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The Merged Hackintosh Thread

What describes you?

  • No way would I build a hackintosh

    Votes: 349 23.0%

  • I'd consider it if Apple doesn't provide a new Mini or headless iMac in the next three months

    Votes: 185 12.2%

  • I'm considering it right now

    Votes: 578 38.2%

  • I already built one

    Votes: 403 26.6%
  • Total voters
    1,515
DoFoT9 said:
im a dreamer :rolleyes: :cool: nobody will change, they will want to keep getting cheaper and cheaper but have their profits rise. stupid people.

i would make the right choices if i was CEO ;) :D
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They don't want to invest in anything. Not R&D, people, or manufacturing facilities (recall the 1980's, where corporations were split up and sold off in pieces).

They're all under the delusion they don't have to make anything, as they can find a 3rd party company to do the work, and slap a brand name on it. Hence the complete loss of controll of design, etc.

I see it as the unwillingness to invest in a companies future, and take all the profits as soon as they're aquired (stock dividends). The company suffers, but no one cares. They only care about the short term, which is as much money as they can get their grubby hands on, even if it's by illegal means, or destroys the company it seems. Just look at the corporate meltdowns of very recent history, and it may not be over. :(
 
nanofrog said:
They don't want to invest in anything. Not R&D, people, or manufacturing facilities (recall the 1980's, where corporations were split up and sold off in pieces).

They're all under the delusion they don't have to make anything, as they can find a 3rd party company to do the work, and slap a brand name on it. Hence the complete loss of controll of design, etc.

I see it as the unwillingness to invest in a companies future, and take all the profits as soon as they're aquired (stock dividends). The company suffers, but no one cares. They only care about the short term, which is as much money as they can get their grubby hands on, even if it's by illegal means, or destroys the company it seems. Just look at the corporate meltdowns of very recent history, and it may not be over. :(
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is there anyway to fix it? i mean they are after short term profits - so say 1 year? 6 months? that will eventually become a long time! will they be expecting a month for quick profits? a week?

what can you do :confused: :eek: :eek:
 
DoFoT9 said:
is there anyway to fix it? i mean they are after short term profits - so say 1 year? 6 months? that will eventually become a long time! will they be expecting a month for quick profits? a week?

what can you do :confused: :eek: :eek:
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Well, they usually look from one quarter to the next. There may be some product development, but it's not much more than paper. In the end, they're at the whim/trends of the market directions the ODM's are following.

To really do anything, they'd have to go back to truly developing their own products. So an OEM methodology (design it themselves, and just have a 3rd party manufacture it to spec) would be one way, and the first step to get back to actually manufacturing their own gear. Assuming they come up with a product that sells well (good sales numbers & resulting profits), they could invest in their own manufacturing facilities. Intel is a good example of one electronics company that still does it all. They invest in R&D (have a dedicated cycle/plan in place), manufacture, and distribute their own products. This allows them to retain complete control from one stage to the next.
 
Imo, the problem comes from CEOs being paid outrageous paychecks and having massive severance packages. They can work for 5 years and get fired and just live off the severance package for the rest of their lives. Theres no need for them to care about the future of the company because they make enough money that they dont need ot work there for the rest of their lives. Look at the CEOs that ran the banks in to the ground. They made more money in a year than i'll probably make in my whole life, so they dont really have to care about anything long-term.
 
nanofrog said:
Well, they usually look from one quarter to the next. There may be some product development, but it's not much more than paper. In the end, they're at the whim/trends of the market directions the ODM's are following.

To really do anything, they'd have to go back to truly developing their own products. So an OEM methodology (design it themselves, and just have a 3rd party manufacture it to spec) would be one way, and the first step to get back to actually manufacturing their own gear. Assuming they come up with a product that sells well (good sales numbers & resulting profits), they could invest in their own manufacturing facilities. Intel is a good example of one electronics company that still does it all. They invest in R&D (have a dedicated cycle/plan in place), manufacture, and distribute their own products. This allows them to retain complete control from one stage to the next.
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understood. the investments needed to fund something like building your own manufacturing plants would be enormous - part of the reason why we are in this mess!! :(
 
NoSmokingBandit said:
Imo, the problem comes from CEOs being paid outrageous paychecks and having massive severance packages. They can work for 5 years and get fired and just live off the severance package for the rest of their lives. Theres no need for them to care about the future of the company because they make enough money that they dont need ot work there for the rest of their lives. Look at the CEOs that ran the banks in to the ground. They made more money in a year than i'll probably make in my whole life, so they dont really have to care about anything long-term.
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That's part of it too. If you have a CEO & other board members that want to look after the company in a long term sense, the profits are lower, as some of it will be reinvested into things like R&D (obviously if you expand to industries like insurance & banking, they don't produce physical products, but hopefully you get the idea :p). The shareholders get miffed though, and end up firing them due to low profits. CEO's are accutely aware of this, and manipulate things (or try to) in order to produce high dividends each quarter. It results in stupid decisions that run the companies into the ground. What made it worse, is they used "creative paper" to hide the damage until it hit critical mass, and the company failed. Result, the public is paying to bail out the companies that have faltered. The public as a whole, has really gotten the short end of the stick. :mad:
 
DoFoT9 said:
understood. the investments needed to fund something like building your own manufacturing plants would be enormous - part of the reason why we are in this mess!! :(
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Of course. The factories where ripped apart, and the tooling, etc. was sold off years ago.

