iPhone 11 Pro The iPhone is an amazing device that works great but looks outdated

[compwiz1202]

The Samsung's are not really any cheaper. I have to ask though, why didn't you just buy a Samsung phone? It's clearly what you want.

Yes I don't understand that point either. Ultra is $300 more than Pro Max. It's almost freaking $60/mo with 24 installments. And if it still sells well, I worried that Apple will just follow suit. How soon until the top model with top capacity breaks $2k?!
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I was amazed how far behind America, Australia and New Zealand are behind Europe and Asia in terms of banking. It was still common to swipe a card and sign a receipt many years after chip and pin became standard practise in most other countries.

If you don’t carry your phone with you daily when in shops, cafes etc then Apple Pay would be useless for you. You recently said you had an Apple Watch though, so wouldn’t that be even more convenient as it’s on your wrist anyway? Even sliding a phone out of my pocket was quicker than fumbling into my back pocket and getting a card out. I like the fact it speeds up quick small purchases with no hanging around.

Agree, there are places in the US that still don't have chip readers working, even though they have to eat all fraud for years. And some are still the ultimate cash only cavemen. And why can't we at least have a choice of chip and PIN? I don't understand how people can think four numbers is less convenient than signing???

 

[_karrol]

Yes I don't understand that point either. Ultra is $300 more than Pro Max. It's almost freaking $60/mo with 24 installments. And if it still sells well, I worried that Apple will just follow suit. How soon until the top model with top capacity breaks $2k?!

IMHO, we should be comparing Pro with the S20 and Pro Max with the S20+. Samsungs are still cheaper and S20 Ultra is something that Apple currently doesn't have a response to.

 

[oVerboost]

IMHO, we should be comparing Pro with the S20 and Pro Max with the S20+. Samsungs are still cheaper and S20 Ultra is something that Apple currently doesn't have a response to.

You’ve just quoted someone telling you the prices and then claimed the Samsung’s are cheaper... they aren’t.

Apple will have an answer, in September, and it will sell no doubt immensely well.

Most people want a phone to function as a phone, with a nice display, good battery life and be long lasting... Apple provide all of that, compared to the masses the people who buy based on specs are a very small number.

Currently there are endless camera comparison videos on YouTube, and a good few reviews, all being compared to the iPhones. As soon as the hype dies down, the S20 will be yesterday’s news and the iPhone Pro range will still sell well until the new range is released later this year.

Regarding your previous reply, re: screen to body ratio - the Pro range have almost no bezel, are you genuinely saying a mm or two is going to matter? What about when using the phone, there is a reason the screens no longer curve around the edges of Samsung phones, it’s because you’d have to use a case to stop accidental touches etc.

The very small bezels on the iPhones I find actually useful. In fact I actually prefer phones with bezels for that reason, you have somewhere to rest your thumb(s) rather than balancing the phone in your palm or making accidental presses on the screen.

And I know you’ve said that the warranty aspect isn’t important because you’ve not needed to use it, but that one day when you do, it will prove invaluable, regardless of your phone choice, just make sure the warranty is global and hassle free from your point of view as it can easily ruin a holiday in an instant.

 

[_karrol]

As soon as the hype dies down, the S20 will be yesterday’s news and the iPhone Pro range will still sell well until the new range is released later this year.

Regarding your previous reply, re: screen to body ratio - the Pro range have almost no bezel, are you genuinely saying a mm or two is going to matter? What about when using the phone, there is a reason the screens no longer curve around the edges of Samsung phones, it’s because you’d have to use a case to stop accidental touches etc.

The very small bezels on the iPhones I find actually useful. In fact I actually prefer phones with bezels for that reason, you have somewhere to rest your thumb(s) rather than balancing the phone in your palm or making accidental presses on the screen.

And I know you’ve said that the warranty aspect isn’t important because you’ve not needed to use it, but that one day when you do, it will prove invaluable, regardless of your phone choice, just make sure the warranty is global and hassle free from your point of view as it can easily ruin a holiday in an instant.

