The Merged Hackintosh Thread

[icoffee]

Because that should be the ONLY basis on which it would be brought down. If its not illegal, no reason to bring it down. Since you are wanting IM to be shut down, I can do nothing but assume you think its illegal. It isn't.

No, another reason would be to gain hardware sales to meet product demand.

Which has been answered. Once again, if its not illegal, then there's no basis to shut down IM. Stop beating this dead horse please...its suffered enough

Perhaps it is time to get a cup of coffee.

What are you talking about? It's merely an extension of your "logic". Jailbreaking the iphone is breaking eulas just as is running a hackintosh. Copying dvd's circumvents industry drm measures. Why aren't websites devoted to those not shut down? Answer that and you may just have the answer to your question (hint: its already been posted numerous times by myself and others)

Hint: And you're responses have been helpful but not all-inclusive.

If you question IM with their content solely for information that happens to result in breaking the eula if acted upon by an individual, those other examples are just as applicable, if not more so.

I don't question IM, or Lifehacker, or BoingBong, or hackintosh, computerworld, zdnet, or any other site or blog post that's put up information on running OS X on non-Apple hardware.

If Apple got into the motherboard + OS package, kind of like a developer transition system without support, would there really be a need for hackintosh? Would it be profitable?

 

[dukebound85]

No, another reason would be to gain hardware sales to meet product demand.

Ok, would Apple rather not have IM around? Yes. Is IM doing anything illegal? No

Because IM isn't breaking any laws, there's no reason at all for it to be removed.

Perhaps it is time to get a cup of coffee.

nah too early here

Hint: And you're responses have been helpful but not all-inclusive.

And your argument for shutting down IM has no merit. Just because Apple doesn't like it, doesn't equate to IM having to be legally forced to shut down.

I don't question IM, or Lifehacker, or BoingBong, or hackintosh, computerworld, zdnet, or any other site or blog post that's put up information on running OS X on non-Apple hardware.

If you don't question it, then why try to argue to shut it down?

If Apple got into the motherboard + OS package, kind of like a developer transition system without support, would there really be a need for hackintosh? Would it be profitable?

Isn't that what Apple does now and provides support? In that they offer the motherboard that works with the OSX? If they offered a mid range mac, there wold be very little need if any, for people like myself to build a hackintosh.

Now if your question is there a market for a mid range mac? I'd say yes as evidenced by the hackintosh scene as well as threads like this and individuals like myself. Whether Apple does this or not is up to them. I will say that some think there is and some think there isn't as this topic comes up a lot. All I know is I'm not in the market for a mac pro (overkill for my needs) or an imac (I have nice monitors I've invested in for example) or a mini (poor gpu and outdated tech for my needs). Apple simply does not have a solution for me.

 

[gazzanova]

O/T

has anyone tried the new bootloader hack?

change the boring grey apple bootloader pic to one of your choice

here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDVjr77itew

here's the guide in case anyone else wants to try it

http://forum.leo4all.com/bhast2/guide/

only works on hackintoshes and you must install the chameleon bootloader

 

[icoffee]

Ok, would Apple rather not have IM around? Yes. Is IM doing anything illegal? No

And your argument for shutting down IM has no merit. Just because Apple doesn't like it, doesn't equate to IM having to be legally forced to shut down.

That's kind of the point of my question - does Apple want IM and others around? I also never said that IM or the other sites weren't doing anything illegal. The courts will partly decide that.

If you don't question it, then why try to argue to shut it down?

If a company has a product being sold but could both make more $$$ by offering another product and meeting product demand, wouldn't that effectively shut it down or at least cause it to evolve into something new?

Isn't that what Apple does now and provides support? In that they offer the motherboard that works with the OSX? If they offered a mid range mac, there wold be very little need if any, for people like myself to build a hackintosh.

I had no clue Apple continued to sell motherboard and OS kits (and neither does the Apple Store).

