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The morality of pirating and EULA
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I can choose the path of amorality without losing any sleep about it. As long as big corporations are ripping people off, many will resist it. By not playing the game by their rules. I'm one of them. 
I paid for Lion, though I'm not entirely sure why still. However Snow Leopard and a load of other bits and bobs "just appeared" when I needed them.
Sorry Apple. Sorry Microsoft. Sorry Adobe. :roll eyes: Please accept my apologies. But no, I'm not going to reform.
I paid for Lion, though I'm not entirely sure why still. However Snow Leopard and a load of other bits and bobs "just appeared" when I needed them. Sorry Apple. Sorry Microsoft. Sorry Adobe. :roll eyes: Please accept my apologies. But no, I'm not going to reform.
I don't pirate. I just find it wrong, and I can't get myself to save the money by pirating. If I were to pirate, that just makes it that much more costly for the people who are actually paying for their whatever that I'm supposedly torrenting.
In music, if I like that artist, then I'll definitely buy it in someway. If it's worth it for me to listen to, then they should be given monetary credit for their work.
In music, if I like that artist, then I'll definitely buy it in someway. If it's worth it for me to listen to, then they should be given monetary credit for their work.
So you think Photoshop would be cheaper if people didn't pirate it? Wishful thinking.
You know that converting from youtube to mp3 for personal use is legal under fair use laws? Just like recording off the radio. Why should i pay for music?
That might be it, most people i associate with daily are in their 20's or 30's. And they never have a problem with me upgrading them to lion or installing microsoft office for them. I also have a nasty little habit of taking my windows friends xp/vista laptops and wiping the hard drive and putting a fresh copy of windows 7 ultimate on them.
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I can choose the path of amorality without losing any sleep about it. As long as big corporations are ripping people off, many will resist it. By not playing the game by their rules. I'm one of them.
Sorry Apple. Sorry Microsoft. Sorry Adobe. :roll eyes: Please accept my apologies. But no, I'm not going to reform.
Microsoft office full version with W A E O P OneNote Project $10 from work.
Well over $400 retail
I know corporate licensing and all but come on.
So you think Photoshop would be cheaper if people didn't pirate it? Wishful thinking.
I never said that?
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Funny piracy story;
I spent nine months working on a project. I released that project in the middle of the night, by the morning it was already on torrent sites after one sale. It used a pay what you want system and 50% of the sales went to charity (Japanese Red Cross, it was just after the earthquake and I had used up all my savings. It was the least I could do.). The pirate paid the bare minimum, which costs me money in Paypal fees.
I had to take it down, add DRM and release an update that crashed out the pirated copies. This took several weeks additional work. I noticed the accounts that used the pirated copy never bought a new one, but were more than willing to use my server and bandwidth. I continued the 50% donation system after that.
What wonderful human beings.
I dont do it for music...much easier to use Pandora and Slacker and it doesnt require me to have storage for all of the songs.
Now for school when I have to do homework and the demos they give you dont work beyond seeing the interface and the program cost anywhere from $10k to $100k of course I am going to pirate it. If you want your program to be used in industry and taught in schools, then you should offer a damn demo or student version that we can afford and use. Autodesk for instance, I can get any one of there programs for something like 180 days for free...Dassualt Systems who has Solidworks also does the same thing and even has a completely free CAD program called DraftSight which is similar to Autocad and uses the same file type. Mastercam on the other hand, they dont offer jack to students.
Other than that, I dont really use anything else. If I need to watch a tv show, I use Hulu. Rarely ever watch a movie and I have an xbox for gaming.
Now for school when I have to do homework and the demos they give you dont work beyond seeing the interface and the program cost anywhere from $10k to $100k of course I am going to pirate it. If you want your program to be used in industry and taught in schools, then you should offer a damn demo or student version that we can afford and use. Autodesk for instance, I can get any one of there programs for something like 180 days for free...Dassualt Systems who has Solidworks also does the same thing and even has a completely free CAD program called DraftSight which is similar to Autocad and uses the same file type. Mastercam on the other hand, they dont offer jack to students.
Other than that, I dont really use anything else. If I need to watch a tv show, I use Hulu. Rarely ever watch a movie and I have an xbox for gaming.
Sorry to tell you, but you totally set your self up for that. I can't even feel bad for you. Pay what you want is a proven failure (ask panera bread), and you should have put DRM on the very first release to save yourself the trouble of doing it later.
