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What describes you?

  • No way would I build a hackintosh

    Votes: 349 23.0%
  • I'd consider it if Apple doesn't provide a new Mini or headless iMac in the next three months

    Votes: 185 12.2%
  • I'm considering it right now

    Votes: 578 38.2%
  • I already built one

    Votes: 403 26.6%

  • Total voters
    1,515
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"Apple, for its part, stands by its original claim that the Mac OS X licensing agreement clearly forbids installation on any non-Apple hardware."

that and that alone is the clear indicator of who will win this one lol... (well who SHOULD win in my mind anyways)

Apple can say anything they want a court will decide that if that claim is true or not either way it is decided it will only apply to the US anyways...
 
among those that have free time to play around with the setups that is

You should check out some of the stuff ~pcwiz is doing. That guy is a genius. He actually created an app that reads your hardware info, searches an online database, and downloads/installs the drivers. All that is required is a working internet connection. He has actually made his own disc as well: iPC.
Ironically, i had someone else shoot me an email today about running osx on their dell laptop. In the tiger days i would have hesitated, but with the Voodoo kernel and all the patches pcwiz has made i would be comfortable with anyone running a hac, as long as they check with me before they update.
 
You should check out some of the stuff ~pcwiz is doing. That guy is a genius. He actually created an app that reads your hardware info, searches an online database, and downloads/installs the drivers. All that is required is a working internet connection. He has actually made his own disc as well: iPC.
Ironically, i had someone else shoot me an email today about running osx on their dell laptop. In the tiger days i would have hesitated, but with the Voodoo kernel and all the patches pcwiz has made i would be comfortable with anyone running a hac, as long as they check with me before they update.

oh i have, i use a lot of his apps actually

i still stand by my "if you have alot of free time" comment lol

i will say that before boot-132 and pc-wiz, the time getting the hackintosh running took loads longer than it does now
 
Apple can say anything they want a court will decide that if that claim is true or not either way it is decided it will only apply to the US anyways...

of course i know that, but IMO, if the court people are smart enough to come to that realisation themselves then apple should win.

over the past 2 weeks 5 person as ask me to build them a hackintosh
because they,ve seen mine in action

hope your making a considerable profit :p
 
of course i know that, but IMO, if the court people are smart enough to come to that realisation themselves then apple should win.

Just what would that be anyways? That Apple can somehow restrict the use of your legally purchased property let alone the restrict the use of the GPL software contained/used on the disk, I just don't get it somehow..
 
I am waiting for the pioneer to build a Hackintosh using this Gigabyte board sold by New Egg. Let us hear from you. This board will be my second Hackintosh.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128363&Tpk=ga-e7aum-ds2h

Already been done if you want the details then use Google with the board name and site:insanelymac.com on the end of the query to search their forum as the search on it sucks big time you should be able to find the rather long (15 pages) thread about it.
 
of course i know that, but IMO, if the court people are smart enough to come to that realisation themselves then apple should win.
Just what would that be anyways? That Apple can somehow restrict the use of your legally purchased property let alone the restrict the use of the GPL software contained/used on the disk, I just don't get it somehow..
Im with ya, MacUser. 20 years ago the standard was to bundle OS+hardware, but the paradigm has changed taking legal standards along with it. I dont believe that apple has some sacred right to heavily restrict their OS anymore.

hope your making a considerable profit :p

I hope he isnt. Guys like pcwiz, netkas, and the rest of the gang put a lot of work into this and never changed a dime. Making profit off of someone elses work is very disturbing.
 
Already been done if you want the details then use Google with the board name and site:insanelymac.com on the end of the query to search their forum as the search on it sucks big time you should be able to find the rather long (15 pages) thread about it.

Thanks for reminding me about that thread. I had forgotten about it.
 
Any advice? Here's my hardware and I have a spare hard drive to install anything on.

Gigabyte EP45-DS3L
6 GB DDR2-800
Pioneer IDE DVD-R/RW
SAPPHIRE 4830

I just need some pointers in the right direction.
 