Now if your question is there a market for a mid range mac? I'd say yes as evidenced by the hackintosh scene as well as threads like this and individuals like myself. Whether Apple does this or not is up to them. I will say that some think there is and some think there isn't as this topic comes up a lot. All I know is I'm not in the market for a mac pro (overkill for my needs) or an imac (I have nice monitors I've invested in for example) or a mini (poor gpu and outdated tech for my needs). Apple simply does not have a solution for me.

Why not sell the monitors, get the MacPro and go overkill? You'd be set for a few years with that machine. It just seems the incentive to go Apple hardware has to do with use of pre-existing hardware, cost, overall experience, and upgradeability. I'd bet that if Apple sold a motherboard and OS without a developer's license (let's say for $700), they'd make a killing in this hobby market.

 

[dukebound85]

That's kind of the point of my question - does Apple want IM and others around? I also never said that IM or the other sites weren't doing anything illegal. The courts will partly decide that.

Decide what? there's nothing to decide against IM. Please tell me how the courts would decide to shut down IM if there is nothing illegal about the site? I'm curious to hear your logic on that one.

If a company has a product being sold but could both make more $$$ by offering another product and meeting product demand, wouldn't that effectively shut it down or at least cause it to evolve into something new?

Yes, if Apple offered a mid range mac tower, I personally wouldn't have built a hackintosh. However, as long as people can hack it, some will as a hobby.

I had no clue Apple continued to sell motherboard and OS kits (and neither does the Apple Store).

They do...in the form of their computers (they just include the peripherals for you in their case designs). The os will only run on their mb's and their hardware flawlessly. Even a hackintosh runs into issues at times.

Why not sell the monitors, get the MacPro and go overkill? You'd be set for a few years with that machine. It just seems the incentive to go Apple hardware has to do with use of pre-existing hardware, cost, overall experience, and upgradeability. I'd bet that if Apple sold a motherboard and OS without a developer's license (let's say for $700), they'd make a killing in this hobby market.

My monitors are nicer than an imac one, not to mention I have no desire for an all in one period. I do not need a macpro at all. I do not buy more than I need to, especially if it costs a small fortune. I do not want to spend at least 2700 bucks for a desktop that is way more than I need

The entry level price for an imac is 1199, a mac pro is 2799. Quite a jump

 

[MacUser2525]

I'd bet that if Apple sold a motherboard and OS without a developer's license (let's say for $700), they'd make a killing in this hobby market.

Doubt it you can build damn near an entire computer for that amount including buying the non-cripled copy of Leopard.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

I'd bet that if Apple sold a motherboard and OS without a developer's license (let's say for $700), they'd make a killing in this hobby market.

No.
I built my current rig for about $650. Ive got a 2.66 core2duo, 4gb 800mhz ram, a 500gb 7200rpm drive and a 160gb 5400rpm drive, an 8600gt (256mb), GA-P35-DS3L mobo, and some cheap cd/dvd burner. A mac cant come close to that and this machine runs osx flawlessly. I've only had a few crashes and they were all my fault for doing stupid things and all my hardware works perfectly. Until apple can compete with that i will keep building my own hacs.

 

[doug in albq]

I know one way to stop the hackintosh....

http://dougitdesign.com/blog.html

The above article is pure speculation and opinion. Please refrain from attacking the author's sanity...I have already received so much hate-mail in the last 24 hours that I am starting to feel....crazy. J/J, lol.
(Funny thing is, of all the loathing I have been the recipient of over the last day, no one hated on me because I talked about Steve Jobs fragile health condition, and everyone hated on me about about the beloved Mac OS never, ever, ever being detached from the precious Apple-produced hardware.)

 

[icoffee]

Decide what? there's nothing to decide against IM. Please tell me how the courts would decide to shut down IM if there is nothing illegal about the site? I'm curious to hear your logic on that one.

From what I've read, Apple is also going after some of the coders, i.e. the mysterious 10. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the hackintosh developers find an early retirement. Would you?

