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What describes you?

  • No way would I build a hackintosh

    Votes: 349 23.0%
  • I'd consider it if Apple doesn't provide a new Mini or headless iMac in the next three months

    Votes: 185 12.2%
  • I'm considering it right now

    Votes: 578 38.2%
  • I already built one

    Votes: 403 26.6%

  • Total voters
    1,515
That would be good for a Time Machine backup device but you cannot boot from firewire on a PC it needs to be USB or at least I have never heard of one that has a firewire drive as a boot option in the BIOS anyways.
Sony computers can boot from firewire. I know have have seen a few others too (some ASUS motherboards I think), but you are right it is pretty rare.
 
The German computer magazine publishing house heise today wrote about this Russian company that is now also selling OS X compatible machines (but without OS X pre-installed, it has to be purchased separately, but the unmodified retail version of OS X can be installed on those computers).

It's for Russian speakers only, I'm afraid:
http://russianmac.ru/

So now we have three known OEMs that sell OS X compatible computers in three different parts of the world (USA, Germany, Russian Federation).

Apple would just be smart to remove that ridiculous last-millennium restriction from their EULA and embrace the OEM market instead.
 
Peeved with my hack

Thinking of trashing my hack and getting Ubuntu instead. Reasons why I'm peeved :-

1) It doesn't recognise my Microsoft 600 wired USB keyboard
2) None of the stuff in About This Mac is correct
3) Orange drive icons
4) Randomly omits the POST on boot
5) Screen sharing sometimes breaks the shift key
6) Some of the icons have colour bleed (could be the crap TV + cheap HDMI cable)
7) Can't set up MobileMe cos Apple will come over and shoot me
8) It could crash at any time
9) Sleep and shutdown kinda work but not all the time
10) Future software updates might not work
11) Activity Monitor CPU bars float about 1 inch from the bottom!
12) It doesn't *feel* like a Mac. I feel dirty.
13) It occasionally hangs
14) I want a Mac Pro, the hack feels like a poor compromise
15) I've had to mess with the BIOS to get it to work. With Ubuntu I can set the BIOS back to default and things will be more stable
16) I can't adjust the overscan, so the top menu is barely visible
17) I've probably omitted some really important kexts because there is no real guide to creating a hack

Just moaning really.

- Stew
 
Well, just to clarify, Mac software and hardware are not created by the same people per se, but they are very comfortably linked. For example, Apple didn't make the ATI RADEON card series, for instance. In fact, they don't make most of the hardware, but just rely on carefully selected manufacturers, which means their system works without a hitch on the hardware you get.

Hackintoshes are dangerous for serious work. Would you ever want to build one and run FCP with a huge video project? Of course not, because if that system were to hiccup on you, you could lose all of your work, fail to meet a deadline, or waste a lot of time. Also, each new OS update could "break" your current system. Any firmware updates would be dangerous to say the least. Additionally, if Apple introduced a new software feature into the OS to detect and disable Hackintosh use, you could find your time and money all for naught. And, it's also illegal.

Aside from that, I think it's interesting and it fascinates me. If I had lots of money to spare, I might try to do it, using my family license version of Leopard (which currently installed on only two computers, leaving three available).

But herein lies the problem: why would you? If it were to make a cheap machine to do daily tasks with the Mac OS (internet, mail, random games, media), not a big deal. But the real reason you would do it, I imagine, is to build a super machine without spending the big bucks on a Mac Pro. If you are building a super machine, you must be doing something super with it. Games on Mac OS X is ... well... they just aren't really there. So, if you're not gaming, you must be doing some sort of serious graphics/video work. In that case, you would be creating a very risky setup for such serious work. Sure, any system can crash and burn, but we gotta admit that a hacked system like this is definitely going to have a higher chance of doing so.

I totally and utterly agree
 
Thinking of trashing my hack and getting Ubuntu instead. Reasons why I'm peeved :-

1) It doesn't recognise my Microsoft 600 wired USB keyboard
2) None of the stuff in About This Mac is correct
3) Orange drive icons
4) Randomly omits the POST on boot
5) Screen sharing sometimes breaks the shift key
6) Some of the icons have colour bleed (could be the crap TV + cheap HDMI cable)
7) Can't set up MobileMe cos Apple will come over and shoot me
8) It could crash at any time
9) Sleep and shutdown kinda work but not all the time
10) Future software updates might not work
11) Activity Monitor CPU bars float about 1 inch from the bottom!
12) It doesn't *feel* like a Mac. I feel dirty.
13) It occasionally hangs
14) I want a Mac Pro, the hack feels like a poor compromise
15) I've had to mess with the BIOS to get it to work. With Ubuntu I can set the BIOS back to default and things will be more stable
16) I can't adjust the overscan, so the top menu is barely visible
17) I've probably omitted some really important kexts because there is no real guide to creating a hack

Just moaning really.

