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Every time someone like you comes along and makes this wild and ridiculous claim, they then proceed to have zero examples of a task the machines cannot complete, and it generally turns out they were actually just interested in framerates on first person shooters.


Still, the 2016 MBP is not designed or adequate for high-end professional work. If it were there would be no reason for the Mac Pro to exist, nor if the Mac Pro discontinued because the MBP proved a suitable replacement.

The 2016 MBP is more akin to a MacBook Air replacement. Which is fine as far as it goes. Only the state of the art has moved on and it should be significantly more powerful by now to warrant the appellation 'Pro,' as in professional. There are categories and where Apple formally more or less well met the high-end market, now abandoning it.

Whether this is a wise strategy on their part is another question. But the direction seems clear and their customers might ask themselves to what extent they will be satisfied when a glorified iPad and Macs that mimic it are the epitome and all Apple has on offer for the most demanding tasks?
 
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Still, the 2016 MBP is not designed or adequate for high-end professional work.

We all know you're making this up, because, just as I predicted, you cannot come up with a single example of a "professional" task the machine cannot handle.

Because you are not a professional. You are a first person shooter gamer, interested in framerates.
 
We all know you're making this up, because, just as I predicted, you cannot come up with a single example of a "professional" task the machine cannot handle.

Because you are not a professional. You are a first person shooter gamer, interested in framerates.




Well said.

Now there ARE some folks out there who need more than what this machine can do, but...

I am a working professional photographer. I can do post work in LR and PS simultaneously while pumping 4K video to an external Dell monitor. 4K video editing is fine.

And I'm on the mid level 13" Touch bar! The 15" is significantly more powerful, though not needed for my workflow.

Facts are not popular here.



R
 
The 2016 MBP is more akin to a MacBook Air replacement. Which is fine as far as it goes.

Agree.... Apple no longer makes a high powered laptop..

I really think Apple should rename these machines to the MacBook only and drop the Pro moniker. I think that would diminish many of the complaints..

The 2016's are very nice Air replacements, no doubt, they are just pretty darn pricey when compared to the Airs of previous years..
 
I own the TB 15" 2.7GHZ and a TB 13". I find NOTHING wrong with them.

The TB is neither here nor there. It's not a BAD thing, but not a God send either. The other things are what's great: Screen, weight, ports, finish. But I can understand some people may need the function keys. These people have a very legitimate gripe, but how many, really? Correction: price is wrong :D (price is always wrong...sorry)

One thing that's odd (but good), is that apparently, I can now pick up the 15" with one hand (at least I've been doing it) from any awkward position, something I could not do with my Retina 15".
It's just a half a pound though....who knows

So there's some positive stuff. :)
 
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Agree.... Apple no longer makes a high powered laptop..

I really think Apple should rename these machines to the MacBook only and drop the Pro moniker. I think that would diminish many of the complaints..

The 2016's are very nice Air replacements, no doubt, they are just pretty darn pricey when compared to the Airs of previous years..





You see, I'll politely say that this is not a credible comment.

If the new MacBook Pro is not high-powered, then nothing is.

Please support your claim with data demonstrating professional tasks that previous models could handle, but this can't?

The new 15" will render 4K video, handle moderate effects and fly faster than supposedly higher powered PC's.

I own a maxed out Air. It a capable machine, but PS runs slow once you have layers going and the screen is not up to the task. This is not the case with the 13 tMBP, which handles this pro duty with aplomb.

Repeating this unsupported mantra about these powerful machines is meaningless. There are real world tests showing the new MBP out-crunching the old models on intensive video projects, so how does one suddenly demote the faster model?

The "old" MBP was and is used by professionals and so will the new one. I wouldn't worry about the name. My Air is MUCH heavier than air and it doesn't bother me one bit!



R
 
With respect, the 2016 MacBook Pro is not designed or adequate for high-end professional use. For some professional applications it will prove suitable (despite many questionable limitations), but certainly not others, with those customers simply abandoned.

Moreover anyone with a love of all Macintosh should be more than concerned, as the advent of the 2016 MBP marked a public sea change from Apple. It is an open secret now that the Macintosh is viewed by Apple as a legacy product, with what remnants of it they decide to retain incorporated into the iOS sphere. The 2016 MBP is an iOS hybrid, the hardware a blend between that existing and the iWatch; the software no less so, with Sierra a mixture of that formally OSX and iOS. As far as this goes it is only the beginning. Apple has disbanded the OSX software team, melding them into the iOS software effort, which takes precedence.

