iPhone 11 Pro The iPhone is an amazing device that works great but looks outdated

[ian87w]

And yet if Apple came out with a flip iPhone 11 Pro Max tomorrow this entire forum would be lit with comments of how magical a folding glass screen is smh

Gotta give credit where credit is due

I gave credit for the Galaxy Z flip compared to the RAZR. It is THE better flip phone.

But as a smartphone by itself? Nope. I'm not paying $1400 for last year's chip and fragile screen, where Samsung itself offers a better phone for less, the Galaxy S20.

Nothing to do with Apple, but you are welcome to continue you train of Apple bashing. Just count me out.

 

[Act3]

You really don't deserve to own an iPhone 11 Pro Max if you feel that a Samsung piece of utter rubbish is a better device.
Do you realise that SAMDUNG release half baked products onto the market for their ignorant users to test?

I'm sorry but you don't deserve to own an Apple product with your attitude. Return it and go over to the Samdung camp.
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I travel for a living and I use Apple Pay every day. Security wise and ease of use - it's incredible. The fact that it gives a once only unique number upon transaction rather than giving your card details is what makes Apple Pay the perfect payment method of today and the future.

do you realize that samsung makes about 90% of those OLED screens that go in the 11 pro? Yes that utter rubbish you mention. staring at it every time you use your phone.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

whatever
i dont use Apple Pay and am proud. some what.

you guys must work for apple... go apple

I would imagine every single one of us works for Apple and only post here to promote them. Those who own iPhones but don’t use Apple Pay are clearly working for Samsung lol.

 

[kamikazeeMC]

I even changed my bank as they refused to adopt Apple Pay (they went as far as releasing wearables..), but now I don't even bring my wallet with me when going out.

 

[nill1234]

I used google pay and now apple pay with my AW its so convenient. I just have to carry my Phone or AW and get some grocery after a sport session.
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I used google pay and now apple pay with my AW its so convenient. I just have to carry my Phone or AW and get some grocery after a sport session without carry my wallet.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Apple Pay is very common in the UK and the the parts of Europe I’ve visited. I use it at least twice a day and it’s rare you’ll go to the supermarket, petrol station, cafe, pub, corner shop, or anywhere with a contactless terminal and not see it being used. Using a mobile payment now is about as common as using a debit card. If you out on a night out now all the pubs and bars seem to advertise Apple Pay and Android Pay which is very convenient but also dangerous after a few drinks.

I use it all the time. It’s rare that you find a place that doesn’t accept contactless payments and therefore Apple Pay. The company I work for like to send us to little villages in the middle of nowhere for training. I always forget to take cash with me because I’ve been cashless for years now. However even in these small villages there are places you can use Apple Pay, like the small village shop, the restaurants and even to pay for a taxi to the train station.

 

[aue123]

i use apple pay because it gives me 2% cash back on my apple card 🤷‍♂️

 

[Shanghaichica]

Depends who you ask. Using Apple Pay for me is far more important than the phones pixel count, and it’s an immensely useful feature. If the display was the most important thing then everybody would be buying a phone with the best screen.

I do like a good display but it’s more important for me to have a phone that supports a smart watch that I can use to make mobile payments. I hate carrying money on me and even going to a cash point is a rare annoyance for me. So the Apple Watch and Apple Pay with it is very important for me.
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I used google pay and now apple pay with my AW its so convenient. I just have to carry my Phone or AW and get some grocery after a sport session.
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I used google pay and now apple pay with my AW its so convenient. I just have to carry my Phone or AW and get some grocery after a sport session without carry my wallet.

Best thing is that you don’t even need your phone. You can leave your phone at home and just go out with your watch and run out and buy whatever you need.

 

[Shanghaichica]

The iPhone has a notch because of the sophisticated array of sensors required for Face ID. Those android phones that have hole punches or pop up cameras are using a less secure version of facial recognition.

Look at the Huwawei Mate 20 and 30. They have a similar facial recognition System to Apple and those phones have notches. The pixel 4 also has a similar facial recognition system. It doesn’t have a notch but it has quite a large bezel at the top of the phone to accommodate all the sensors.

It comes down to what biometric security system the phone has. If it’s a secure form of Face ID it needs to have a notch or larger bezel to accommodate all the sensors. If the phone uses a fingerprint sensor, in display or elsewhere it can have a small pinhole for the front facing camera. The current technology doesn’t allow for all the sensors to be placed under the display yet.
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Do they though? Not every phone does all screen display properly. Apples only “issue” is the notch, but otherwise the design is pretty modern.

multiple cameras, edge to edge (with no chin!), one of the best quality OLED displays, steel and glass....