- Stew
1) Probably Apple's fault. Does it work on a real mac?
2) You need a different smbios, either way, this really doesnt affect your performance at all
3) Theres a fix for this: http://tinyurl.com/qjv67v
4) Doesnt sound like an OS X issue. The OS doesnt have anything to do with POST.
5) I dont use screen sharing so i cant help you.
6) Probably your tv/cable setup. This wouldnt be OSX's fault.
7) Apple already knows its a hack. Every time it checks for an update it sends Apple a hardware config list.
8) Any OS can crash at any time on any piece of hardware. You are really trying hard to find reasons to complain, eh?
9) Once again, google can fix this, but i'll save you 3 seconds OpenHlatRestart
10) This is valid, but if your install isnt broken why bother updating?
11) Aesthetics, but i understand. Either way, i assume its not affecting your workflow.
12) Who cares if it "feels" like a mac? What does a mac "feel" like? I jump from my hac to real Macs and dont even notice the difference.
13) Once again, have you googled the issue? You probably could have fixed all your issues in the time it took to type up this list.
14) i7's dont work on hacs yet (that i am aware of), so if you really need i7 for some reason go spend $2500 on it, i'll be happy waiting a month or two so i can spend $1000 on mine which will probably have better performance.
15) What settings? ACHI? Is it really that difficult to change some settings once?
16) What video card do you have? You probably just need proper drivers which (unsurprisingly) can be found in about 3 seconds with Google.
17) Excuse me while i write up a comprehensive guide detailing every single piece of hardware ever made. :rolleyes: Or! You could try putting a little effort into this yourself in stead of whining about it.
 
1) Probably Apple's fault. Does it work on a real mac?
2) You need a different smbios, either way, this really doesnt affect your performance at all
3) Theres a fix for this: http://tinyurl.com/qjv67v
4) Doesnt sound like an OS X issue. The OS doesnt have anything to do with POST.
5) I dont use screen sharing so i cant help you.
6) Probably your tv/cable setup. This wouldnt be OSX's fault.
7) Apple already knows its a hack. Every time it checks for an update it sends Apple a hardware config list.
8) Any OS can crash at any time on any piece of hardware. You are really trying hard to find reasons to complain, eh?
9) Once again, google can fix this, but i'll save you 3 seconds OpenHlatRestart
10) This is valid, but if your install isnt broken why bother updating?
11) Aesthetics, but i understand. Either way, i assume its not affecting your workflow.
12) Who cares if it "feels" like a mac? What does a mac "feel" like? I jump from my hac to real Macs and dont even notice the difference.
13) Once again, have you googled the issue? You probably could have fixed all your issues in the time it took to type up this list.
14) i7's dont work on hacs yet (that i am aware of), so if you really need i7 for some reason go spend $2500 on it, i'll be happy waiting a month or two so i can spend $1000 on mine which will probably have better performance.
15) What settings? ACHI? Is it really that difficult to change some settings once?
16) What video card do you have? You probably just need proper drivers which (unsurprisingly) can be found in about 3 seconds with Google.
17) Excuse me while i write up a comprehensive guide detailing every single piece of hardware ever made. :rolleyes: Or! You could try putting a little effort into this yourself in stead of whining about it.

Hi Smokey - thanks for the replies, I've just re-read my post and realised how whiney it is. You've given me some useful info - which I will follow up.

- Stew
 
Thinking of trashing my hack and getting Ubuntu instead. Reasons why I'm peeved :-
...
6) Some of the icons have colour bleed (could be the crap TV + cheap HDMI cable)
7) Can't set up MobileMe cos Apple will come over and shoot me
8) It could crash at any time
10) Future software updates might not work
12) It doesn't *feel* like a Mac. I feel dirty.
13) It occasionally hangs
14) I want a Mac Pro, the hack feels like a poor compromise
15) I've had to mess with the BIOS to get it to work. With Ubuntu I can set the BIOS back to default and things will be more stable
6. I do not have colour bleed on my Monitor so it's not a general Hackintosh issue.
7. They have not come to my house and i use MobileMe and it is registered with iTunes.
8. Why should it? Mine does not, but every computer can crash sometimes if Hardware is faulty or software badly written.
10. Then get a MacPro when OSX XYZ which is not installable on a Hackintosh comes out. Remeber to try upgrades out on a spare install/partition first.
14. Mine runs very fine, maybe because i bought only parts that are known to be "compatible", and used a .kext package custom tailored for my Motherboard.