As others, I can speak to the 2016 MBP, even though purposefully not having bought one. With reason. Chances are more than a few others in this same boat know quite a bit more about the 2016 MBP than the actual owners at this point, as quite concerned about Apple's present direction and having studied it closely.

This is nothing to be sanguine about.

I've seen this comment about "professionals". Who are these professionals that are being left behind by Apple? I'm a professional and I don't feel left out. It seems that on these pages, professionals are code for "media content providers and creators." I guess I am the wrong kind of professional....
 
You see, I'll politely say that this is not a credible comment.

If the new MacBook Pro is not high-powered, then nothing is.

Please support your claim with data demonstrating professional tasks that previous models could handle, but this can't?

The new 15" will render 4K video, handle moderate effects and fly faster than supposedly higher powered PC's.

I own a maxed out Air. It a capable machine, but PS runs slow once you have layers going and the screen is not up to the task. This is not the case with the 13 tMBP, which handles this pro duty with aplomb.

Repeating this unsupported mantra about these powerful machines is meaningless. There are real world tests showing the new MBP out-crunching the old models on intensive video projects, so how does one suddenly demote the faster model?

The "old" MBP was and is used by professionals and so will the new one. I wouldn't worry about the name. My Air is MUCH heavier than air and it doesn't bother me one bit!



R

Nothing is credible to you unless it involves heaping praise.. It's an Air replacement in my mind and all the praise you pile on it won't change my opinion of that.. It's a fine computer but don't kid yourself..
 
Nothing is credible to you unless it involves heaping praise.. It's an Air replacement in my mind and all the praise you pile on it won't change my opinion of that.. It's a fine computer but don't kid yourself..




I think we may be getting somewhere....or maybe not!

In the world of writers, photographers, musicians and video journalists, the MBP line has always been the go-to choice. The combination of the good screen, fast processing of tasks, easy connectivity and durable build made it an obvious pick for majority of users.

For 3D rendering, graphic intensive games, high end design and other such tasks, you ALWAYS needed a desktop or purpose built gaming machine.

It's simply silly to say that the previous generation of MBP is "professional" and the faster improved models are not.

Like me, several people in this thread have asked "What do you do or need from this machine that it can't deliver on?"

The answers aren't coming to quickly, but the labels certainly are.



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I've seen this comment about "professionals". Who are these professionals that are being left behind by Apple? I'm a professional and I don't feel left out. It seems that on these pages, professionals are code for "media content providers and creators." I guess I am the wrong kind of professional....




Me too! So far I seem to be one of the few people pushing this machine at all and I have no regrets about it. I'm very glad I waited for it.

But we have people calling it a MacBook Air replacement?

Hmmmm. I have my Air sitting 5 feet from me. It cannot do the professional tasks that the tMBP can do. And that's coming from a HUGE fan of the MB Air.

Then again...I'd call the Air a professional machine too because the people using it are professionals.


R
 
I think we may be getting somewhere....or maybe not!

In the world of writers, photographers, musicians and video journalists, the MBP line has always been the go-to choice. The combination of the good screen, fast processing of tasks, easy connectivity and durable build made it an obvious pick for majority of users.

For 3D rendering, graphic intensive games, high end design and other such tasks, you ALWAYS needed a desktop or purpose built gaming machine.

It's simply silly to say that the previous generation of MBP is "professional" and the faster improved models are not.

Like me, several people in this thread have asked "What do you do or need from this machine that it can't deliver on?"

The answers aren't coming to quickly, but the labels certainly are.



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Me too! So far I seem to be one of the few people pushing this machine at all and I have no regrets about it. I'm very glad I waited for it.

But we have people calling it a MacBook Air replacement?

Hmmmm. I have my Air sitting 5 feet from me. It cannot do the professional tasks that the tMBP can do. And that's coming from a HUGE fan of the MB Air.

Then again...I'd call the Air a professional machine too because the people using it are professionals.


R

You keep twisting what people say and are now making things up that do not exist..

Show me where I said

1. It's not a professional machine
2. It does not do what I need it to

You can't because I never made those claims.. C'mon man........
 
Lets take it one by one...

