The iPad killer

[NebulaClash]

*SIGH* I already see where this is going. Android is sluggish by the way unless you can get it in its pure form and not in some skinned, deformed form that ends up on most phones. Thats not Googles fault either because what they release is fast. Its the cell phone companies who change Android and screw it up.

Yes, and to me that is what turns Android's greatest strength (openness) and turns it into its greatest weakness: the cell phone companies are jumping onto Android in a big way because they can lock it down. They control what you get and what you use and how you use it. They write custom UI skins and install unremovable junk ad apps and force you to use whatever search site has paid them money.

Google tried to do an end run around the cell service providers with their Nexus One approach. The cell companies killed it. They want to control their users, and once they found Android they realized that was the OS for them. They get it free, they lock it down, they own the user once again.

So all those people praising Android for its openness are not seeing the trap they are walking into. Oh, I know, the ubergeeks around here can root their phone no matter what, so they don't care. But I'm talking about the other 90% of the population (the ones who buy hundreds of millions of these phones) who will be trapped by Verizon or whoever, even as they imagine they are choosing the "open" phone. Sad.

I like the potential of Android. I hate what the cell providers are doing to it.

 

[pizz]

The Galaxy Tab is going to have an unmodified true version of Android. No third party branding. Although I dont think we'll see true tablet os from google until version 3.0 of Android.

I for one am looking forward to the Galaxy Tab. I really want to see other companies step it up and offer a competitive product in the tablet market. The "One tablet fits all" approach that Apple has doesnt cut it for everyone.

 

[koiaug]

It will be very popular, android or chrome OS based tablets are coming and Apple is vulnerable unless they open up development more and until they develop a better, more interactive iOS interface. We've been living with the same dumb square icon baby interface for 3 years now, Google has caught up with Apple's multi-touch technology (it was revolutionary) but they are taking all other aspects of interactiveness with the OS to another level while Apple is apparently at a development standstill in this area.

Apple needs to:
Enable ALL Flash in iOS
Open development up (less restrictive)
Re-make the iOS interface (widgets etc, more interactiveness)
Develop 3 models of iPhones (can't compete with 20+ android models)
Develop 3 models of iPads (won't be able to compete with the android tabs coming
iPhones need to be sold at ALL wireless network providers

Unless they do ALL that they'll lose to Google like they lost to Microsoft in the mid 90's.

So you're suggesting to the most profitable phone company (and largest tech by market cap) that their business model is flawed?

Ok. Let me try telling Exxon Mobil how to run the oil business.

 

[koiaug]

I too am a first time Apple product buyer. I have never been an Apple Fanboy or whatever they want to call the loyal apple base. What has always surprised me is the complete lack of that, other products are good as well. Apple does not build the be all end all products. It build products to fill a need. That is all, pure and simple. I own a Droid Incredible and I love it. it is the best phone I have ever owned. I can do so much on it, and yes it supports flash. But I love the android market, and they are adding apps in leaps and bounds like iTunes. But the truth is both products fill a need for me as a consumer. The constant bashing of all these other tablets comign to market at some point is crazy. They will offer somethign and if the consumer feels it fills thier needs they will buy it. But to just ditch them, becuase they are not a Apple product is very closed minded.

Not all that being said, I love the iPad, love constantly playing with it. adding more apps and playing games, and doing email on it. However it can't replace my laptop.

I think a 7" can have sucess, as it could fill a "need". That is really what it is all about.

My .02 worth. And this is just my opinion

Keep your rational opinion to yourself. This is a forum - where do you think you are?

 

[PCClone]

It will be very popular, android or chrome OS based tablets are coming and Apple is vulnerable unless they open up development more and until they develop a better, more interactive iOS interface. We've been living with the same dumb square icon baby interface for 3 years now, Google has caught up with Apple's multi-touch technology (it was revolutionary) but they are taking all other aspects of interactiveness with the OS to another level while Apple is apparently at a development standstill in this area.

Apple needs to:
Enable ALL Flash in iOS
Open development up (less restrictive)
Re-make the iOS interface (widgets etc, more interactiveness)
Develop 3 models of iPhones (can't compete with 20+ android models)
Develop 3 models of iPads (won't be able to compete with the android tabs coming
iPhones need to be sold at ALL wireless network providers

Unless they do ALL that they'll lose to Google like they lost to Microsoft in the mid 90's.

You failed at Flash.

 

[polbit]

So you're suggesting to the most profitable phone company (and largest tech by market cap) that their business model is flawed?

Ok. Let me try telling Exxon Mobil how to run the oil business.

Yeah, just like in the 90s when Microsoft was the monster, Apple almost gone, and anybody who questioned Microsoft's juggernaut philosophy was crazy, right? Oh, wait...

 

[kdarling]

Yes, and to me that is what turns Android's greatest strength (openness) and turns it into its greatest weakness: the cell phone companies are jumping onto Android in a big way because they can lock it down.

