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Do you mean some hypothetical wireless adapter? I'm not aware of one that exists that would allow for wireless transfer of uncompressed USB audio that will be synced to the video (eliminating the latency). As a matter of fact, Apple were struggling to implement lossless audio transfer in their AirPods AFAIK.

yes, a hypothetical future wireless adapter. and yes, there have been issues with AirPods because Bluetooth doesn't have enough bandwidth, iirc.

but check this out — high-speed wireless data transfer currently used internally by Apple on Apple Watch: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/15/apple-watch-series-7-internal-dock-images/
 
Oh? That doesn't really make any sense since their computers all have USB-C ports on them now.

Anyhow, the truth is the industry has switched to this new standard, and eventually everything will use that kind of port, along with USB 3 and eventually USB 4, etc. Presently incompatible devices, such as scanners and wireless keyboards and mice will all be updated to work flawlessly with it, as they have in the past. And either Apple will comply with this or they will be sidelined as it becomes impossible to use ANY non-Apple device with their products.
And EU is going to force every accessory such as keyboards, mouse, headphones etc to be charged by a common usb c port so it is quite bizarre by apple
 
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I think I agreed that wireless charging saves cables, for obvious reasons , at the expense of efficiency.

I use my usb c devices much less than my iPhones.

Lightning doesn’t have a higher failure rate, unless it’s your anecdotal observation.
Does it matter? Considering lighting is stuck at USB 2.0 speeds?

Do we have any data to support any relevant quality difference between USB c and lighting durability?

Lightning have arching problem that can burn pins
usb c standard is allegedly less water proof but nothing stops it from being better by apple with simple engineering.
 
To a point (only so many times), then the contacts wear out and it's toast. (unfortunately they're really thin)

I never got anything like that, certainly nothing that would fit on a keychain.
Well yes you did
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Does it matter? Considering lighting is stuck at USB 2.0 speeds?

Do we have any data to support any relevant quality difference between USB c and lighting durability?

Lightning have arching problem that can burn pins
usb c standard is allegedly less water proof but nothing stops it from being better by apple with simple engineering.
Lightning cables work fine for my usages. I don't know of any relevant quality difference between lightning and usb except the lightning connect seems sturdier (to me, imo) I've seen the arching usually happens when the connector is in a damp environment with power always on. Isopropyl works wonders.
 
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Pulling cables and wires by the cord rather than the connector is not normal use.
While I agree with most of what @I7guy posted, I have to take issue with that statement. While always advisable to use the connector to remove a plug from its socket, the Lightning connector is less than easily “grabbable“ by my fat fingers so yanking it out by the cord is the de facto approach. This is also true for most electrical appliances, lamps, and other corded devices where there is always a caution to use the connector to disconnect and NOT yank the cord, but then the connector is always made in such as way as to discourage doing that…at least for me. The one rather incredible exception is the line of Breville appliances where the connectors are actually designed and made to be used by humans. This is a tad large for an iPhone charging cable end, but the concept is brilliant. I have some Anker cables where at least the connectors have ridges making them easier to both grab and pull. Apple’s overarching design aesthetic precludes attempts at function over form, so yeah, pulling on the cable is indeed “normal use.”
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That's a SIM tool, not a degunker.
It’s a perfect degunker, perfect size and shape to meticulously remove gunk from the lightning port. Tools can have dual purposes.

Lightning cables work fine for my usages. I don't know of any relevant quality difference between lightning and usb except the lightning connect seems sturdier (to me, imo) I've seen the arching usually happens when the connector is in a damp environment with power always on. Isopropyl works wonders.
Well it works fine, but not good when phones starts increasing in size of 200-500Gb or even 1Tb now with photos and videos of entire semesters being transferred in ultra crisp but slow rates. It takes quite a while to transfer such data or to sync it up with the computer. Otherwise why give the IPad Pro USB 4 speeds instead of 2.0?

To me they seem to be equal in quality, only Apple Originals have a tendency to fray irrespective of port type.