Agree.... Apple no longer makes a high powered laptop..

The 15" is not a high powered laptop? Even though it can handle photo and video faster? Please explain.

I really think Apple should rename these machines to the MacBook only and drop the Pro moniker. I think that would diminish many of the complaints..

All of the laptops made by Apple are use by pros. The MBP signifies the top of the line models and these are the fastest made by Apple yet. You can't call last year's rMBP a "pro" and say the newer faster and improved machine is not.

The 2016's are very nice Air replacements, no doubt, they are just pretty darn pricey when compared to the Airs of previous years..

My Air still feels slimmer because of the tapered shape and NOTHING can touch the battery life, which is partly due to the less demanding screen and graphics. Apple has yet to release an Air Replacement, which should be super slim and have 15 hours battery life.


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Agree.... Apple no longer makes a high powered laptop..

I really think Apple should rename these machines to the MacBook only and drop the Pro moniker. I think that would diminish many of the complaints..

The 2016's are very nice Air replacements, no doubt, they are just pretty darn pricey when compared to the Airs of previous years..

They never did make high powered laptops though, at least from my opinion [or maybe a long time ago before I was a user].

I have had MBP since the titanium came out - something like 15 years ago? I have been able to throttle every single one with my work [design and architecture].

I have had airs too and these are way beyond those computers.

I simply don't understand why people have these rose tinted glasses on of what they used to have and how amazing it was. The current machines in my eyes are more than capable, and if you are doing work on it that is throttling it / having the fans blasting etc, then you are doing work on it it really wasnt designed for. The same has applied for a long time now hence the reason desktops still exist. You can't have a slim portable machine that is super powerful - the 2 don't go together.

This will be my last post on this topic as I personally just cannot understand the expectations.

I have ordered a 15" to replace my 2014 model [which is fine but like to be current and cannot stand the keyboard on it]. If it is not good enough for ALL my requriements I will simply get a desktop [imac / mac pro for the heavy lifting]. Simple really.

And if anyone says they can't afford to do this - then get a desktop and be happy. One laptop cannot do everything without a compromise somewhere [price, weight, size, power etc].

have fun making decisions. Me..... I run a business and I don't compromise on the equipment - right tool for the right job.
 
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They never did make high powered laptops though, at least from my opinion [or maybe a long time ago before I was a user].

I have had MBP since the titanium came out - something like 15 years ago? I have been able to throttle every single one with my work [design and architecture].

I have had airs too and these are way beyond those computers.

I simply don't understand why people have these rose tinted glasses on of what they used to have and how amazing it was. The current machines in my eyes are more than capable, and if you are doing work on it that is throttling it / having the fans blasting etc, then you are doing work on it it really wasnt designed for. The same has applied for a long time now hence the reason desktops still exist. You can't have a slim portable machine that is super powerful - the 2 don't go together.

This will be my last post on this topic as I personally just cannot understand the expectations.

I have ordered a 15" to replace my 2014 model [which is fine but like to be current and cannot stand the keyboard on it]. If it is not good enough for ALL my requriements I will simply get a desktop [imac / mac pro for the heavy lifting]. Simple really.

And if anyone says they can't afford to do this - then get a desktop and be happy. One laptop cannot do everything without a compromise somewhere [price, weight, size, power etc].

have fun making decisions. Me..... I run a business and I don't compromise on the equipment - right tool for the right job.




Very well said. I guess I had very realistic expectations and my requirements were met. It wouldn't even occur to me to use a machine like this for architecture.

Maybe the way to say it is..."These are very capable machines for a LAPTOP!"



R
 
Lets take it one by one...

Agree.... Apple no longer makes a high powered laptop..

The 15" is not a high powered laptop? Even though it can handle photo and video faster? Please explain.

I really think Apple should rename these machines to the MacBook only and drop the Pro moniker. I think that would diminish many of the complaints..

All of the laptops made by Apple are use by pros. The MBP signifies the top of the line models and these are the fastest made by Apple yet. You can't call last year's rMBP a "pro" and say the newer faster and improved machine is not.

The 2016's are very nice Air replacements, no doubt, they are just pretty darn pricey when compared to the Airs of previous years..

My Air still feels slimmer because of the tapered shape and NOTHING can touch the battery life, which is partly due to the less demanding screen and graphics. Apple has yet to release an Air Replacement, which should be super slim and have 15 hours battery life.