I've researched this as I wanted to know more details, and it seems the deregulation passed primarily in the '80's was the beginning. Deregulation was furthered along over the years (multiple administrations, party in office didn't matter, as it occured during both Republican and Democratic administrations, using bipartisan votes). Ending in the mess we're in now. And trying to reverse it is an enormous undertaking. That seems to be the underlying reason Washington's stepped in to bail out the auto industry in the US. Just trying to keep one of the last manufacturing sectors remaining in tact.
 
nanofrog said:
Of course. The factories where ripped apart, and the tooling, etc. was sold off years ago.

I've researched this as I wanted to know more details, and it seems the deregulation passed primarily in the '80's was the beginning. Deregulation was furthered along over the years (multiple administrations, party in office didn't matter, as it occured during both Republican and Democratic administrations, using bipartisan votes). Ending in the mess we're in now. And trying to reverse it is an enormous undertaking. That seems to be the underlying reason Washington's stepped in to bail out the auto industry in the US. Just trying to keep one of the last manufacturing sectors remaining in tact.
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interesting. pathetic that it wasnt stopped earlier. they would HAVE to have known what would happen!

i just hope these bail outs will be sufficient enough to save us :eek:
 
DoFoT9 said:
interesting. pathetic that it wasnt stopped earlier. they would HAVE to have known what would happen!

i just hope these bail outs will be sufficient enough to save us :eek:
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Greed suppressed thier common sense, as they were in a "Bubble Economy", and didn't want to think the party would end. Stupid b@#$%^* :mad:
 
nanofrog said:
I find eBay usefull for things like cables, fans, and simple adapters (say 3.5" to 5.25" for example). :)
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I find the local shops to be a bit better to be honest. At least Fry's Electronics and a few of the smaller shops around here.

A few cents in tax and the instant gratification over shipping off of NewEgg or eBay for a cable, fan, or Arctic Silver.
 
Eidorian said:
I find the local shops to be a bit better to be honest. At least Fry's Electronics and a few of the smaller shops around here.

A few cents in tax and the instant gratification over shipping off of NewEgg or eBay for a cable, fan, or Arctic Silver.
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The shops around here don't even carry those items anymore. Computers, monitors, and printers. All consumer grade. Cables, adapters, fans,... "sorry, we don't carry those" is always the response. :rolleyes: It took awhile, as I kept holding out some hope, but now I've just given up, and order it.
 
DoFoT9 said:
none of those shops around here :(
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nanofrog said:
The shops around here don't even carry those items anymore. Computers, monitors, and printers. All consumer grade. Cables, adapters, fans,... "sorry, we don't carry those" is always the response. :rolleyes: It took awhile, as I kept holding out some hope, but now I've just given up, and order it.
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The local shops will carry the small things if you NEED IT NOW.

Fry's Electronics has the wholesale size to order up enough in volume. The aisles are ridiculously long as well. The cooling section takes up half of one. Good deals on the Antec P Series as and you don't pay for shipping. SATA, eSATA, SAS, Fibre, and SCSI galore.
 
Eidorian said:
The local shops will carry the small things if you NEED IT NOW.

Fry's Electronics has the wholesale size to order up enough in volume. The aisles are ridiculously long as well. The cooling section takes up half of one. Good deals on the Antec P Series as and you don't pay for shipping.
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too bad i dont live in america then aye ;)
 
Eidorian said:
The local shops will carry the small things if you NEED IT NOW.

Fry's Electronics has the wholesale size to order up enough in volume. The aisles are ridiculously long as well. The cooling section takes up half of one. Good deals on the Antec P Series as and you don't pay for shipping. SATA, eSATA, SAS, Fibre, and SCSI galore.
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That would only help if Fry's had put up a store here. :p I'm stuck with BestBuy, and a couple of local shops who work less hours than bankers. Those couple of stores usually have a couple of things, but not usually what I want (i.e. particular fan, such as Noctua model, cables are the wrong length/connector,...). I keep a stock of the stuff they could offer me, assuming I can even make it in time after work, as they aren't open on the way, and no weekend hours. Small town, so "Open on Weekends" is a foreign concept here. :eek: Seriously, unless it's fast food or WalMart type places.
 
I need a Frys around here. The closest one is in Indiana, which is 10 hours away lol.
Theres a small shop near my house but they are incredibly overpriced and barely have anything in stock.
 
nanofrog said:
Over 13k (2000 census), but just the other side of the river, the population is over 53k. It's Louisiana, afterall. :p
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no idea where it is or what its like :rolleyes: where i go to uni the population gets starts to get into the hundreds of thousands - but that is over the border and we dont like those people :D ;)
 
DoFoT9 said:
no idea where it is or what its like :rolleyes: where i go to uni the population gets starts to get into the hundreds of thousands - but that is over the border and we dont like those people :D ;)
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I'm not from where I'm at now. Orginally, I'm from Orlando, which is a little over 2M. What a difference. For the worst. :p
 
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