buying
(like they did with Galaxy S)
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Wait till they give out free ones and make it look like the people are buying
(like they did with Galaxy S)Right...because nokia is really the kingmaker in the mobile industry
And sure if enough android devices get out there the numbers could exceed apple. But there's more to it than just numbers.
Given that Nokia is the #1 phone manufacturer in the world... and given that Symbian is the most popular smartphone OS because it is what Nokia uses... yeah, Nokia really is the king maker.
People get too caught up in reading spec sheets and don't consider the overall user experience. Hardware optimization is more important than just raw hardware.
Without a contract (same as the iPad by default), these will be nearly $1,000. Also, these will not be able to be manufactured at anywhere close to 2 million/month.
BUT THE IPAD IS DOOMED
BUT THE IPAD IS DOOMED
This is true for Android too though. However, at least Apple stuff is easy to use which, at the end of the day, matters most to the average user, not having several extraneous features which attempt to make up for the software shortcomings - Google even admits that Android is not tablet ready.
Then there's the app problem - because so many manufacturers are cooking up so many different Android devices, there's a plethora of variables that dev's must account for (screen size, aspect ratio, resolution, RAM etc, etc).
Really?? Ye gads....
So, ok, then why would anyone in the US want this device on a 2y contract? First out of the gate... Locked in....
And they call us iPad buyers early adapters and suckers?????
I do have a need for a 7" iPad for my middle child. I think it would help her with her vision issues and reading. I have no desire to support another platform however to obtain it. I have a hefty investment in iOS (and unlike some I've only been in it for a year and don't own an iPhone) and it works with our needs well.
Hopefully it is everyone that buys it dream product..... Until the next one catches their eye.
It's more than "just" brand loyalty. Brand loyalty keeps Apple buyers coming back... but it doesn't explain the growth in sales that Apple is experiencing. Many people are becoming Apple customers for the first time. There's no loyalty there... yet.
Here we are 9 months after the iPad was announced, talking about an "iPad killer". Really? How can a device "kill" something that the pundits claimed was already dead-on-arrival?
Why were full-computer tablets all the buzz in the industry UNTIL the iPad shipped? Suddenly, those other devices were canceled and companies are STILL scrambling to product a similar touch device.
To chalk it up to "brand loyalty" is to completely dismiss the fact that Apple designed a genuinely useful product. The iPad isn't selling as well as it is (and spurring competitors to mimick it) simply because it is an Apple device.
Funny how a truly competitive product is always "soon to be released". "Just wait for the Adam Ink!"... still waiting.
Then to top things off, Apple gets slammed for NOT producing an iPad with SD card slot, camera, more memory, more powerful CPU. Frankly, I prefer the way that Apple is doing touch devices over how the competition is not doing it.
No...
Two things stand out to me. RESISTIVE screen and 3 hours battery life. If they are CLAIMING 3 hours battery life, its probably worse. That's useless to me.
Sent from my iPad.
Two things stand out to me. RESISTIVE screen and 3 hours battery life. If they are CLAIMING 3 hours battery life, its probably worse. That's useless to me.
Sent from my iPad.
It's not just hardware
Samsung, LG, Moto, BB... all of them are going to come out with tablets. The hardware may or may not be as good as the iPad as far as size, weight, battery life, etc. They WILL probably have more bells and whistles (USB, SD slot, etc). They will probably not be as responsive to touch, and their fluidity will not be there (first gen at least)... the thing they are missing is app support.
1. Android isn't designed for tablets. Not until the rumored 3.0 update at least. For now even Froyo (2.2) will have a very fractured experience. If android programs run at all on the tabs, they will not be optimized for it. Imagine if we only had iPhone apps for the iPad... wouldn't be a pretty picture.
2. Lack of store support. Sure, there are Android and BB stores. Right now there is NO tablet content, nor support for it if developers do develop them (which they probably will)... you're looking at months until anything useful is available. Samsung, Dell, etc don't run their own app stores. They don't have developers lined up to have products ready for release.
Seriously, who is going to risk $400 (or a two year contract) for a complete unknown from a company that doesn't even make the software, nor control the store?
When google releases a Tablet OS, we'll see. Until then, expect 90% of tablet sales to remain iPad.
Samsung, LG, Moto, BB... all of them are going to come out with tablets. The hardware may or may not be as good as the iPad as far as size, weight, battery life, etc. They WILL probably have more bells and whistles (USB, SD slot, etc). They will probably not be as responsive to touch, and their fluidity will not be there (first gen at least)... the thing they are missing is app support.
1. Android isn't designed for tablets. Not until the rumored 3.0 update at least. For now even Froyo (2.2) will have a very fractured experience. If android programs run at all on the tabs, they will not be optimized for it. Imagine if we only had iPhone apps for the iPad... wouldn't be a pretty picture.
2. Lack of store support. Sure, there are Android and BB stores. Right now there is NO tablet content, nor support for it if developers do develop them (which they probably will)... you're looking at months until anything useful is available. Samsung, Dell, etc don't run their own app stores. They don't have developers lined up to have products ready for release.