Yes, if Apple offered a mid range mac tower, I personally wouldn't have built a hackintosh. However, as long as people can hack it, some will as a hobby.

I agree, I too would be a customer for a mid-range tower. I'd even be more of a customer for a genuine Mac intel motherboard kit that I can put into my own case, use my own power supply, etc.

They do...in the form of their computers (they just include the peripherals for you in their case designs).

That's a big stretch, please. No one is talking about disassembly to make a hackintosh, it's really the opposite, i.e. assembly.

I do not want to spend at least 2700 bucks for a desktop that is way more than I need. The entry level price for an imac is 1199, a mac pro is 2799. Quite a jump

Not if you want to be 100% legal. Hackintosh at the very least breaks the EULA. (insert moral/ethical/legal consequences here)

Doubt it you can build damn near an entire computer for that amount including buying the non-cripled copy of Leopard.

Yes, you can build an entire one for that amount that will update and run Leopard now, but will it in 6 months, a year, etc? Neither you nor I know the answer to that, especially if Apple locks down.

So here's my question to you, "What is the top dollar amount you would pay for an Apple branded motherboard and OS license that would be authentic Apple, doesn't break any laws, allows you to painlessly update, and allows you to use your own case and parts?"

 

[doug in albq]

So again, I ask, "Why hasn't Insanelymac been shut down?"

It would seem to me that in some ways, Apple hasn't issued a C&D, because the site benefits Apple. But what kind of benefits would be so great as to allow Mac OS to be pirated and modified (as in the various distros) to run on non-Apple hardware (hardware that Apple didn't make a profit off of)? There's has to be something more to this, and while I don't usually go for conspiracy theories, could it be a good possibility that Apple is, in some obscure way, behind Insanelymac?

Yo, maybe to test the waters and seed (pun intended) interest for the potential of doing this:

"12.23.08: I have seen the future, and the Mac OS will eventually be available to (almost) all PC's as an alternative to Microsoft's Windows operating system!"

 

[icoffee]

Yo, maybe to test the waters and seed (pun intended) interest for the potential of doing this:

"12.23.08: I have seen the future, and the Mac OS will eventually be available to (almost) all PC's as an alternative to Microsoft's Windows operating system!"

12.23.15: It is the future, and it's still not available for non-Apple hardware. Back to my Delorean.

 

[doug in albq]

12.23.15: It is the future, and it's still not available for non-Apple hardware. Back to my Delorean.

Now, you seem to be contradicting your own logic.

Why is IM still around then? For that matter, why is this particular hackintosh thread still here at MacRumors?

Why does the MSI Wind notebook have an entire section of their forum dedicated to installing the Mac OS onto their Netbook?

Is Apple going to spend all its time and money going from litigation to litigation? When and where will it stop? We saw how well litigating something out of existence worked for the RIAA, right?

Look at how much time and money Apple is having to spend on little Psystar!

 

[icoffee]

Now, you seem to be contradicting your own logic.

No, not really. I asked why IM is still around.

Why is IM still around then? For that matter, why is this particular hackintosh thread still here at MacRumors?

Why IM, or better yet, hackintosh continues to exist IS exactly my question. This thread is around for 53 pages of reasons so far.

Why does the MSI Wind notebook have an entire section of their forum dedicated to installing the Mac OS onto their Netbook?

I would ask the MSI people the same question.

Is Apple going to spend all its time and money going from litigation to litigation? When and where will it stop? We saw how well litigating something out of existence worked for the RIAA, right?

No, they'll either sue them out of existence or find another way of shutting it all down, e.g. by offering products and later discontinuing them.

Look at how much time and money Apple is having to spend on little Psystar!

Pocket change.

 

[paduck]

Apple going after Psystar is a relatively high-profile tactic that will discourage others from trying to do similar things. Allowing Psystar to continue in business is something Apple couldn't ignore without risking other companies doing the same thing. As noted, Apple probably isn't spending a huge sum on lawyers and they probably look at this as an insurance policy against future risk.