I don't know what Panera bread is, but PWYW works in my industry. Years back I made a very comfortable living off it. And DRM isn't what people want, it can cause problems with legit customers. At first I valued the end-users experience so I didn't plan for it (also it costs a fortune, which is why small developers don't use it).
This is interesting. There's vitriol for large companies that don't care about users, that can afford to have their products pirated. But the small guy gets "I can't even feel bad for you" because they wanted the best and most flexible experience for the end-user.
That's just how it is. If you release an app that's as simple as a dmg with no protection, it will be copied. Personally, i don't even know how devs made money in the early Mac days, because people used to just trade floppies with software and there were no online updates or DRM.
I pirate. A lot. About 6TB of media (almost all 1080p movies.) I don't feel bad stealing movies from big time movie makers- they have more than enough people paying for **** movies to allow them to produce a good few every few years. I steal almost all video games too. I've had a hacked
360 with 40-50 burned games, a PC full of new releases that are cracked (Skyrim, MW3, etc.)
I have no problems doing it- don't feel bad
at all.
Not to sound like an OWS protestor, but **** the corporations- they can rob the majority, but not me.
360 with 40-50 burned games, a PC full of new releases that are cracked (Skyrim, MW3, etc.)
I have no problems doing it- don't feel bad
at all.
Not to sound like an OWS protestor, but **** the corporations- they can rob the majority, but not me.
Agreed 100%. The movie industry has some damn nerve selling movies and trying to tell me what devices i can and cannot play them on. I would rather have them stored DRM free where i can use them wherever i want. I usually stream them to my apple tv.
There's a difference between pirating and breaking the EULA.
Running a hackintosh with an not-paid for copy of OS X Lion = Pirating
Running a hackintosh with a purchased copy of OS X Lion = Breaking EULA
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Yeah i know, i just combined both into one thread for argument sake because i know there are many people who are equally against breaking the terms of an EULA as they are pirating. Also, say i bought a hard copy of snow leopard, and the EULA says i can only install it on one Mac, but i install it on 100 Macs, many people would consider that pirating, so in many ways the two tie in together. I noticed this topic often comes up in various threads that are totally unrelated to this topic, so i decided to just make one thread where people can discuss pirating and things related to it.
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I never said you should. I said that's my reasoning. You can pirate if you want.
Is this what you're doing?
Because it costs money. Why pay for milk in the grocery store? Because that's the number on the price tag.
Okay, but your own thread is proof as to why the movie industry needs to use DRM. You're not pirating because you are upset about the DRM. You're pirating because you don't respect the studio's rights to set a price for their movies. So if I'm a studio exec reading this, why on earth would I release a DRM free movie?
You don't want to pay for movies, music, or software. Okay, so go steal them. You're not going to get in trouble and it's a relatively small and inconsequential crime. But get off the high horse. You're *stealing*, not sticking it to the man or protesting against the excesses of big business. You're getting something for free because you can. There's no moral justification here, so stop groping for one.
Mostly I pirate due to convenience and quality. I want to buy Lossless Music and iTunes doesn't offer them. I don't mind purchasing a CD at times, but the convenience of downloading lossless files within the comfort of my own room instantly seems more appealing to me.
It's wrong. It's stealing. I hope your mother is very proud of you.
Do you work for a living? Should your company's customers be able to purchase your product and then give another out of your warehouse to everyone they know who might want that product for free? Are you ok with that? Do you think your company will be able to pay you next month?
Who do you think taught me how to use napster when i was 8?
Moot point. I work for a gym, but for argument sake let's pretend i work for a company that sells objects. It would be wrong to steal those objects because the company would have less objects to sell. The companies don't lose anything when i copy data, and i would have never paid for it anyway, so they can't count it as a loss.
For individual songs yes, and that's a lot of them for me. Not big on full albums.
Again, the law disagrees with you. Piracy, legally, is theft. So until you start your own country and write your own laws, you're stealing.
Here's a challenge question: why do *you* think people pay for intellectual property? Lots of us have the technological know-how to steal movies, software, music, and yet choose to pay good money for something that we could get for free. Why do you think we do that?
No, it's not. It's copyright infringement. No one goes to jail for downloading music.
No clue. I can't even begin to get into that mindset because I've never done it.
True, but there is a criminal liability attached. My original point holds. You might say it is okay, but you're making up your own law and ignoring the one that we live by.
You have so little imagination? Try and guess.
Actually you can get up to 5 years of jail time for copyright infringement, which is illegal. Your statement makes no sense, and is not grounded in reality. Educate yourself please.