But if you actually need a 8 Core MacPro with 16 Gig''s of Ram a Hackintosh does probably not fit your needs.
15. Maybe Ubuntu also runs better with your custom settings..., and hey you already did the "hard" work. A computer get's unstable when oveclocking too much, but not when you disable/enable virtualization features or AHCI.

Would you mind to post your current setup?
 
Hi, just a Quick Q.

Would it be possible to Hackintosh my Custom PC?

Intel Core2Duo E7400 @ 4Ghz
nVidia GTX275
4Gb DDR2 @ 800Mhz
Asus P5Q Pro Mobo
IDE DVD Drive
SATA HDD

Would like to Hackintosh to play around with it :D
 
Hi, just a Quick Q.

Would it be possible to Hackintosh my Custom PC?

Intel Core2Duo E7400 @ 4Ghz
nVidia GTX275
4Gb DDR2 @ 800Mhz
Asus P5Q Pro Mobo
IDE DVD Drive
SATA HDD

Would like to Hackintosh to play around with it :D

IDE DVD drive could be a problem as most times they will not work and from the thread on Insanelymac for a retail install on that series of boards lists an alternative BIOS for flashing so it looks like you will need to do that as well..

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=144020
 
My hack is back!

Ok, after my original rant, and 2 linux installs, I have settled for a new hack setup, based on my original (i.e. Cave Man's!). I'm pretty happy with my setup, as follows :-

1) My Microsoft 600 wired USB keyboard is working fine, apart from a few keys
2) About This Mac is still incorrect, but I'm not worried and will fix later
3) I fixed the orange drive icons using LegacyIOAHCIBlockStorage.kext
4) The POST is only omitted when I use HDMI with my cheap LCD, so no big deal
5) Screen sharing is working ok now
6) The icon colour bleed is down to the crap TV + cheap HDMI cable
7) Don't need MobileMe on the hack
8) I'll deal with crashes as and when they happen
9) Sleep and shutdown fully work since I reduced the graphics memory from 512MB to 256MB
10) I'll deal with each future software update as it comes
11) Activity Monitor CPU bars working ok now!
12) It feels just like a Mac - I'm very happy with it
13) It hasn't hung at all
14) The quad core Mac is a good machine, for a fifth of the price of a Mac Pro
15) The BIOS changes are small
16) The overscan is ok with a VGA monitor
17) If I find any more problems, then I'll install kexts as necessary

The best thing is that all 8GB of RAM is recognised, and Handbrake runs like a dream, using all 4 cores. Also my new Zalman CPU cooler keeps all 4 cores at 50C on full load - very happy! (Ran at 65C - 70C with stock fan).

Happy days!

- Stew
 
Hi, just a Quick Q.

Would it be possible to Hackintosh my Custom PC?

Intel Core2Duo E7400 @ 4Ghz
nVidia GTX275
4Gb DDR2 @ 800Mhz
Asus P5Q Pro Mobo
IDE DVD Drive
SATA HDD

Would like to Hackintosh to play around with it :D
I've used an IDE dvd drive (and hdd) on one of my hacks since 10.5.1 with no problems. That doesnt mean you wont have issues, but ide does work for some people. A bit problem with IDE is that it kernel panics when accessing 4gb ram, but there are patched IDE drivers for this and my 4gb can be used with ide drives great. My mobo has JMicron IDE controller, but every ide kext has been patched i think.
Idk if your video card will work or not. You will at least get 1024x768 with no hardware acceleration, but im not certain of full support.



IDE DVD drive could be a problem as most times they will not work and from the thread on Insanelymac for a retail install on that series of boards lists an alternative BIOS for flashing so it looks like you will need to do that as well..