And honestly everything is moving to usb c, it would be great if apple could finally move everything over to usb c as well as long as they have a physical port or give us a great smart connector instead
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If Apple is serious about the environment then the main reason not to go 100% wireless is the loss of energy while charging wirelessly. Unless somebody invents a way to come close to the efficiency of wired energy transfer, pure wireless should be a big no.
Apple is serious about the environment, at least about trashing it by unnecessarily depleting resources via planned obsolescence and only providing lip service about recycling when in reality most iPhones end up polluting landfills.
 
Apple is serious about the environment, at least about trashing it by unnecessarily depleting resources via planned obsolescence
Yes, that is why the 5s is still getting updates.
and only providing lip service about recycling
There is no lip service. One can get an iPhone recycle through apple.
when in reality most iPhones end up polluting landfills.
You gonna blame Apple because consumers throw iPhones in the trash?
 
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There are now rumors that the iPhone 14 Pro will be USB-C?? :D
I guess anything can happen during this early rumor months.
 
To a point (only so many times), then the contacts wear out and it's toast. (unfortunately they're really thin)

I've never had any issues over the years despite many cleanings. If you need to clean the port so often that it's wearing out the contacts, perhaps you have overly "linty" pockets?

I never got anything like that, certainly nothing that would fit on a keychain.

Hmm, as far as I know they still come with all new iPhones. It looks like this:

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(Not a joke, by the way, this is actually what the Apple Store techs use themselves to clean it out if you show up with a gunked-up lightning port!)
 
I've never had any issues over the years despite many cleanings.
I've had about 4 iPads die eventually because of a bad port.

If you need to clean the port so often that it's wearing out the contacts, perhaps you have overly "linty" pockets?
I make sure my family always has working iPads, hence the large number. As far as I know, nobody ever puts one in a pocket though -- it seems to be normal wear and tear around here. I live in a fairly humid climate and there's no way I'm going to tell them they have to wear particular clothes to use their iPads. :)

Hmm, as far as I know they still come with all new iPhones. It looks like this:
That's a sim tool, not a dedicated de-gunker. It's really too small for me to use as a degunker, I don't have the finger dexterity for it, and I'd prefer something a bit less metallic. I have all sorts of plastic tools that I use, and a few metal ones that I have to be careful with.
 
Hmm, as far as I know they still come with all new iPhones. It looks like this:

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(Not a joke, by the way, this is actually what the Apple Store techs use themselves to clean it out if you show up with a gunked-up lightning port!)
My iPhone7 started getting a weak charging connection, kept flickering the battery icon on and off. I took it to my AT&T Store (company store, not a franchise). First thing they did was clean out the Lightning port. What did they use to do this? The sharp pointed end of an open safety pin. Worked great, and I’ve done it several times since. I think the flimsy contacts inside the port may be less flimsy than expected. But the port is indeed a dust and dirt magnet.
 
There is no lip service. One can get an iPhone recycle through apple.

You gonna blame Apple because consumers throw iPhones in the trash?
yes, it's apple's fault for almost taking as much money as a new iPhone when you repair it.
It's apple's fault for stopping third parties from being able to provide quality repair service for a smaller price.
It's apple's fault for encouraging you to send it to apple instead of using a local repair shop etc etc

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im sorry but, when the port is damaged, or i need to replace some small chip in teh iphone costing 5$ and perhaps 50$ in labour, asking 600$ is not a sane price to discourage throwing it away.
 
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yes, it's apple's fault for almost taking as much money as a new iPhone when you repair it.
It's apple's fault for stopping third parties from being able to provide quality repair service for a smaller price.
It's apple's fault for encouraging you to send it to apple instead of using a local repair shop etc etc

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im sorry but, when the port is damaged, or i need to replace some small chip in teh iphone costing 5$ and perhaps 50$ in labour, asking 600$ is not a sane price to discourage throwing it away.
You may not like Apple's repair policy, which is a different topic. However the right to repair is being addressed by Apple as I understand it, but that has no bearing about consumers thrown electronic devices in the landfill. Apple, as I understand it, doesn't throw electronic components in the landfill, so they must be originating from consumers.
 
