Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

The iPhone Will Fail

Abazigal said:
Sadly, we are going to see a ton of similar hit pieces for the Vision Pro because the world is filled with Apple haters, and because anti-Apple news have proven to be fairly effective in driving clicks and views. You would think that after more than a decade, people would have learnt to give Apple the benefit of a doubt, but no, I guess it's just a lesson Apple will have to keep teaching (and which detractors will keep ignoring, to their own detriment).
Click to expand...

There are a lot of Apple users criticising it online too and mainly based on its price. It’s not just Apple detractors and haters. It’ll be given the benefit of the doubt once it becomes a consumer product and offered to the mass market. Right now people are unable to see past the £4k price tag and we can’t blame them as it’s very expensive for what it is. If this product is a niche product aimed at a smaller proportion of Apple users and that’s all Apple intend, then it can enjoy the success it has within that market. The internet ruins if this product are not known though, and it’s price is perhaps influencing the reaction it is receiving at the moment.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arkitect
Anyone who found my post funny that Apple needs to drop the Vision Pro pricing... here's a Bloomberg article talking about it.

www.bloomberg.com

How Apple Can Bring Down the Price of Apple Vision Headset From $3,500

Apple, having debuted the Vision Pro headset at $3,500, is already working on a cheaper model to get the new product category onto the faces of more people. Here’s how it may do it. Also: First impressions of Apple’s new operating systems, why Tim Cook won’t wear the Vision Pro in public and...
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

For any consumer electronics to succeed it needs to hit economies of scale. That's difficult to get "iPhone success" if it is priced 2-8x above the iPhone.
 
Longplays said:
For any consumer electronics to succeed it needs to hit economies of scale. That's difficult to get "iPhone success" if it is priced 2-8x above the iPhone.
Click to expand...
Do you even know what economies of scale means?
This isn't your average consumer device, this is a device looking for a market, or to create one which isn't defined.
Why do you think comparing this to iphone is appropriate. I don't think Apple expects this to be anything close to an iphone in terms of success.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Makisupa Policeman, SlCKB0Y and arkitect
orionquest said:
Do you even know what economies of scale means?
This isn't your average consumer device, this is a device looking for a market, or to create one which isn't defined.
Why do you think comparing this to iphone is appropriate. I don't think Apple expects this to be anything close to an iphone in terms of success.
Click to expand...
Watch the WWDC 2023 keynote 2hr video.

Apple devoted 40+ mins to talk about the Vision Pro while all the other products & services were given fraction of that time.

Their described use case replaces all Apple's products.

Back in 2007 many doubters like that Register artcile abound but 16+ years later... Apple is a $3 trillion company largely thanks to the iPhone.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Makisupa Policeman
Longplays said:
Watch the WWDC 2023 keynote 2hr video.

Apple devoted 40+ mins to talk about the Vision Pro while all the other products & services were given fraction of that time.

Their described use case replaces all Apple's products.

Back in 2007 many doubters like that Register artcile abound but 16+ years later... Apple is a $3 trillion company largely thanks to the iPhone.
Click to expand...
Please explain to the class how it replaces a Macintosh. Besides using it as a visual space (a monitor).

and go..
 
  • Like
Reactions: arkitect
andrefillipe said:
AVP is years ahead the competition
Click to expand...
It's hard to argue with that!

filmes-1881-cartazes-2137.jpg
 
  • Haha
  • Love
Reactions: Makisupa Policeman, klasma, arkitect and 2 others
Septercius said:
So tired that you have to read and comment on them.
Click to expand...
Isnt it human nature ? Why do you think most fb posts (social network which i completely blocked thank god) , are negative stuff, to attract people's attention and make the comment on their disagreement and disgust for the same rehashed stories and theories

Besides what makes you think I've read it :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: arkitect
The Vision Pro really isn't comparable to the iPhone.

Yes, original iPhone sales increased after the price went down and later revisions decreased the price further.

That doesn't mean that the Vision Pro will be a smashing success five years from now. There's plenty of other factors that determine it being successful.

The smartphone market had existed for years by 2007, even if the iPhone revolutionized it. The only thing I've heard about that's anything like the Vision Pro is the HoloLens and I haven't heard anything about it in like six years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arkitect
My intention with this thread was to show how people tend to see technologies jumps with negative eyes, always saying things like “This thing has no use”, “Who needs that?” or “No one will buy that”.