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=144020

The bios might not need to be flashed if he is using iPC or some other pre-modded distro, maybe only if a vanilla install. Only one way to find out.... :D

Ok, after my original rant, and 2 linux installs, I have settled for a new hack setup, based on my original (i.e. Cave Man's!). I'm pretty happy with my setup, as follows :-

1) My Microsoft 600 wired USB keyboard is working fine, apart from a few keys
2) About This Mac is still incorrect, but I'm not worried and will fix later
3) I fixed the orange drive icons using LegacyIOAHCIBlockStorage.kext
4) The POST is only omitted when I use HDMI with my cheap LCD, so no big deal
5) Screen sharing is working ok now
6) The icon colour bleed is down to the crap TV + cheap HDMI cable
7) Don't need MobileMe on the hack
8) I'll deal with crashes as and when they happen
9) Sleep and shutdown fully work since I reduced the graphics memory from 512MB to 256MB
10) I'll deal with each future software update as it comes
11) Activity Monitor CPU bars working ok now!
12) It feels just like a Mac - I'm very happy with it
13) It hasn't hung at all
14) The quad core Mac is a good machine, for a fifth of the price of a Mac Pro
15) The BIOS changes are small
16) The overscan is ok with a VGA monitor
17) If I find any more problems, then I'll install kexts as necessary

The best thing is that all 8GB of RAM is recognised, and Handbrake runs like a dream, using all 4 cores. Also my new Zalman CPU cooler keeps all 4 cores at 50C on full load - very happy! (Ran at 65C - 70C with stock fan).

Happy days!

- Stew
You can try something like USB Overdrive and you might get your keys back. I assume its your multi-media keys that are acting funny, right? USB overdrive may or may not work, i only have a simple keyboard so i cant test it for you.
Now that i think about it, i sometimes have a blank screen on my dell tower until i get to the bootloader. It must have something to do with the BIOS, gfx card, and motherboard because it happens when i reboot windows sometimes. If i power down then back up again i can see it though.

Im glad you are getting everything in order. I didnt mean to sound snappy earlier, i just have a short temper with people that pick at the osx86 project for some reason, lol. If you need help with anything dont be afraid to ask, i'll try my best :D

What video card are you using? It seems to be the root of several problems in your setup. Most nVidia cards are supported, and quite a few ATI models, so unless you have something odd you might just need a driver fix.
 
I've had a quick look through what has become a giant thread and there seems to be some really helpful guys and gals in this thread, so I hope nobody has any objects to me throwing a few questions out there.

I want to turn my PC into a hackintosh. Does anybody see any problem with the following specs

AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual core 3800 (2ghz)
2gb Ram (I could put more in if required)
NVidia GFORCE 8600GTS
ECS NFORCE4m-a Motherboard
2x250gb sata drives

Is there a version of 10.x that will definitely work? I'd be happy to use a slightly earlier version of leopard or even tiger to make sure it worked.

Any help to set me on my way would be very much appreciated.
 
What video card are you using? It seems to be the root of several problems in your setup. Most nVidia cards are supported, and quite a few ATI models, so unless you have something odd you might just need a driver fix.

He's using the 9300 - the same as what's used in the current Mini, iMac, MB and MBP (except a tad slower clock speed) - on the P5N7A-VM. This is why this board is probably the easiest hackintosh to do.
 
I've had a quick look through what has become a giant thread and there seems to be some really helpful guys and gals in this thread, so I hope nobody has any objects to me throwing a few questions out there.

I want to turn my PC into a hackintosh. Does anybody see any problem with the following specs

AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual core 3800 (2ghz)
2gb Ram (I could put more in if required)
NVidia GFORCE 8600GTS
ECS NFORCE4m-a Motherboard
2x250gb sata drives

Is there a version of 10.x that will definitely work? I'd be happy to use a slightly earlier version of leopard or even tiger to make sure it worked.

Any help to set me on my way would be very much appreciated.

The only major concerns when it comes to hacs are the gfx card and mobo. For the most part, cpu doesnt even matter any more.
Im pretty sure your mobo will work, though theres nothing concrete written anywhere. Anyone prepping their first Hac should use iPC (you know where to find it :p ). When you install you will need the option of nForceATA drivers, the proper nvInject for how much gfx ram you have (i hate an 8600gt 128mb and its great in osx).

