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You are talking about selling the 42 Sport at half the current price! Assuming that the $50 for a Sports band is pure profit, you'll have to get someone to buy 4 extra bands to make up the $200 difference. And you've got to admit, price conscious consumers who find $350-400 too expensive for a smart watch are the least likely to buy extra bands.

Also, does this hypothetical $200 watch have all the same features as the $350-400 watch?

I'm inclined to say Apple does know what it's doing with the pricing. Maybe next year, they'll offer the older models for $50-100 less, and that way the price-conscious consumers will have something to buy. But it's okay if not everyone buys a watch this year. The platform is still developing, and the truth is, early adopters are beta testing this thing. If those people who think $350-400 is too expensive buy one this year, many of them will probably end up returning it, because it doesn't "just work."

It wouldn't be the first time Apple chopped the price of s first Gen product and we all know how that went.
 
If it was priced at $200 to start then that would just be the price, it wouldn't be half of anything. $200 may be a bit low but $400 feels a bit high at the entry level.

What does that even mean? If you slice the price in half then it's the new base?

However you want to twist it, you like the product but want it for half the price. Fair enough, but not very realistic.
 
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It wouldn't be the first time Apple chopped the price of s first Gen product and we all know how that went.

If you are talking about the time they "lowered" the price of the first gen iPhone, they didn't chop the price in half. They arranged for AT&T to subsidize the iPhone so Apple still got the money from a full price sale.
 
What does that even mean? If you slice the price in half then it's the new base?

However you want to twist it, you like the product but want it for half the price. Fair enough, but not very realistic.

No, what I mean is that if it was originally priced at $200 then we wouldn't be halving anything. Nowhere have I suggested that I want it for half the price or that $200 would be an appropriate price.
 
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i keep going back and forth between the SG Sport and the SBSS. This is the second time i picked them both up and trying them on to see which i like better. Im not sure i can justify the extra $200 on the SS, especially the fact that its a scratch magnet just like the regular SS and you can't do anything about it! Honestly, when i had them both about 2 month ago and returned them, i didn't miss any of it at all. Its just not a necessity, only a toy. I prefer my Jaeger LeCoultre and Seiko watches tbh..
 
If you are talking about the time they "lowered" the price of the first gen iPhone, they didn't chop the price in half. They arranged for AT&T to subsidize the iPhone so Apple still got the money from a full price sale.

You have an iPhone in your hands for $400 instead of $600?

Instead of paying $350 for an Apple Watch you'd be paying $200?

Plus I think the day when apple dropped the price of he iPhone it was raining in Texas.


There are plenty of people who returned or sold their watch stating they would've kept it at a $200 price range.
 
No, what I mean is that if it was originally priced at $200 then we wouldn't be halving anything. Nowhere have I suggested that I want it for half the price or that $200 would be an appropriate price.
Yeah and if I could get a BMW for $20.000 I wouldn't need a discount.. Still doesn't make any sense at all...
 
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i keep going back and forth between the SG Sport and the SBSS. This is the second time i picked them both up and trying them on to see which i like better. Im not sure i can justify the extra $200 on the SS, especially the fact that its a scratch magnet just like the regular SS and you can't do anything about it! Honestly, when i had them both about 2 month ago and returned them, i didn't miss any of it at all. Its just not a necessity, only a toy. I prefer my Jaeger LeCoultre and Seiko watches tbh..

Dude, so many things in life are not necessities. You really need that latest model iPhone? Sure you need that 70 inch tv? And so on...

The point is, if you can't afford the watch you're not in apples target demographic. I'm also surprised that a watch enthusiast like yourself only found the Apple Watch to be a toy. I personally couldn't go back to a non smart watch now.
 