Customizing, locking down and so forth has nothing to do with whether an OS is open source or not. Carriers have been doing it for years with proprietary OS's. Even ATT keeps iOS locked to themselves, which goes against one normally major advantage of having a SIM based device.

I like the potential of Android. I hate what the cell providers are doing to it.

Agreed. Fortunately, they don't mess with all their Android phones.

 

[tablo13]

Apple needs to:
Enable ALL Flash in iOS

Unless they do ALL that they'll lose to Google like they lost to Microsoft in the mid 90's.

I really don't think flash would be necessary on iOS. It'd just slow it down.

 

[Apple...]

I really don't think flash would be necessary on iOS. It'd just slow it down.

Same here. In other news, Samsung is allegedly planning a 10" Galaxy Tab for next year's release: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/10-inch-galaxy-tab-promised-for-2011-by-samsung-ireland-general/

Thoughts?

 

[gunthermic]

Keep your rational opinion to yourself. This is a forum - where do you think you are?

Very well put. LOL

 

[dextertangocci]

Bring on the competition. In the end, it's better for the consumer. Will have my iPad over this thing any day though.

 

[pagansoul]

The Galaxy is over 1k by itself (going by the prices in Europe). It is cheaper when/if a phone company subs it with a 2 year plan. The ipad has the advantage of a pay as you go plan if you want to use the 3G. You are not tired to a contract. The Galaxy is also half the size of an ipad, half the weight. It's a larger size Galaxy phone.

 

[Bernard SG]

iPad will go practically competition-less for at least the 2 years to come.
It's not because Apple is great (though it actually is, somewhat) but more so because all the others are abysmal.
How is it conceivable that Samsung, who is a manufacturer of devices and components (including for Apple devices!!!) is unable to make a tablet at a competitive price tag vs. iPad?? It beats me.

 

[Graeme43]

lol they actually released this thing? its about half the size of the iPad! I thought they were just being sarcastic or something

The fact is their market is people who want an iPad but won't buy it because its an Apple product and why buy 2nd best cuz u got a grude with Apple lol

Same reason people buy Android phones, they know the iPhone is better but they think they are fighting "the big man"

 

[MRU]

Same here. In other news, Samsung is allegedly planning a 10" Galaxy Tab for next year's release: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/10-inch-galaxy-tab-promised-for-2011-by-samsung-ireland-general/

Thoughts?

Thoughts are if the 7" is already €700-800 and therefore over priced in comparison the iPad, how is a 10" ongoing to compete if it's more expensive still.

 

[Andrew K.]

You know this exact theory is what first made me look at my MacBook Pro. I was researching for a new computer and every review I read Computer X was trying to be better than an Apple.

Well, I said to myself,

"Self, if everyone is trying to be better than Apple, why not just buy the Apple."

Bought a MBP, and yup, far better than expected. I now swim in the Apple Kool-Aid.

Its another case of "To those who know, no explanation is needed, and to those who dont, no explanation is possible."

Haha nice

 

[ConceptVBS]

Galaxy Tab is a hybrid: between a smartphone and a tablet.

Its a new product category that the iPad doesnt really compete against.

Samsung will have a 10" full blown tablet coming out at 1st quarter next year. It will also have a higher resolution screen than the iPad as Android 3.0 requires a minumum display res of 1280 x 720.

Samsung will also have another tablet size coming. In short, Samsung will have 3 different tablet sizes on the market. These new tablets will most likely have Samsung's Orion Dual Core Cortex A9 ARM processors with 5x the graphics performance of the current Samsung Hummingbird Single Core Cortex A8 ARM processor.

Dont blow off the 7" screen tablet as more and more OEM's will be adopting this screen size. Samsung's market share leadership in LCD displays definitely has a effect on the standarization of this screen size.

 

[Apple...]

Galaxy Tab is a hybrid: between a smartphone and a tablet.

Its a new product category that the iPad doesnt really compete against.

Samsung will have a 10" full blown tablet coming out at 1st quarter next year. It will also have a higher resolution screen than the iPad as Android 3.0 requires a minumum display res of 1280 x 720.

Samsung will also have another tablet size coming. In short, Samsung will have 3 different tablet sizes on the market. These new tablets will most likely have Samsung's Orion Dual Core Cortex A9 ARM processors with 5x the graphics performance of the current Samsung Hummingbird Single Core Cortex A8 ARM processor.

Dont blow off the 7" screen tablet as more and more OEM's will be adopting this screen size. Samsung's market share leadership in LCD displays definitely has a effect on the standarization of this screen size.

Wait, wait. Where are you getting these "facts", fanboy?

 

[Covart]

Galaxy Tab is a hybrid: between a smartphone and a tablet.

Hybrid? It's not a hybrid, it IS a phone. Last time I checked, Android doesn't have an OS for a tablet. This is nothing more than a 7" god-ugly phone. Why do you think they are requiring contracts of 2 years? (I mean, besides the fact they have to be subsidized to even get someone to buy one.)