This image shows everything iPC can handle, so read it over and figure out what you might need before you jump in. You dont need to install any audio drivers from the disc, but make sure you get osx86tools because it will scan your hardware and install any drivers you dont have installed yet. This only works if you have ethernet, of course, so check into that. Some ethernet cards work without anything extra, but you can find what chipset it is in the owners manual, then search insanelymac for it.
You will need the Voodoo kernel for your amd, and with that you need the Seatbelt fix if you want to mount DMGs.
iPC installs 10.5.6, and theres really nothing crucial in 10.5.7 as far as i know, so i am staying at 10.5.6 myself.
 
The only major concerns when it comes to hacs are the gfx card and mobo. For the most part, cpu doesnt even matter any more.
Im pretty sure your mobo will work, though theres nothing concrete written anywhere. Anyone prepping their first Hac should use iPC (you know where to find it :p ). When you install you will need the option of nForceATA drivers, the proper nvInject for how much gfx ram you have (i hate an 8600gt 128mb and its great in osx).

This image shows everything iPC can handle, so read it over and figure out what you might need before you jump in. You dont need to install any audio drivers from the disc, but make sure you get osx86tools because it will scan your hardware and install any drivers you dont have installed yet. This only works if you have ethernet, of course, so check into that. Some ethernet cards work without anything extra, but you can find what chipset it is in the owners manual, then search insanelymac for it.
You will need the Voodoo kernel for your amd, and with that you need the Seatbelt fix if you want to mount DMGs.
iPC installs 10.5.6, and theres really nothing crucial in 10.5.7 as far as i know, so i am staying at 10.5.6 myself.

Great, thanks. That is certainly something to go on! On a scale of one to ten how hard do you think it will be? I'm a fairly proficient user. I've designed websites in css, javascript and html but never any driver hacks or anything - I'm a little intimidated.
 
8) I'll deal with crashes as and when they happen
13) It hasn't hung at all

The best thing is that all 8GB of RAM is recognised, and Handbrake runs like a dream, using all 4 cores. Also my new Zalman CPU cooler keeps all 4 cores at 50C on full load - very happy! (Ran at 65C - 70C with stock fan).
8) Did you already have crashes? And if yes when? Randomly, everytime you startup Toast, Run 15 DVD's through Handbrake batch encodes...
13) :D

Do not forget to make a clone of your working install, it looks like you now have everything set up/installed correctly... so you can easily "try again" (or finish important work) if you mess something up.
 
Already owning a Mac license, I have 'acquired' iPC final. Do I just burn it to a disk, click the options I think I need and give it a whirl, or do I need to start messing with the files before burning them to disk?

Do I need a + dvd or - dvd or doesn't it matter?
 
I totally and utterly agree

Well, I don't. Since when can you have enough power when it comes to computers? You would honestly turn down an offer from Apple to get a better graphics and a better cpu for free, if they did, because you have enough already? Good for you then.

Why should I be happy paying more and getting less when I can do the reverse. I'll have a powerful computer for games of which I can use all that power when doing my tasks as well, of which some is 3D. And yes, it's even more stable than my last Mac. It's even more silent. How do you think Apple build their prototypes?

Yes, it takes some knowledge in how to build computers properly and if I have that, what's wrong with spending that extra money I save, on something else that gains me instead of throwing the money at Apple? I've built excellent PC's for over 20 years. One time I even got an offer for designing a powerful and silent lineup for a company. Unfortunately, due to still being in school I turned it down back then. Now, if you don't have that knowledge or don't want to do the research then no, I wouldn't recommend you a Hackintosh.

Today it works and perhaps tomorrow it won't, but today is where we are now, and that is all that matters for now. As for Apple to invent some block for this, anything someone can invent, someone else can find a way around.

Mac's today are essentially cheap/normal pc's in a fancy box. You pay extra for the design. I know it may be hard to grasp. In fact, nVidia's chipsets don't have that much of a troublefree history, including harddisk corruption and other grave faults. Happily for us they figured that sh*t out though! :eek:
 
Do I have t o do anything in bios to get this thing to work? I'm trying to instal but it won't have any of it. Says something about being read only.

Does the partition on the HD have to be ntfs or fat or is there a way to make it htfs+ in windows?
 
Do I have t o do anything in bios to get this thing to work? I'm trying to instal but it won't have any of it. Says something about being read only.

Does the partition on the HD have to be ntfs or fat or is there a way to make it htfs+ in windows?

1. Burn the ISO file to any +r or -r (i prefer +r)
2. boot from that disc
3. partition as HFS+ (MUST be HFS)
4. install standard installtion
5. if standard installation doesnt work, play around with stuff.
6. enjoy :)
 
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