Your setup ought to work well. Iirc, the p45 chips are osx-friendly so you should be good to go.
I would download iPC from the usual places, it has great compatibility from what i have seen. If you are on a core2duo or higher use the vanilla kernel, anything else use voodoo. You can use the voodoo on an intel if you would like, but i've had terrible experiences with it.
 
Just what would that be anyways? That Apple can somehow restrict the use of your legally purchased property let alone the restrict the use of the GPL software contained/used on the disk, I just don't get it somehow..

Im with ya, MacUser. 20 years ago the standard was to bundle OS+hardware, but the paradigm has changed taking legal standards along with it. I dont believe that apple has some sacred right to heavily restrict their OS anymore.



I hope he isnt. Guys like pcwiz, netkas, and the rest of the gang put a lot of work into this and never changed a dime. Making profit off of someone elses work is very disturbing.

so you guys are prepared to argue against apple and with paystar? you are willing to basically give apple away?

the way i see it, if apple is forced to support other hardware then it is going to go down the drain basically because they are to small to be able to support everything... even microsoft cannot support them all (and it shows). then when people find out it can be run on their everyday PC (without hacking etc), and it doesnt work properly they will all be like "oh its crap" la la la..

IMO..
 
MS doesnt write drivers for hardware, thats the manufacturers job. MS has a set of generic drivers that gets you started then the rest are added in via update or manual install.
Apple also wouldnt have to write drivers. Even if they did they could just take from the osx86 community, apple is good at taking other people's work and calling it their own.
If apple makes osx available to all computers they will easily sell millions more copies a year. They will be able to use this revenue to fund customer support (something that has been declining in the last few years anyway). Apple is gaining market share, its time they play with the big boys now. If they cant handle it then its no fault but their own.
 
no i dont make money from it. anyway i have not got the time to do it,
just making the point that hackintosh is here to stay
and i'm not sorry for apple.
has i've got a 20 imac with a broken display that apple want $900 to replace
and from my research it only cost about $150
i had to disconnect the internal and use a external monitor.
 
MS doesnt write drivers for hardware, thats the manufacturers job. MS has a set of generic drivers that gets you started then the rest are added in via update or manual install.
Apple also wouldnt have to write drivers. Even if they did they could just take from the osx86 community, apple is good at taking other people's work and calling it their own.
If apple makes osx available to all computers they will easily sell millions more copies a year. They will be able to use this revenue to fund customer support (something that has been declining in the last few years anyway). Apple is gaining market share, its time they play with the big boys now. If they cant handle it then its no fault but their own.

i know M$ doesnt write the drivers. but i think that if apple was forced to comply with the courts then they would feel obliged to write them. this is apple, they care about the performance of every computer that they use. that is why they only support a few models (profits would also play a big part im guessing).

it would not help apples image at all if 50% of "PC leopard users" couldnt get sound to work, or get their USB to work, etc when Apple has always claimed "It just works".
 
this is apple, they care about the performance of every computer that they use.

Is that why we have misaligned keyboards, exploding video cards, battery covers that dont fit, laptops that randomly stop sleeping, cracking iphone cases...
Apple QC isnt better than anyone else these days. They are on par with the rest of the market and are riding on the reputation of their former QC.
 
i know M$ doesnt write the drivers. but i think that if apple was forced to comply with the courts then they would feel obliged to write them. this is apple, they care about the performance of every computer that they use. that is why they only support a few models (profits would also play a big part im guessing).

it would not help apples image at all if 50% of "PC leopard users" couldnt get sound to work, or get their USB to work, etc when Apple has always claimed "It just works".

It is not drivers that need to be written for the most part anyways the vast majority of what we do to get it to work is modify a few Info.plist in already existing drivers that then work perfectly with it knowing that the PCID it sees in the system is to be used for that hardware. This being done by a bunch of people in their spare time now if you had real engineers going at it ...