Are you genuinely telling me I cannot have my opinion? To me the bezel on the iPhone is way more visible than S20, that's it. If I look at the iPhone holding it in my hand, I don't mind it, but if I compare both phones next to each other, then the difference is clearly visible to me and this is all I am talking about. If you're satisfied with how your iPhone looks, then great, but live and let others live and do not require them to accept your views on something so objectively unimportant as design of a smartphone. Eot.


Re prices on S20: if you read my post with understanding, you'd see my point. I compared S20 to Pro and S20+ to Pro Max and in this case Samsungs ARE cheaper. Comparing the Ultra to any of the iPhones doesn't make any sense to me at this point. As you said - Apple will possibly have a response to the Ultra (only) in the autumn. I know it's an Apple-fans forum, but some objectivity wouldn't be bad.

EDIT: Now I see why we are arguing about the prices. Contrary to the US, in Europe the Galaxy S line is clearly cheaper than iPhones, see comments below.

 

[Shanghaichica]

You’ve just quoted someone telling you the prices and then claimed the Samsung’s are cheaper... they aren’t.

Apple will have an answer, in September, and it will sell no doubt immensely well.

Most people want a phone to function as a phone, with a nice display, good battery life and be long lasting... Apple provide all of that, compared to the masses the people who buy based on specs are a very small number.

Currently there are endless camera comparison videos on YouTube, and a good few reviews, all being compared to the iPhones. As soon as the hype dies down, the S20 will be yesterday’s news and the iPhone Pro range will still sell well until the new range is released later this year.

Regarding your previous reply, re: screen to body ratio - the Pro range have almost no bezel, are you genuinely saying a mm or two is going to matter? What about when using the phone, there is a reason the screens no longer curve around the edges of Samsung phones, it’s because you’d have to use a case to stop accidental touches etc.

The very small bezels on the iPhones I find actually useful. In fact I actually prefer phones with bezels for that reason, you have somewhere to rest your thumb(s) rather than balancing the phone in your palm or making accidental presses on the screen.

And I know you’ve said that the warranty aspect isn’t important because you’ve not needed to use it, but that one day when you do, it will prove invaluable, regardless of your phone choice, just make sure the warranty is global and hassle free from your point of view as it can easily ruin a holiday in an instant.

Regarding the price of the samsung phones it all depends on what country you are in. In many European countries the Samsung phones are cheaper than the iPhone.

Also I’m sure that come September when the new iPhones come out they will be more expensive than these Samsung phones even in the US. We’ve already been warned by Ming Chi Kuo that the addition of 5G will increase the price of the 2020 iphone line up.

 

[bobsamm]

Looks better than the new Samsungs.

Samsung just copy Apple anyway, look at the s10 and s20 camera’s lol.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Are you genuinely telling me I cannot have my opinion? To me the bezel on the iPhone is way more visible than S20, that's it. If I look at the iPhone holding it in my hand, I don't mind it, but if I compare both phones next to each other, then the difference is clearly visible to me and this is all I am talking about. If you're satisfied with how your iPhone looks, then great, but live and let others live and not require them to accept your views on something so objectively unimportant as design of a smartphone. Eot.


Re prices on S20: if you read my post with understanding, you'd see my point. I compared S20 to Pro and S20+ to Pro Max and in this case Samsungs ARE cheaper. Comparing the Ultra to any of the iPhones doesn't make any sense to me at this point. As you said - Apple will possibly have a response to the Ultra (only) in the autumn. I know it's an Apple-fans forum, but some objectivity wouldn't be bad.

I‘m quite certain that the rumoured 5.7 inch successor to the 11 pro max will cost more than the ultra when it comes out in September. At the moment in the UK the 64GB iPhone 11 Pro Max costs £1,150. The 128gb ultra costs £1,199 which is only £50 more but has double the storage. The top tier iPhone 11 Pro Max with 512GB storage costs £1,499 and the 512GB ultra costs £1,399 which is £100 cheaper than the top end iphone.
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Looks better than the new Samsungs.