R

See my previous post about you twisting what people say... It's why all your threads get closed and locked... Maybe stick to the facts and what people actually say?

So again .................. .Show me where I said:

1. It's not a professional machine
2. It does not do what I need it to

I'll wait, no rush....
 
See my previous post about you twisting what people say... It's why all your threads get closed and locked... Maybe stick to the facts and what people actually say?



What's twisted? I pasted in your exact comments.

So far we've had two people in 10 days actually describe a REAL requirement that can't be met by Apple Laptops. But you think they shouldn't be called Pro, but can't explain why. Was last years slower, dimmer machine still a pro?



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turns out they were actually just interested in framerates on first person shooters.

This is what comes to mind every time I hear someone complain it's not a 'pro' machine. The only 'downgrade' from the previous generation is lack of ports. But that's just a matter of opinion as I see it as an upgrade. 4 of the fastest ports ever offered that are not dedicated to one form of data transfer. I can actually hook up 4+ peripherals without prioritizing ports.

So you're either pissed off because yet again Apple DIDN'T make a gaming machine or you're invested heavily in port specific peripherals. For the former, there's still PCs and for the latter, dongles. ;)
 
This is what comes to mind every time I hear someone complain it's not a 'pro' machine. The only 'downgrade' from the previous generation is lack of ports. But that's just a matter of opinion as I see it as an upgrade. 4 of the fastest ports ever offered that are not dedicated to one form of data transfer. I can actually hook up 4+ peripherals without prioritizing ports.

So you're either pissed off because yet again Apple DIDN'T make a gaming machine or you're invested heavily in port specific peripherals. For the former, there's still PCs and for the latter, dongles. ;)





Perfectly said.

It just makes zero sense to worry about this machine having the "pro" label, let alone seriously question it.

If this isn't a pro machine, then Apple NEVER made one and they were all MacBooks airs.



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The 2016's are very nice Air replacements, no doubt, they are just pretty darn pricey when compared to the Airs of previous years.

You're talking out your... err, making things up. I think your skill set is trolling.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1131864/macbooks/macbookair.html?page=2

Macworld Lab tested the MacBook Air’s $1,799 base configuration—a 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo processor with an 80GB hard drive.

Coincidentally, exactly the same base price as the TB version. ;)

In 2008 dollars, https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1799&year1=2008&year2=2016, and specs that aren't even close to Apples to Apples. Pun intended.

Next.

or /drops mic. As the 'kids' say these days.
 
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You're talking out your... err, making things up. I think your skill set is trolling.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1131864/macbooks/macbookair.html?page=2



Coincidentally, exactly the same base price as the TB version. ;)

In 2008 dollars, https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1799&year1=2008&year2=2016, and specs that aren't even close to Apples to Apples. Pun intended.

Next.

All that effort to impress me = FAIL

My comment about it being an Air replacement was due to it's smaller size and weight... Funny what people do when they read into things...

I'm not going to write a 47 page dissertation in every post to explain every scenario known to man to man where someone will come along and twist words into what they want to read or mean,...

Thanks for the chuckle though..
 
All this raging debate with emotions is entertaining but here's my take as I'm on the market for a new laptop. I'm coming from a 2012 15" rMBP.

1. A 2016 product should definitely be faster than a 2015 product and it is.
2. It is marginally faster. Not to the fault of Apple but much more to the fault of Intel
3. The graphics are faster than before but not as fast as windows machines on the market
4. It's lighter and better built than other windows machines. But the windows machines are spec'd better in this price range
5. It has a touch bar that is really only valuable when you're using the laptop unplugged from a monitor. So why would I spend a lot of muscle memory to get used to the touch bar when it is only useful when I'm on the road? Truthfully, I wouldn't.

With all these things said, it all comes down to price to value ratio. It doesn't provide as much. If they provided all the same specs in the 15", minus the touch bar at the same price as last years? Then this would be a no brainer. But apple purposely didn't release a non-touch bar 15" version. That would be fine if the touch bar was also launched with a touch bar magic keyboard or something along those lines. The "forcing" of a single option on the 15" to pay for a touch bar that I don't find useful is a market play made by apple to ensure profits or to force Mac users into using a tool that is half baked (again, 50% of the time, I'm plugged into a monitor with a separate keyboard). I have no incentive to make the touch bar useful because why would I rely on it half the day only to not be able to use it in the other half of the day.