Yeah and if I could get a BMW for $20.000 I wouldn't need a discount.. Still doesn't make any sense at all...
You seem to be having a really tough time with this so let me attempt to help you. Night Spring wrote: "Assuming that the $50 for a Sports band is pure profit, you'll have to get someone to buy 4 extra bands to make up the $200 difference."
Ok, pay attention to this next part...
All I am suggesting is that IF the watch had originally been priced at $200 then there would be nothing to "make up." It would have just been the price as it always was and Apple wouldn't be missing anything. That's all. I am not saying that the watch should be $200. I am not asking Apple to give me a discount. I, and many others, are simply saying that an entry-level price of $400 for the 42mm feels a bit high. I know we are all supposed to gather here to sing the praises of Apple and chant in support of everything they do, but perhaps you can try to understand that it is possible for some people to disagree with something they've done.
 
You seem to be having a really tough time with this so let me attempt to help you. Night Spring wrote: "Assuming that the $50 for a Sports band is pure profit, you'll have to get someone to buy 4 extra bands to make up the $200 difference."
Ok, pay attention to this next part...
All I am suggesting is that IF the watch had originally been priced at $200 then there would be nothing to "make up." It would have just been the price as it always was and Apple wouldn't be missing anything. That's all. I am not saying that the watch should be $200. I am not asking Apple to give me a discount. I, and many others, are simply saying that an entry-level price of $400 for the 42mm feels a bit high. I know we are all supposed to gather here to sing the praises of Apple and chant in support of everything they do, but perhaps you can try to understand that it is possible for some people to disagree with something they've done.

I'm confused now man. Lolz.

So you're saying Apple introduces the watch at 200 and then make their profit from overpriced accessories?

Think about how small everything has to be to fit in that small frame, 400 is not a bad price for what it is.
 
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If apple had originally set a smaller profit margin then there would be no need to make up for the reduced retail price.
 
All I am suggesting is that IF the watch had originally been priced at $200 then there would be nothing to "make up."

And the point I've been trying to make is that Apple couldn't offer the watch as it is at $200 and still make a profit. It's not like it only costs Apple $10 to make the watch and then they arbitrarily price it whatever they want. All things considered, if they sold the watch for $200, they'd probably be operating at a loss.
 
And the point I've been trying to make is that Apple couldn't offer the watch as it is at $200 and still make a profit. It's not like it only costs Apple $10 to make the watch and then they arbitrarily price it whatever they want. All things considered, if they sold the watch for $200, they'd probably be operating at a loss.
Totally agree 1,000,000%
 
And the point I've been trying to make is that Apple couldn't offer the watch as it is at $200 and still make a profit. It's not like it only costs Apple $10 to make the watch and then they arbitrarily price it whatever they want. All things considered, if they sold the watch for $200, they'd probably be operating at a loss.

Which model watch cannot be sold as is and make a profit? Reports are out that it costs Apple less than $84 to manufacture.

What features over the Gen 1 moto 360 does the Apple Watch offer that isn't software based?

Almost seems troll like to suggest that apples mark ups aren't higher than most other brands.

They most definitely can make a profit at the $200 range. Even $250 would be acceptable
 
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Which model watch cannot be sold as is and make a profit? Reports are out that it costs Apple less than $84 to manufacture.

What features over the Gen 1 moto 360 does the Apple Watch offer that isn't software based?

Almost seems troll like to suggest that apples mark ups aren't higher than most other brands.

They most definitely can make a profit at the $200 range. Even $250 would be acceptable

$84 I believe is the cost of material. It doesn't take into account the cost of research and development, or operating costs. If Apple sold the watch at $200 they'd barely make even. Gen 1 Moto is being sold now at sharp discount to get rid of inventory.

If Apple's markups are so high, how do you explain Microsoft Band for $250?
 
Say the cost to make an Apple Watch is even $90.

At $350 that's almost a 400% markup for the base model watch not to mention if you want a leather strap that's another $100.

If Apple's markups are so high, how do you explain Microsoft Band for $250?

It's $100 less which is where a lot of people are saying the Apple Watch should be priced at.
 