Samsung just copy Apple anyway, look at the s10 and s20 camera’s lol.

Can you tell me where the 100x zoom is on my 11 pro max and my 8K video recording is? or my depth Sensor?

And if we are talking about the layout of the camera. Huawei did it back in 2018 before Samsung or Apple.

 

[_karrol]

I‘m quite certain that the rumoured 5.7 inch successor to the 11 pro max will cost more than the ultra when it comes out in September. At the moment in the UK the 64GB iPhone 11 Pro Max costs £1,150. The 128gb ultra costs £1,199 which is only £50 more but has double the storage. The top tier iPhone 11 Pro Max with 512GB storage costs £1,499 and the 512GB ultra costs £1,399 which is £100 cheaper than the top end iphone.

Oh yeah, about 6.7 inch iPhone I'm also worried that it will surpass the Ultra.

For now my point of reference is the price of the S20+ 128GB 5G (€1099 in Austria) vs. Pro Max 64GB (€1249), because these are the models I'd consider if I were to get a new phone now.

But of course I understand the point of the guys from the US, there the Samsungs might be in the same price league.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Oh yeah, about 6.7 inch iPhone I'm also worried that it will surpass the Ultra.

For now my point of reference is the price of the S20+ 128GB 5G (€1099 in Austria) vs. Pro Max 64GB (€1249), because these are the models I'd consider if I were to get a new phone now.

But of course I understand the point of the guys from the US, there the Samsungs might be in the same price league.

Even for me I paid £1,300 for my 256GB 11 pro max. If I were to get one of these new samsung phones I could pay £1,199 for the 128GB ultra and then add and SD card and it would still be cheaper than the 11 pro max. You can get a high quality micro SD card with a lot of storage for £30 but I already have several at home so I wouldn’t even need to buy one.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Regarding the price of the samsung phones it all depends on what country you are in. In many European countries the Samsung phones are cheaper than the iPhone.

Also I’m sure that come September when the new iPhones come out they will be more expensive than these Samsung phones even in the US. We’ve already been warned by Ming Chi Kuo that the addition of 5G will increase the price of the 2020 iphone line up.

Not to mention Samsung’s tend to launch at high prices but very quick reduce in price with more attractive offers over the following months. The iPhone holds its price pretty much for the entire year but Samsung’s tends to depreciate and retailers have more flexibility on price.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Looks better than the new Samsungs.

Samsung just copy Apple anyway, look at the s10 and s20 camera’s lol.

There is nothing unique aesthetically on the current iPhones that wasn’t already done by android manufacturers. The camera layout, the notch etc were done by others. Apple is rarely first, but often does it better. All these companies copy each other, including Apple.

 

[_karrol]

Even for me I paid £1,300 for my 256GB 11 pro max. If I were to get one of these new samsung phones I could pay £1,199 for the 128GB ultra and then add and SD card and it would still be cheaper than the 11 pro max. You can get a high quality micro SD card with a lot of storage for £30 but I already have several at home so I wouldn’t even need to buy one.

Yeah, this is another thing to consider. On one hand I love the hassle-free iCloud Photo Library experience with all my pictures from the iPhone available on my Mac almost in real time. On the other, I might as well just save pictures to the SD card and then just transfer them to my computer in few instants. Definitely a thing to consider when upgrading.


The pricing policy of Samsung is interesting. Has it always been this way with the difference between the US and Europe? Does it mean that the Galaxy S line has a better image and is easier to sell in the US than in Europe and can be priced at the same level as iPhones?

 

[bobsamm]

Even for me I paid £1,300 for my 256GB 11 pro max. If I were to get one of these new samsung phones I could pay £1,199 for the 128GB ultra and then add and SD card and it would still be cheaper than the 11 pro max. You can get a high quality micro SD card with a lot of storage for £30 but I already have several at home so I wouldn’t even need to buy one.

so you doing it?

 

[MartyvH]

I am resolutely sticking with iPhone, it is the superior platform, but I have noticed myself for a few years that the thread title is true. I can't argue. Even the 11 and 11 Pros. When you look at every other phone brand, except Sony which is also outdated. Apple has lost in physical design since 2016. There are very good functional reasons for that, but it is well and truly time for iPhone to fight back this September with new and slick looks.