You may not like Apple's repair policy, which is a different topic. However the right to repair is being addressed by Apple as I understand it, but that has no bearing about consumers thrown electronic devices in the landfill. Apple, as I understand it, doesn't throw electronic components in the landfill, so they must be originating from consumers.
Apple is the source of this electronic waste. Apple with their policies encourage e-waste by consumers buying their products.
If i have an iPhone 8 plus with a busted charging port and it costs me 400$ to fix at apple, half the price of it as new, its very likely it will be put in the trash and replaced with a new device.

But an independent can repair it for 65$ by sourcing replacement parts and schematics illegally because apple don't provide this publicaly.
 
Apple is the source of this electronic waste. Apple with their policies encourage e-waste by consumers buying their products.
If i have an iPhone 8 plus with a busted charging port and it costs me 400$ to fix at apple, half the price of it as new, its very likely it will be put in the trash and replaced with a new device.

But an independent can repair it for 65$ by sourcing replacement parts and schematics illegally because apple don't provide this publicaly.
I'm with you. Hypothetically, if a consumer throws away a Samsung TV in the landfill Samsung is the source of this electronic waste. Can't really disagree with that, except to say, that neither Apple (nor Samsung) threw the device into the landfill. If you throw away your iphone 8 plus into the trash, you are the one polluting the environment, not Apple. The device could be sent to Apple for recycle, but you chose not to.
 
This is an excellent analysis, and many of the comments make great points, too. As much as some might think a portless iPhone would be a terrific thing, there are simply too many accessories/peripherals that wouldn't be able to interface with it if Apple ditched some kind of physical connection. Like @CyberGene pointed out, the importance of the physical data connection for musicians can't be understated, and there are tons of music creators using their iPhones. Bluetooth has too much latency/lag for most live performance or recording applications.
Totally agree on the musician side, Bluetooth latency makes it unusable. There have been rumours around that Apple might look at audio over their custom U1 UWB chip, which would also let them stream the Lossless audio files they have now converted Apple Music to stream. Bluetooth is unable to handle the bandwidth.
 
I'm with you. Hypothetically, if a consumer throws away a Samsung TV in the landfill Samsung is the source of this electronic waste. Can't really disagree with that, except to say, that neither Apple (nor Samsung) threw the device into the landfill. If you throw away your iphone 8 plus into the trash, you are the one polluting the environment, not Apple. The device could be sent to Apple for recycle, but you chose not to.
it's still practically the same results. The consumer ends up buying a new device instead of repairing it because the manufacturer limits the ability to repair the device.

And fortunately, Samsung (or other TV manufacturer) doesn't prevent anyone from buying spare parts or schematics to repair their TVs, but Apples unfortunately actively does it.

I have been able to extend my iPhones 8 lifespan by cheaply replacing the battery once, screen once, backside twice, GPS module once. And every time just for 30$ dollars plus spare part price for close to nothing compared to Apple and partners official prices.
 
it's still practically the same results. The consumer ends up buying a new device instead of repairing it because the manufacturer limits the ability to repair the device.
You can get the device repaired by the manufacturer.
And fortunately, Samsung (or other TV manufacturer) doesn't prevent anyone from buying spare parts or schematics to repair their TVs, but Apples unfortunately actively does it.
There also is not a network of Samsung repair centers, at least where I live. Zo someone has to repair TVs.
I have been able to extend my iPhones 8 lifespan by cheaply replacing the battery once, screen once, backside twice, GPS module once. And every time just for 30$ dollars plus spare part price for close to nothing compared to Apple and partners official prices.
So your phone is repairable contrary to your original premise. Be that as it may, the only repairs on my iPhones have been batteries…of which I only paid apple for once in 12 years.
 
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