In the end, Apple needed to do a few things:
1. Include a friggin USB-C lightning cable either in every new iPhone or include it in the MacBook.
2. Released either a non-TB 15" OR released a magic keyboard with a touch bar.

But, they didn't. So now I'm still sitting here with my 4-5 year old laptop contemplating a move to a windows machine. That's just nuts. I love MacOS but I also don't want to feel like I'm being held hostage.

This is really a turning point for Apple in my mind. I am a long apple product user and I have most of their products at home in one form or another. But this product launch was not well orchestrated. It feels like Apple is abusing or neglecting its loyal user base and taking advantage of us / manipulating us. So while the TB MBP is a fine product and a better product than the year prior, I don't feel the same love or care that Apple used to put forth on behalf of its customer base. It's as if they have shifted their priorities to manipulating the market and to shareholder value above their customers. That's a problem because whether this was always the case or not, Apple never felt that way to its customers. Once this negative feeling takes hold, they will be knocked from their perch soon thereafter.

I've since sold a chunk of my Apple shares. I've held them for over 10 years. I still own some, but not nearly as much. That in itself should say something about the sea change that could be occurring because I know I'm not alone in feeling the way I do.
[doublepost=1482382161][/doublepost]Oh, and one more thing (mimicking Steve Jobs voice)...

Perhaps they didn't release a magic keyboard with TB because it would be a $400 keyboard. Maybe that's why the price was jacked up by hundreds for the 15" over previous years? But if that's true, you have to ask yourself -- would you buy a magic keyboard with touch bar if it was $400? If the answer is no for most people, then Apple made a mistake by adding functionality that's overpriced and then limiting upgrade options by non including an option to get one w/o it.
 
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First off people are Professionals and any tool they use is a professional tool for that endeavor PERIOD. Been hearing this crap for 40 years as a Photographer. If I get a end result than what I used has no relevance. Now having said that I see absolutely no reason to justify spending close to 4 grand to anyone even my wife and don't need to tell anyone here that it's a nice tool and I'm enjoying it. But I will share my knowledge of it but it's my money so I don't need to tell everyone how wonderful it maybe. Is it the best tool , who knows who cares if it works for your needs that's all that matters. I'm a high end commercial shooter and I have certain needs and one is to be mobile. I need very fast Raw processing times as some gigs get into thousands of images in a short time so I need a quick box to do that. I'm pretty happy with the speed and zero issues. Happy Holidays Everyone
 
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First off people are Professionals and any tool they use is a professional tool for that endeavor PERIOD. Been hearing this crap for 40 years as a Photographer. If I get a end result than what I used has no relevance. Now having said that I see absolutely no reason to justify spending close to 4 grand to anyone even my wife and don't need to tell anyone here that it's a nice tool and I'm enjoying it. But I will share my knowledge of it but it's my money so I don't need to tell everyone how wonderful it maybe. Is it the best tool , who knows who cares if it works for your needs that's all that matters. I'm a high end commercial shooter and I have certain needs and one is to be mobile. I need very fast Raw processing times as some gigs get into thousands of images in a short time so I need a quick box to do that. I'm pretty happy with the speed and zero issues. Happy Holidays Everyone

It's your money. How you spend it is entirely up to you.

My money is my money and the same applies to me.

If more agree with my stance on price vs you, then that should signal a larger issue for Apple and should signal a larger issue for you longer term. Because if its not an issue for Apple, then it is Apple who is acknowledging that the 15" MBP is becoming more and more a niche product. And we all know what happens to Apple's niche products. So if you fancy having no choice but to move to a windows machine for your photography needs in the future, then you should care (just a tiny tiny bit) about this. Should you lose sleep over it? No. Go enjoy your product. But I value having a strong community that backs both hardware and software. Without that community, support from Apple will diminish over time. This is not really an opinion, its just basic market dynamics. It's like Betamax. Superior in every way over VHS. No community support. Or in less olden terms, FireWire vs USB.

I don't even know why i'm writing any of this stuff. It isn't that big deal a deal. This thread was far more entertaining to see 3 ppl railing on each other about who is right before I stepped into it.
 