 

[Applefan4]

Samsung trolls are really out and about these days. Phone sales slower than usual?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Samsung trolls are really out and about these days. Phone sales slower than usual?

I don’t think the OP is one of those, I just think any thread topic will do.

 

[The Game 161]

Not to mention Samsung’s tend to launch at high prices but very quick reduce in price with more attractive offers over the following months. The iPhone holds its price pretty much for the entire year but Samsung’s tends to depreciate and retailers have more flexibility on price.

well yeah and in the US most get massive trade in deals straight away while ore ordering so it's not the current price...what is crazy though even with the trade ins and lower price Samsung still can't get a high amount of people to buy them...you only have to look at the most sold phones for 2019. the s10 and note 10 weren't even on the rankings....

samsung as good as their phones are can not price them with the iPhones if they want them to sell.

 

[dogg]

I think all phones are very similar these days. The Sammy S20 is a nice phone with great specs on paper but are the specs for specs sake and in real day to day usage would you notice them after the novelty wears off. I don't think there is areal difference except the OS which is a personal preference. My own personal preference is still IOS. i have tried Android several times over the years but always come back to IOS.

 

[tranceking26]

delete Macrumors, and never look back!

But where would he get his relationship advice from?

 

[rui no onna]

The pricing policy of Samsung is interesting. Has it always been this way with the difference between the US and Europe? Does it mean that the Galaxy S line has a better image and is easier to sell in the US than in Europe and can be priced at the same level as iPhones?

I don't think so. My thrifty co-worker always gets the Samsung Galaxy S because there's usually very good promos on it (often free on contract).

If you check out unlocked Samsung phones on Amazon, etc, they're usually discounted a few months after release.

Meanwhile, pretty much the only time unlocked iPhones get a discount is during the holidays or when a new one is released.

 

[UBS28]

Looks better than the new Samsungs.

Samsung just copy Apple anyway, look at the s10 and s20 camera’s lol.

Apple copies Android phones. That is how they came up with the design of the iPhone X, XS and 11 Pro. The only thing they “invented“ was the notch.

Apple does not innovate anymore, you have to look at companies like Samsung who do the real innovation in this market.

 

[Abazigal]

Yes I don't understand that point either. Ultra is $300 more than Pro Max. It's almost freaking $60/mo with 24 installments. And if it still sells well, I worried that Apple will just follow suit. How soon until the top model with top capacity breaks $2k?!

Well, if it makes you feel any better...

Initial sales of Galaxy S20 series downbeat amid virus fears

Initial sales of Galaxy S20 series downbeat amid virus fears

Sales of Samsung Electronics Co.'s Galaxy S20 smartphones were lackluster on their first day, 50 percent lower than their predecessors, amid the spreading coron

www.koreaherald.com

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Apple copies Android phones. That is how they came up with the design of the iPhone X, XS and 11 Pro. The only thing they “invented“ was the notch.

They didn’t even invent that. The LG V10 had a notch and so did the Essential phone before the iPhone X was released.

 

[Sir Ruben]

This post is hilarious. The iPhone looks dated because?...Because Samsung and Motorola have brought back flip phones (an old design in itself) with foldable screens that serve no purpose and break easily? The S20 looks like a regular phone too doesn't it? Feature wise that continues to increase every year and samsung have been known for trying to jump way ahead with half baked tech that ultimately nobody ends up wanting.

No, I am absolutely good with my iPhone and judging by the sheer amount of people I see every day with one, I think they are too.

I shouldn't of replied because this feels like a post designed to troll/trigger but it was just too poorly thought out and lacking in substance not too.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Can smartphones look amazing these days when the form factor is so mature? Tens of millions of people own these phones, it’s not like it’s a unique piece of design that will turn heads is it? I think people put far too much emphasis of these devices when the important thing is whether you feel comfortable with your purchase and are happy with everything it does.