 

[rhpenguin]

Heart the Hacintosh. My specs are in my sig.

The CPU has been running O/C'ed since I bought it 2 years ago. Mobo has been replaced as I wanted ICH9 vs. the ICH8. The pulled MoBo is in my MythTV box. Also swapped my video card once. Went from a GeForce 7600GT to my 8800GTX. I also have matched Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP 22" displays.

I don't think at this point I'd ever buy another Apple desktop. Laptop, maybe.. But after my iBook, I'm kinda sour on those too.

 

[gazfocus]

I was waiting for an updated iMac at Macworld but as that didn't come, I have now got the urge to build a hackintosh...but I want a reliable one that will run software like Final Cut Studio.

Is this a realistic goal or should I just wait for the iMacs to come out?

Can anyone advise where I can get details such as where to obtain advise on OSX Installs and compatible parts, etc.

 

[YahonMaizosz]

I was waiting for an updated iMac at Macworld but as that didn't come, I have now got the urge to build a hackintosh...but I want a reliable one that will run software like Final Cut Studio.

Is this a realistic goal or should I just wait for the iMacs to come out?

Can anyone advise where I can get details such as where to obtain advise on OSX Installs and compatible parts, etc.

You can try InsanelyMac.com

 

[rhpenguin]

Is this a realistic goal or should I just wait for the iMacs to come out?

Very realistic goal. Read insanelymac, read it some more, then read it again. Frequent their compatible hardware Wiki, then buy your parts based on success. If you buy the right gear you will have no issue. It's a very worthwhile investment.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

Penguin is correct. I have Leo running perfectly on my hac. I spent about a week looking up what parts worked and what parts would give me the best cost/performance ratio. Its very, very easy to do. I would suggest some kind of Gigabyte p35 board. I have one isn they are very easy to get working, mainly due to their popularity amongst the IM crowd. There are pages of guides for GA-P35 boards.
I ran GeekBench several times on my machine and it averaged about 3700, which according to this site places me just below a baseline Mac Pro. You know what the coolest part is? This machine cost me a total of ~$600, aka just a bit more than the basic Mini. Not convinced yet? Well, you should be.

 

[Eidorian]

So I got a Gigabyte E45-DS3L board now. What should I do?

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

do you have the rest of the parts to build a computer? If not, you should probably work on that. Amd or intel cpu doesnt really matter, theres install discs for either, though i do suggest intel just because updating is a bit easier, imo. Pretty much any video card works, though i suggest an XFX Nvidia card, they have teh best warranty and i've always like Nvidia more than ATI. Any ram works, any hdd works, 99% of dvd drives work. If you want firewire (idk if that mobo has it onboard or not) pretty much any pci card works.

 

[Cave Man]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._its_mac_os_x_copies_are_legal_by_nature.html

Well, this is interesting. Maybe we will get a court to decide if it's OK to install OS X on a computer not built by Apple. I wonder how Apple will respond.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

Whether its allowed or not we will still do it.
I actually had 2 people ask me to check if their comps can run Leo just this week. People are getting fed up with apple and hac's are going to become more and more popular.

 

[DoFoT9]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._its_mac_os_x_copies_are_legal_by_nature.html

Well, this is interesting. Maybe we will get a court to decide if it's OK to install OS X on a computer not built by Apple. I wonder how Apple will respond.

"Apple, for its part, stands by its original claim that the Mac OS X licensing agreement clearly forbids installation on any non-Apple hardware."

that and that alone is the clear indicator of who will win this one lol... (well who SHOULD win in my mind anyways)

 

[dukebound85]

Whether its allowed or not we will still do it.
I actually had 2 people ask me to check if their comps can run Leo just this week. People are getting fed up with apple and hac's are going to become more and more popular.

among those that have free time to play around with the setups that is