Seriously, who is going to risk $400 (or a two year contract) for a complete unknown from a company that doesn't even make the software, nor control the store?
When google releases a Tablet OS, we'll see. Until then, expect 90% of tablet sales to remain iPad.
You obviously have not seen the news about Nokia or the Symbian platform...
functions remarkably like the iPad. How ingenious of them.
+1
The lack of originality in the marketplace is utterly shocking.
Check out the Tab's KB dock.
Apple releases new product, blogosphere erupts with complaints and rants.
A few months later competitors release strikingly similar products.
I'll give you that one
but then, that's what happens when a load of electronic companies suddenly made overpriced computers, which themselves knew nothing about making computers.
Over priced them, arguable under-specced them, and did not keep upgrading them to keep pace with the fast cycle of change during those years.
Android is being accused of the opposite and changing too fast
I love fast change, and I love things being left behind as it's the only way to get somewhere fast. Stopping to help the old ones keep up will always slow you down.
Android will eventually reach a reasonable plateau one they hit limits of what's possible, until then, full steam ahead is what's going to make great products for consumers.
I'm one of those first time Apple folks and have severl other friends who are also. We aren't kids and are longtime PC users. Well, actually my first Apple was a Nano, then a Classic and then a Touch which convinced me I'd love an Ipad. i just didn't know how much or that I could use it so productively. We added a second one to our household. Neither of us boots up our desktops or laptops much. We're also self employed and can use them nicely for business with Dropbox, OfficeHD and Goodreader plus Google calendar.
I also just watched the new Kindle ad. I read a lot with the Kindle app but here in NC the times I would read in the sun could be counted on one hand. I don't want 2 devices, I don't need a smaller Ipad and I love the Apple apps which just work. Unless things change drastically, I would expect that I, my spouse and my friends will just stay on the Ipad path but likely won't change our desktop orientation.
I also just watched the new Kindle ad. I read a lot with the Kindle app but here in NC the times I would read in the sun could be counted on one hand. I don't want 2 devices, I don't need a smaller Ipad and I love the Apple apps which just work. Unless things change drastically, I would expect that I, my spouse and my friends will just stay on the Ipad path but likely won't change our desktop orientation.
You know this exact theory is what first made me look at my MacBook Pro. I was researching for a new computer and every review I read Computer X was trying to be better than an Apple.
Well, I said to myself,
"Self, if everyone is trying to be better than Apple, why not just buy the Apple."
Bought a MBP, and yup, far better than expected. I now swim in the Apple Kool-Aid.
Its another case of "To those who know, no explanation is needed, and to those who dont, no explanation is possible."
Count me in the recent apple converts side. I was never an apple fanboy, in fact quite the opposite. I hated them and was in the crew that largely derided the iphone when it came out as unoriginal.
Oh, one other thing, I'm also an IT admin and geek.
Flash forward a few years, my laptop was stolen. My dad had an old powerbook with os x lying around which I borrowed, and it just struck me how......pleasant the user experience was.
Flash forward a few years later and the ipad. I was intrigued from the very start with the rumours, I have actually wanted something like this for many years (and had great interest when ms started doing tablets, and then surface....). People kept saying, wait a bit, get a competitor, itunes is walled in blah blah blah.
In the end, the price was right, the features were right, the aesthetics were right, so I bought it. I've not looked back since.
After tinkering with OEL, Solaris, AD, Windows etc etc all day, I don't NEED root access, I don't need to be able to customise a million options. What I need, is something that is going to be a pleasure to use, provide interenet and media, and thats it. I can walk outside and have a cigerette and browse the internet. I can read books or watch tv on the train or plane. I just need somethign that works!
Oh...and I've had my ipad for three months now, if I had waited, well, even today I still wouldn't have a tablet.
Recently bought an iphone 4, and a ipod touch 4, so that I can facetime with my luddite mother in cyprus (i'm in england.) Skype and a PC were too complicated for her, I have a feeling this will be much more intuitive for her, and in the end, thats why apple is better than the rest.
Oh, one other thing, I'm also an IT admin and geek.
Flash forward a few years, my laptop was stolen. My dad had an old powerbook with os x lying around which I borrowed, and it just struck me how......pleasant the user experience was.
Flash forward a few years later and the ipad. I was intrigued from the very start with the rumours, I have actually wanted something like this for many years (and had great interest when ms started doing tablets, and then surface....). People kept saying, wait a bit, get a competitor, itunes is walled in blah blah blah.
In the end, the price was right, the features were right, the aesthetics were right, so I bought it. I've not looked back since.
After tinkering with OEL, Solaris, AD, Windows etc etc all day, I don't NEED root access, I don't need to be able to customise a million options. What I need, is something that is going to be a pleasure to use, provide interenet and media, and thats it. I can walk outside and have a cigerette and browse the internet. I can read books or watch tv on the train or plane. I just need somethign that works!
Oh...and I've had my ipad for three months now, if I had waited, well, even today I still wouldn't have a tablet.
Recently bought an iphone 4, and a ipod touch 4, so that I can facetime with my luddite mother in cyprus (i'm in england.) Skype and a PC were too complicated for her, I have a feeling this will be much more intuitive for her, and in the end, thats why apple is better than the rest.