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Believe me Apple has its issues and for me battery means very little and this direction to increase battery life that sacrifices performance is concerning. Many of us need that horsepower. Really what they should be doing us offering a second option for those needs. Main problem with that is exactly the same in photography these days is the market is shrinking for specific tools and you can blame the IPhone for that on both counts . iPhone has killed the camera market and it's going to do the same with computers eventually. Good bad or indifferent we are in a changing world. So no I'm happy but I'm no fanboy either.
 
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Ok, we have taken some time to clean up the childish bickering in this thread. You can debate each other's points, but don't make it personal.
 
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It's rather fascinating to see the reaction to new products like the tMBP.

Most of the negative posts are from folks who don't own one. They also seem the crave negative reports and comments on these new machines. A sticking key or glitch somewhere suddenly takes on Orwellian proportions that are somehow indicative of Apple preparing to ignore and eventually abandon Mac users.

Most of us can easily see that this is just another new release. Apple went to bat and brought a bunch of new features and changes. Most pros will be happy with these new machines, but hobbyists who crave the highest spec are frustrated that Apple didn't open this lineup with faster processors and legacy ports.

Again, you have to have a sense of history here. Apple continues to make top-level notebooks and they will push these machines further next year and the year after. They have zero interest in selling the "last notebook you'll need" as folks who hold onto these things for 5 years are not what they're interested in. The "pro" market upgrades fast and regular, so next year Apple will refine the tMBP further and the year after that will likely see a highly mature product.

That's how it's done and how it works and always has been, so I have no idea what all the crying is about from the minority here. If this machine can't meet your workload, buy something else or wait until late 2017. It's truly simple.

Of course the response has been largely positive where it counts. We know USB-C will be THE port and it already is the most versatile thing to have. We also know that a snappy precise keyboard, better speakers and screen...all took a ton of expensive engineering to employ. Add the touchbar, insanely good build and this is likely the best machine available.
But that doesn't make it perfect for everyone.

I tried the Surface Pro. Some folks love it. But it wasn't for me. I dumped it and stayed with Mac. That's how it works, folks.


Cheers,


R

Is it trolling and I'm taking the bait ? Or are you annoyed because you like your Mac and can't stand other people not liking it ?
If the latter and you just like your mac, just be happy with it and forget it. :)

But please don't say completely unproven things like "criticism comes from non-owner and non-professionals", this is just not right. And not helpful.

I'm an owner, and definitely a professional : programmer, running VM, servers & the works.
This is Apple's worst machine, and I used Apple since 2006 now and I've been quite used to the scam attitude where they sell overpriced machines with crappy components ( personally I particularly didn't digest the "let's continue to sell crappy USB2 ports while the PC world is at USB3, and continue to do so for 2.5 years", or the HDMI which took time to birth ) .

But :
1) Sacrificing negligible, impossible to "feel", gains on weight and size for a much less powerful battery is just plain stupid.

2) Removing magsafe is unforgivable. People who go to conferences, have dogs or kids are certainly all bitter about this change.

3) Adapter gate : The idea that your machine is going to look ridiculous for the next 3 years until you renew all your peripherals so that in 3 years, once renewed, you can say "look, no adapters" to the few people who won't have ONE USB-C ports on their PC is just preposterous. Stupid, even.

4) Also, no lightning port to connect your iPhone7, are you for real ??

5) Power wise we're being given an old generation of processors. It would have been ok if the release happened last year, but not now that Kabylake line is being launched.

6) Nothing really interesting - the screen has average resolution, no 4k, no OLED, I really wish I would have had a "wow" factor. Instead I'm going to drool over the Yoga and its OLED screen.

7) Keyboard is awful.

8) Incredibly overpriced, and not impressive in terms of look AND hardware AND price compared to say, OLED Yoga, or Dell XPS15, or Razer Blade Stealth (the new one).

9) Still don't use the Touch Bar, it definitely start entering the "gimmick" phase for me. Especially at home where I use a stand.

So no, negative comments come also from owners and professionals. Particularly from them.

As to the switch to Windows, between the habits, the walled garden you put yourself in by using Apple, and the app you bought, it's not that easy.
Also personally Windows still has an awful "feel" to me, and poor design.
But be ****ing sure that if they could run macOS on any laptops (and I'm not talking hackintoshs), you could be sure professionals wouldn't be choosing the Apple ones.
 
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