I don’t see how it looks outdated. It still looks newer than most phones

just because Apple was ahead of the design curve 2 years ago doesn’t make it suddenly outdated.

I don’t see how Apple were ahead of the design curve when the X came out. The S8 already had an edge to edge display and it came out 6 months before. Anyhow I do agree that it’s design isn’t outdated.

 

[D.T.]

I would imagine every single one of us works for Apple and only post here to promote them.

That's ridiculous ...


Shhh, you know the rules, we can't anger our lord and master Apple, and you definitely don't want to get called in for a "genius appointment" ...

 

[alamagator]

You do you, Sunshine!

 

[Bandaman]

Maybe it’s me but a notch or a hole it’s still a notch of some kind. Until we get notchless displays it’s all moot

The Pixel 4 doesn’t have any notches.

 

[Shanghaichica]

The Pixel 4 doesn’t have any notches.

It has a larger bezel at the top.

 

[bobsamm]

I use it all the time. It’s rare that you find a place that doesn’t accept contactless payments and therefore Apple Pay. The company I work for like to send us to little villages in the middle of nowhere for training. I always forget to take cash with me because I’ve been cashless for years now. However even in these small villages there are places you can use Apple Pay, like the small village shop, the restaurants and even to pay for a taxi to the train station.

You've never been to NZ then, plenty shops don't even have payWave, still have to insert your card.
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Much easier to pull a card out of my thin wallet than lug my phone into a shop and have to deal with fid, and only works under $100 anyway.

 

[Bandaman]

It has a larger bezel at the top.

With no notches interfering with screen content.

 

[macintoshmac]

No physical volume or On/ off switch. Everything is digital

You really have not thought this through well enough.

 

[timbol]

outdated, lol yea ok sure

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You've never been to NZ then, plenty shops don't even have payWave, still have to insert your card.
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Much easier to pull a card out of my thin wallet than lug my phone into a shop and have to deal with fid, and only works under $100 anyway.

I was amazed how far behind America, Australia and New Zealand are behind Europe and Asia in terms of banking. It was still common to swipe a card and sign a receipt many years after chip and pin became standard practise in most other countries.

If you don’t carry your phone with you daily when in shops, cafes etc then Apple Pay would be useless for you. You recently said you had an Apple Watch though, so wouldn’t that be even more convenient as it’s on your wrist anyway? Even sliding a phone out of my pocket was quicker than fumbling into my back pocket and getting a card out. I like the fact it speeds up quick small purchases with no hanging around.

 

[bobsamm]

I was amazed how far behind America, Australia and New Zealand are behind Europe and Asia in terms of banking. It was still common to swipe a card and sign a receipt many years after chip and pin became standard practise in most other countries.

If you don’t carry your phone with you daily when in shops, cafes etc then Apple Pay would be useless for you. You recently said you had an Apple Watch though, so wouldn’t that be even more convenient as it’s on your wrist anyway? Even sliding a phone out of my pocket was quicker than fumbling into my back pocket and getting a card out. I like the fact it speeds up quick small purchases with no hanging around.

Funny you say that, i got a Nike S5 but returned, i found after having cellular S4 the non cellular wasn't as good, even around outside our house was missing calls etc, and the connect to wifi thing was too far away.
I just bought a 5 week old S5 cellular today for $250 off retail with a $95 Catalyst waterproof case thrown in, so will see how it goes with Apple pay, can still only do up to $100 here, today i paid $500 for something so still needed a card.

It's only $5 a month here for cellular.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I was amazed how far behind America, Australia and New Zealand are behind Europe and Asia in terms of banking. It was still common to swipe a card and sign a receipt many years after chip and pin became standard practise in most other countries.

If you don’t carry your phone with you daily when in shops, cafes etc then Apple Pay would be useless for you. You recently said you had an Apple Watch though, so wouldn’t that be even more convenient as it’s on your wrist anyway? Even sliding a phone out of my pocket was quicker than fumbling into my back pocket and getting a card out. I like the fact it speeds up quick small purchases with no hanging around.