Samsung will have a 10" full blown tablet coming out at 1st quarter next year. It will also have a higher resolution screen than the iPad as Android 3.0 requires a minumum display res of 1280 x 720.

Samsung will also have another tablet size coming. In short, Samsung will have 3 different tablet sizes on the market. These new tablets will most likely have Samsung's Orion Dual Core Cortex A9 ARM processors with 5x the graphics performance of the current Samsung Hummingbird Single Core Cortex A8 ARM processor.

Samsung can't even give a release date for this thing in the U.S. yet, you somehow can tell us exactly what the company is going to do in Q1 of 2011?!? That's pretty funny. Complete B.S., but funny.

 

[dgree03]

Hybrid? It's not a hybrid, it IS a phone. Last time I checked, Android doesn't have an OS for a tablet. This is nothing more than a 7" god-ugly phone. Why do you think they are requiring contracts of 2 years? (I mean, besides the fact they have to be subsidized to even get someone to buy one.)


Samsung can't even give a release date for this thing in the U.S. yet, you somehow can tell us exactly what the company is going to do in Q1 of 2011?!? That's pretty funny. Complete B.S., but funny.

What are the differences between iOS for Iphone and Ipad?

So the Ipad is a phone too?

 

[Sydde]

What are the differences between iOS for Iphone and Ipad?

So the Ipad is a phone too?

What are you smoking? Android is specifically not a tablet OS, as compared ti iOS, which in v3.2 was specifically tailored to work with a tablet.

Oh, and you really ought to learn how to spell iPhone and iPad.

 

[jclardy]

Galaxy Tab is a hybrid: between a smartphone and a tablet.

Its a new product category that the iPad doesnt really compete against.

I disagree, as in the end the Tab is still in the same portability range as the iPad. You can't carry it in your pocket like a phone (Even though their promo video tries to say otherwise...) so you have to either carry it on its own or put it in another bag or backpack.

I can see people having a phone, tablet, and a laptop. But I have a hard time seeing normal people with a phone, 7" tablet, 10" tablet and a laptop.

 

[Apple...]

Yes, and to me that is what turns Android's greatest strength (openness) and turns it into its greatest weakness: the cell phone companies are jumping onto Android in a big way because they can lock it down. They control what you get and what you use and how you use it. They write custom UI skins and install unremovable junk ad apps and force you to use whatever search site has paid them money.

Google tried to do an end run around the cell service providers with their Nexus One approach. The cell companies killed it. They want to control their users, and once they found Android they realized that was the OS for them. They get it free, they lock it down, they own the user once again.

So all those people praising Android for its openness are not seeing the trap they are walking into. Oh, I know, the ubergeeks around here can root their phone no matter what, so they don't care. But I'm talking about the other 90% of the population (the ones who buy hundreds of millions of these phones) who will be trapped by Verizon or whoever, even as they imagine they are choosing the "open" phone. Sad.

I like the potential of Android. I hate what the cell providers are doing to it.

Bravo! Very well said, indeed.

 

[dgree03]

Yes, and to me that is what turns Android's greatest strength (openness) and turns it into its greatest weakness: the cell phone companies are jumping onto Android in a big way because they can lock it down. They control what you get and what you use and how you use it. They write custom UI skins and install unremovable junk ad apps and force you to use whatever search site has paid them money.

Google tried to do an end run around the cell service providers with their Nexus One approach. The cell companies killed it. They want to control their users, and once they found Android they realized that was the OS for them. They get it free, they lock it down, they own the user once again.

So all those people praising Android for its openness are not seeing the trap they are walking into. Oh, I know, the ubergeeks around here can root their phone no matter what, so they don't care. But I'm talking about the other 90% of the population (the ones who buy hundreds of millions of these phones) who will be trapped by Verizon or whoever, even as they imagine they are choosing the "open" phone. Sad.

I like the potential of Android. I hate what the cell providers are doing to it.

Well the people who actually care about androids openness, are the ubergeeks. So your point doesnt matter to the masses. The masses just wants a phone that works and looks good.

 

[ConceptVBS]

Yes, and to me that is what turns Android's greatest strength (openness) and turns it into its greatest weakness: the cell phone companies are jumping onto Android in a big way because they can lock it down. They control what you get and what you use and how you use it. They write custom UI skins and install unremovable junk ad apps and force you to use whatever search site has paid them money.

Google tried to do an end run around the cell service providers with their Nexus One approach. The cell companies killed it. They want to control their users, and once they found Android they realized that was the OS for them. They get it free, they lock it down, they own the user once again.

So all those people praising Android for its openness are not seeing the trap they are walking into. Oh, I know, the ubergeeks around here can root their phone no matter what, so they don't care. But I'm talking about the other 90% of the population (the ones who buy hundreds of millions of these phones) who will be trapped by Verizon or whoever, even as they imagine they are choosing the "open" phone. Sad.

I like the potential of Android. I hate what the cell providers are doing to it.

All the cons that you've mentioned have been sorted out by developers.

Android is "open" again.