I’ve seen a lot of comments like that in this forum while going back to registers when new products were rumored or launched, like the iPhone, the iPad and Apple Watch.

The main point is that people tend to have a hard time imagining new ways of living, new methods of doing things, new experiences that no one have heard about before, and so on.

Of course, not always a new technology will succeed; but I don’t think it’s the case with a huge product from Apple which is a very well structured company.

So, with the announcement of Apple Vision Pro I’m seeing the history repeating itself here on MacRumors and other places.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Makisupa Policeman, Halmahc and Kierkegaarden
klasma said:
I’m expecting it to reach that price point eventually though. ;)
Click to expand...
I would not mind paying that price if it can boot into macOS when attached to a Thunderbolt display and comes with 2TB 2GB/s storage.

Who wouldn't want an iPhone to cover all your macOS needs?
 
andrefillipe said:
My intention with this thread was to show how people tend to see technologies jumps with negative eyes, always saying things like “This thing has no use”, “Who needs that?” or “No one will buy that”.
Click to expand...
That’s true, and not a new insight, but conversely the existence of such comments also doesn’t imply that a new product type or technology will necessarily be a runaway or long-term success.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arkitect
Longplays said:
Back read my previous post on this thread. It's all spelt out there.
Click to expand...
I have read all your posts but I still don’t know where this idea comes from that the only way the AVP is a success is if it is an iPhone level success.
Yes they spent a long time talking about it in the keynote, and yes it has a lot of overlap with Apple’s other devices (it cannot replace all). But to go from that to it has to bring in more money than the iPhone is huge logical leap. I would only expect them to spend a long time talking about a brand new product category and one that is so different. And there is a lot of overlap in all Apple’s devices.

We all know that this product at this price won’t outsell the iPhone, so there’s no way that Apple expects it to. They’re not idiots. So for Apple, success for the AVP must mean something else. It might mean more modest revenue. Or it might mean merely acting as a stepping stone toward AR glasses, which I think is the only thing that can replace the iPhone.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SlCKB0Y and 4087258
Love-hate 🍏 relationship said:
Isnt it human nature ? Why do you think most fb posts (social network which i completely blocked thank god) , are negative stuff, to attract people's attention and make the comment on their disagreement and disgust for the same rehashed stories and theories

Besides what makes you think I've read it :)
Click to expand...
Actually if you didn’t read it, that would explain your first comment/post to me. It seems like you were responding to the title of the thread and not the original post. The title is a lead in, not a description of the post.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Love-hate 🍏 relationship and 4087258
andrefillipe said:
My intention with this thread was to show how people tend to see technologies jumps with negative eyes, always saying things like “This thing has no use”, “Who needs that?” or “No one will buy that”.

I’ve seen a lot of comments like that in this forum while going back to registers when new products were rumored or launched, like the iPhone, the iPad and Apple Watch.

The main point is that people tend to have a hard time imagining new ways of living, new methods of doing things, new experiences that no one have heard about before, and so on.

Of course, not always a new technology will succeed; but I don’t think it’s the case with a huge product from Apple which is a very well structured company.

So, with the announcement of Apple Vision Pro I’m seeing the history repeating itself here on MacRumors and other places.
Click to expand...
Yes, it seems like most of the pushback is coming from those that don’t understand what is being offered, don’t have much imagination, or can’t afford it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: aParkerMusic and 4087258
Kierkegaarden said:
Yes, it seems like most of the pushback is coming from those that don’t understand what is being offered, don’t have much imagination, or can’t afford it.
Click to expand...

I agree with that. Too much sensationalism and misunderstanding.
I understand that sensationalism is all over the youtube (for example), but it’s totality unnecessary in tech forums.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kierkegaarden
Longplays said:
The iPhone was never $3499.

At that price range only people who could afford a Mac Pro would buy one.

For Vision Pro to succeed it needs to drop to iPhone's $429-1599 price range.
Click to expand...
The original Macintosh was $2495 (about $7000 in today’s money).

We still have Macs today.

No one expects this to be a super-quick success like the iPhone or iPad. It would be foolish to count Apple out on this, a marvelous first-generation product.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️, Kierkegaarden and 4087258
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back