The watch is the way to go for me. My handbag had all sorts of stuff in there and finding anything like my purse or even my phone usually requires taking out several other things before I find what I’m looking for. With my watch I can bypass all of that. It saves a lot of time. My watch was actually a life saver back when I’d have a changing bag, my own handbag and a pushchair to contend with at the checkout. No wondering which bag my purse was in.

 

[_karrol]

So last week I visited one store to take a look at the Galaxy S20 and Galaxy Z Flip and I really do hope Apple will progress significantly with the design this year.

The Z Flip is of course impressive, but still not a device I would get myself at this point, but the S20 line makes the X/11 line iPhones look pretty dated. If S20 Ultra is a bit ott to me, the S20+ really hits the sweet spot and undercuts the 11 Pro Max with price (around 150 euros where I live and S20 has 5G - already available in Austria). I really started to consider moving away from iPhone for a while 🤣 I will resist until the autumn to see the new iPhones (and also the Galaxy Note), but the temptation has never been stronger tbh.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Funny you say that, i got a Nike S5 but returned, i found after having cellular S4 the non cellular wasn't as good, even around outside our house was missing calls etc, and the connect to wifi thing was too far away.
I just bought a 5 week old S5 cellular today for $250 off retail with a $95 Catalyst waterproof case thrown in, so will see how it goes with Apple pay, can still only do up to $100 here, today i paid $500 for something so still needed a card.

It's only $5 a month here for cellular.

One thing I avoid as much as I can is answering calls on my watch lol. I do it from time to time but I find it awkward talking to my wrist and hearing what the other person is saying. The cellular watch wasn’t much more than the non-cellular here and I think the tariff is only £5 more a month. Not much use to me personally though. I think you’ll find Apple Pay is very convenient for fast purchases and especially if you have a watch.

 

[Shanghaichica]

One thing I avoid as much as I can is answering calls on my watch lol. I do it from time to time but I find it awkward talking to my wrist and hearing what the other person is saying. The cellular watch wasn’t much more than the non-cellular here and I think the tariff is only £5 more a month. Not much use to me personally though. I think you’ll find Apple Pay is very convenient for fast purchases and especially if you have a watch.

The speaker on the series 4 and up has really improved. I’m not brave enough to answer calls on my watch outside yet lol but I do it a lot at home. It’s so easy when my phone is downstairs and I’m upstairs.

 

[oVerboost]

So last week I visited one store to take a look at the Galaxy S20 and Galaxy Z Flip and I really do hope Apple will progress significantly with the design this year.

The Z Flip is of course impressive, but still not a device I would get myself at this point, but the S20 line makes the X/11 line iPhones look pretty dated. If S20 Ultra is a bit ott to me, the S20+ really hits the sweet spot and undercuts the 11 Pro Max with price (around 150 euros where I live and S20 has 5G - already available in Austria). I really started to consider moving away from iPhone for a while I will resist until the autumn to see the new iPhones (and also the Galaxy Note), but the temptation has never been stronger tbh.

What, in your opinion, makes the 11 range look dated? The frosted glass back on the Pro to me is nicer than the glossy S20 rear. Plus it’s worth remembering an Apple warranty is global, where as Samsung won’t even offer support in some places with a foreign device. And if they do, they’ll likely want to send it for inspection or make you ship it to them etc. In case you do ever go abroad for work etc, worth taking into consideration.

 

[_karrol]

What, in your opinion, makes the 11 range look dated? The frosted glass back on the Pro to me is nicer than the glossy S20 rear. Plus it’s worth remembering an Apple warranty is global, where as Samsung won’t even offer support in some places with a foreign device. And if they do, they’ll likely want to send it for inspection or make you ship it to them etc. In case you do ever go abroad for work etc, worth taking into consideration.

I think it's mainly screen-to-body ratio. I don't mind the notch, but the front on the S20 looks just way more futuristic. And I'm not talking about the functionality the notch is providing (it's all the Face ID vs under-display fingerprint reader choice), but just from purely esthetical point of view. When it comes to the back they're both nice to me, but honestly, I don't look at the back of the phone for like 95% of the time I use it, so it's not very relevant.


If I switch in the autumn depends on a variety of issues and maybe this thread is not the right place to have this discussion. But anyways, warranty is not an argument for me, tbh. I have lived and either studied or worked in four different countries so far and not even a single time did I think about warranty of my phone being honored or not in the country where I happened to have lived. Perhaps also because ive never had any issues with my phones under warranty.