I'm a fan of competition in the marketplace but I really don't think that the Galaxy Tab is an iPad killer. At most, its inclusion of some good features like the front facing camera will push Apple to release these features on their own product to keep up. I recently moved from Android to iOS and while I agree that its made big steps forward in the last year, the experience isn't nearly as clean as iOS. The "it just works" factor is big in the consumer world. I wouldn't hesitate to get my mom an iPad, I wouldn't buy her an Android tablet at this point. As for use at work, I have DocsToGo and I use my iPad at work all day every day. With a 7 inch screen, this would be next to impossible for text input on screen.
A very interesting point of view. That applies to a lot of "luxury" item categories (Mercedes/BMW, Rolex. etc) so why not computers. You NEVER hear anyone say "That sure is a Dell XXX killer" or "This one is an unquestioned Droid killer" - if you are the benchmark, you are the leader and in the catbird seat. It does sound smug and arrogant, but...
What news would that be? I see a bunch of news about symbian^3 and nokia expanding it's range... And let's say nokia dumps symbian, or whatever you are getting at, doesn't change the fact nokia single handily made symbian the #1 smartphone os in the world, because nokia is the #1 phone maker in the world.
All this android hate is funny to read given how off base most of it is... Android is not sluggish, as of 2.1 the sdk is screen size universal, and by 3.0 it will be a module os, ie you have your core os, then download the add on packs you want, for free, making it compatible with a lot more older devices and easier to update.
First time apple
I too am a first time Apple product buyer. I have never been an Apple Fanboy or whatever they want to call the loyal apple base. What has always surprised me is the complete lack of that, other products are good as well. Apple does not build the be all end all products. It build products to fill a need. That is all, pure and simple. I own a Droid Incredible and I love it. it is the best phone I have ever owned. I can do so much on it, and yes it supports flash. But I love the android market, and they are adding apps in leaps and bounds like iTunes. But the truth is both products fill a need for me as a consumer. The constant bashing of all these other tablets comign to market at some point is crazy. They will offer somethign and if the consumer feels it fills thier needs they will buy it. But to just ditch them, becuase they are not a Apple product is very closed minded.
Not all that being said, I love the iPad, love constantly playing with it. adding more apps and playing games, and doing email on it. However it can't replace my laptop.
I think a 7" can have sucess, as it could fill a "need". That is really what it is all about.
My .02 worth. And this is just my opinion
I too am a first time Apple product buyer. I have never been an Apple Fanboy or whatever they want to call the loyal apple base. What has always surprised me is the complete lack of that, other products are good as well. Apple does not build the be all end all products. It build products to fill a need. That is all, pure and simple. I own a Droid Incredible and I love it. it is the best phone I have ever owned. I can do so much on it, and yes it supports flash. But I love the android market, and they are adding apps in leaps and bounds like iTunes. But the truth is both products fill a need for me as a consumer. The constant bashing of all these other tablets comign to market at some point is crazy. They will offer somethign and if the consumer feels it fills thier needs they will buy it. But to just ditch them, becuase they are not a Apple product is very closed minded.
Not all that being said, I love the iPad, love constantly playing with it. adding more apps and playing games, and doing email on it. However it can't replace my laptop.
I think a 7" can have sucess, as it could fill a "need". That is really what it is all about.
My .02 worth. And this is just my opinion
Hey did this thing kill the iPad yet? Just keep me posted... also keep me posted on the iPhone killer - I've been hearing about them for years but am still waiting.
+1
Worth quoting, but those who shop by a spec list will never get it anyhow.
The other issue I've read about with the Galaxy Tab is the fact Google/Android has not implemented any means to "pixel double" the native resolution of any of the games or apps on the Market. Basically you get distorted apps and games that are stretched to fit the larger screen. This is not a pixel doubled situation, many different hardware manufactures, many different screen resolutions. This is not something Google can correct as easily as Apple did with the "Pixel doubling". Surfing, email etc... all good, apps will be a mess.
Enjoy your battery eating flash, but I'll pass on this one. Simply not ready for primetime.
*SIGH* I already see where this is going. Android is sluggish by the way unless you can get it in its pure form and not in some skinned, deformed form that ends up on most phones. Thats not Googles fault either because what they release is fast. Its the cell phone companies who change Android and screw it up.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/symbian-guru-shuts-down-says-nokia-is-losing-hard/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/gartner-symbian-is-re-arranging-the-deck-chairs-losing-buoya/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/22/nokia-delays-symbian-3-investors-not-impressed/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/symbian-s-4-makes-video-debut-fails-to-wow/
This is just a handful on engadget. There is many more stories. Nokia just can't keep up in the smartphone world. They have a few hits but many more misses. I loved Nokia back in the day but they aren't what they used to be.
There was even a time where you couldn't even sign up to be a Symbian developer. Trust me I know I looked into it.
Symbian is old, outdated, and just isn't an attractive platform for developers. In the modern age of cell phones where people want good apps and games, you have to follow the phones that are attractive to developers because thats where the best user experiences are going to be.