Is that why we have misaligned keyboards, exploding video cards, battery covers that dont fit, laptops that randomly stop sleeping, cracking iphone cases...
Apple QC isnt better than anyone else these days. They are on par with the rest of the market and are riding on the reputation of their former QC.

Left out the cracking MacBook cases, monitor banding probably several other I can't think about now.
 
monitor banding

Are you referring the the "millions of colors" false advertisement? I was arguing with some fanboys about that for a while. They said that the human eye couldnt tell the difference between an actual "millions of colors" display and the one apple put in the machine anyway so it didnt matter. I argued that it did matter because regardless of whether it is observable or not they still knowingly marketed a product as better than it is which is illegal.
 
Is that why we have misaligned keyboards, exploding video cards, battery covers that dont fit, laptops that randomly stop sleeping, cracking iphone cases...
Apple QC isnt better than anyone else these days. They are on par with the rest of the market and are riding on the reputation of their former QC.

i thought that i said they care about the performance of their products, not the quality of them...

It is not drivers that need to be written for the most part anyways the vast majority of what we do to get it to work is modify a few Info.plist in already existing drivers that then work perfectly with it knowing that the PCID it sees in the system is to be used for that hardware. This being done by a bunch of people in their spare time now if you had real engineers going at it ...

yea good point, that being said, the work still needs to be done! so no matter what its still going to effect the performance of the OS, and if its not done right then it will fail. thus making people angry, frustrated, think the OS is inferior etcetc.
 
Since when are these unrelated?

hhmmmm (i took out the irrelevant definitions)

quality |ˈkwälətē|
noun ( pl. -ties)
1 the standard of something as measured against other things of a similar kind; the degree of excellence of

performance |pərˈfôrməns|
noun

2 the action or process of carrying out or accomplishing an action, task, or function :
• an action, task, or operation, seen in terms of how successfully it was performed :
• the capabilities of a machine or product, esp. when observed under particular conditions


ok seriously you dont know the difference? performance of the machine is how it runs! startup times, benchmarks, hard drive speeds, RAM timings, gaming performance.. the list goes on.

quality of the machine is how it looks, what the finish of the product is (whether it be good or bad), how all the components are soldered/connected/welded together..

yes bad quality MAY affect how the performance of the product, but never are they the same thing.
 
Dont be a douche. Obviously i know they have different meanings, thats why i asked about how they are related. Im going to take the high ground here and not post the definition of 'relative' because it seems you keep a dictionary on standby for when you run into words you dont know. Its hard to say your MBP preforms well when it cant even stay asleep. You assign it the simple task of not turning on and it cant handle it apparently.
By your theory its worth buying a rusted out civic if it has a new 302 in it, even if you cant take that engine and put it in another car. The engine performs well, but the car is still a rusted out civic.
A MBP may have osx in it, but if its plagued with hardware issues its not really performing the way it should, no?
 
Dont be a douche. Obviously i know they have different meanings, thats why i asked about how they are related. Im going to take the high ground here and not post the definition of 'relative' because it seems you keep a dictionary on standby for when you run into words you dont know. Its hard to say your MBP preforms well when it cant even stay asleep. You assign it the simple task of not turning on and it cant handle it apparently.

gotta love apple for putting the dictionary in Spotlight, or havent you ever used the awsome features of OSX?

i do not understand your MBP staying asleep analogy.. care to elaborate?

By your theory its worth buying a rusted out civic if it has a new 302 in it, even if you cant take that engine and put it in another car. The engine performs well, but the car is still a rusted out civic.
A MBP may have osx in it, but if its plagued with hardware issues its not really performing the way it should, no?

no that wasnt my theory. i said
(whether it be good or bad)
meaning that the quality COULD be different. it was simply saying that companies are different in making their product so it could be different quality. i wasnt talking about older machines with updated processors blah blah.


ok anyway to my point clear again, i care about the performance of the machine!
 
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