$84 I believe is the cost of material. It doesn't take into account the cost of research and development, or operating costs. If Apple sold the watch at $200 they'd barely make even. Gen 1 Moto is being sold now at sharp discount to get rid of inventory.

If Apple's markups are so high, how do you explain Microsoft Band for $250?

You think Microsoft are selling cheap to crack into the market? The ms band is not even in the smart watch space, the long display doesn't work when worn as a watch. Worn inside the wrist kind of works for reading the display easily but still, nice experiment by Microsoft. Remember the turd brown zune player? Lolz.
 
It's $100 less which is where a lot of people are saying the Apple Watch should be priced at.

It is $100 less for a product that is inferior in quality to the Apple Watch. If Apple Watch should be priced at $250, then the Band should be... about $170? Maybe less?
 
You think Microsoft are selling cheap to crack into the market? The ms band is not even in the smart watch space, the long display doesn't work when worn as a watch. Worn inside the wrist kind of works for reading the display easily but still, nice experiment by Microsoft. Remember the turd brown zune player? Lolz.

You misunderstood me. See my response to eyeseeyou.
 
It is $100 less for a product that is inferior in quality to the Apple Watch. If Apple Watch should be priced at $250, then the Band should be... about $170? Maybe less?

Inferior in quality? So you've tried it?

I guess to your arguement a product is worth what people are willing to pay for it. If people are willing to pay $200 for an "inferior" product then that's what Microsoft should pay.

That being said there are about 24 pages of discussion on how why people have sold their Apple Watch and most of these people are saying its not worth the price tag. So technically they paid the price of admission but also didn't feel like they got their money's worth. Whatever a premium $350-400 smart watch a lot of people don't feel and Apple Watch fits that description
 
Inferior in quality? So you've tried it?

I've tried it on in Microsoft Stores. It's uncomfortable to the touch, and not something I'd want to wear all day. It's clear to me that Apple Watch is built from higher quality materials.

I haven't tried the Band's technical features, but as a device that is meant to be worn all day, the Band misses the first hurdle, comfort to wear. It could be the most advanced technical device ever, and if it's uncomfortable to wear, it's useless.

But also, I think that the people who find the Apple Watch too expensive for what it does have a perfectly reasonable point of view, and they are right to return it. Apple Watch as it is isn't ready for mass adoption. Neither was the original iPhone, which I passed on. It took 2-3 gens before iPhone became so widely adopted that it seemed everyone had one. There was a phrase where having an iPhone made you part of a niche, early adopter group. I think the Apple Watch is still at the early adopter stage, and it remains to be seen whether ir will become widely adopted. I just don't think that lowering the price, or building a cheaper version of the Watch using inferior materials, is the answer to speeding up mass adoption of the Watch.
 
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Inferior in quality? So you've tried it?

I guess to your arguement a product is worth what people are willing to pay for it. If people are willing to pay $200 for an "inferior" product then that's what Microsoft should pay.

That being said there are about 24 pages of discussion on how why people have sold their Apple Watch and most of these people are saying its not worth the price tag. So technically they paid the price of admission but also didn't feel like they got their money's worth. Whatever a premium $350-400 smart watch a lot of people don't feel and Apple Watch fits that description

Haven't tried it, and actually like that MS is trying something different, but please don't compare them.. Totally different size displays, materials and build quality - The AW is a really well made product - Of course it's not for everyone, but it's a quality piece.

And to me that's the first and most important thing the AW needs to be - a nice watch... And it really is...
 
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And to me that's the first and most important thing the AW needs to be - a nice watch... And it really is...

Before owning an Apple Watch I wore a g-shock 99% of the time because of my physical activity(5-6 gym days). It costs maybe $120.

For "dressy" occasions I have a michael kors al black metallic watch(maybe $200?) and a leather strapped movado watch($400 at the time).

It could just be me but most "nice" men's watches I've seen are round not rectangular.

Not saying they don't exist or aren't nice but when you say the Apple Watch may not be for everyone I may be in that group as far as wanting a "nice" watch.
 
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