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No headphone jack. Want SD slot? Spend more money on the plus version. And the lack of space excuse is stupid here when Samsung can put a stylus inside the phone. Worse, the latest Exynos is not even catching up to the A12.
Also it’s hilarious that many youtubers and people are going gaga over the shimmery shell, when Huawei, Xiaomi, and practically all Chinese OEMs have done so on their much cheaper phones.

The amount of people praising this $1k overpriced phone is beyond silly.


It's the same amount of people that praise an $1k over priced iphone... Its the same people who praise apple and their phones cost more.. LOL That's whats silly.


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The amount of people praising this $1k overpriced phone is beyond silly.

Everything is relative. In comparison, $900 iPhone Xr 256GB is an overpriced piece of ugly low tech junk. LCD vs OLED, near 720p vs 1080p, no pen input, crappy Intel radio vs Qualcomm, dumb Siri vs Google Assistant, cheap design/finish, etc. It should be $400 max.
 
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Fine phone, but overall pretty mediocre. Nothing different than the rest of the Android manufacturers. I’m not sure how Samsung can really differentiate themselves and charge what they do. They need to really give up on the high end and work to combat the rest of the lower cost options that are available.
 
I try to stay away from these threads but some replies - like the one you quoted - REALLY grind my gears. The amount of negativity and elitism (this is present on both sides) really disgusts me. I have an iPhone XS Max and Note 9 (will be a Note 10+ later today) and use them both. I switch phones out of boredom every few weeks (lol) and they are BOTH fantastic devices, each with its own pros and cons and things it brings to the table over the other. But holy crap, people need to relax and get off their high horses...they're literally just phones!

Thank you! The ideas that one of the companies or OS's is miles ahead is just silly.
 
If you think that your car's navigation is even closely comparable to Android Auto, you are living in a bubble. Get the Moto G7 Play and see what you are missing. You will not believe how inferior built-in navigation is, and I don't care which one it is unless you are driving a Tesla and have built-in Google Maps. But, besides being able to find basically anything you throw at Android Auto and invoke the best navigation system available with live traffic, constant traffic updates, alternative routes with alternative arrival times at every intersections, etc., Google Assistant has so many other features that you never know you are missing unless you try them. It can answer so many questions; it can translate to foreign languages, it can give you weather anywhere in the world, it can give you stock prices, currency conversion, 15-minute news summary for the day, answer all kinds of questions your kids have in the back, play games with your kids, tell jokes, sing songs, play riddles, etc. And, you keep discovering new things it can do every day. It's a treasure trough of knowledge and entertainment.

My son studies French in a French immersion school. I set Google Assistant for both English and French, and my son interacts with Google Assistant in French while I drive him to school. It's so cool that he can invoke all these features in it in French and Google Assistant interacts with my son in French. Every time we have an argument about how to translate something to French, we ask Google Assistant in Android Auto. It's freaking unbelievable. I tried to replicate this experience with CarPlay, and even though it can do several of those things, they are on a much lower level, and most of these things it can't even do. There is nothing like being able to answer numerous questions that you kids throw at you with a push of a steering-wheel button, which Android Auto does amazingly well, and Siri mostly struggles and very rarely able to provide any answers of value. Besides all of that, Google Assistant can also control your smart home appliances from the car if you decide to migrate your phone from HomeKit to Google.

As for the fact that Motorola G7 Play may have some negative reviews, please understand that I intentionally bought one of the least expensive Android phones because all I'm using the phones for is Android Auto, which Motorola G7 Play handles amazingly well (no delay, no latency, no hesitation). The phone is permanently connected in the car, so it's left there with the interior temperatures climbing well above 100F (perhaps as high as 150F) when the car sits in the sun for a while. Yet, every time I handle that phone, I can't help but think what a nice piece of hardware it is.

Obviously, if I were buying an Android phone to be my personal smartphone, I would buy something more upscale, but I would still end up with 1/3 the price of iPhone Xs Plus for a similar quality and functionality. I don't mind paying more for nice things; in fact, my life credo is not to buy junk and pay more for things that are of superior quality and last longer. However, Android phones have become so nice for a fraction of the price that it makes no sense anymore to buy phones three-to-four times as expensive that provide a similar functionality.

We will keep our iPhones for a few more years, but I can see us switching to Android at that point not because I hate Apple (I don't) and not because I can't afford iPhones (I can), but because it makes no sense to spend thousands of dollars more for similar quality and functionality. By that time, we may also switch to non-Apple computers in our household after having been 100% Apple for over a decade. That is for the same reason - the price is no longer justifiable. The rumored 16" MacBook Pro will start at $3000, whereas you can buy an excellent analogous non-Apple computer made of premium materials and components for half the price. Even though I despise Windows, I may go back to Windows just because I disagree on principle with paying $3,000 for a laptop.

Apple must realize that charging over $1500 and up for a phone and over $3,000 for a decent-screen-size laptop are insane prices that a lot of Apple's customers are no longer willing to pay. Apple must start innovating again for it to become attractive for me in the same way that I got attracted to Apple's products a couple decades ago.
We could certainly argue about which bubble is better, however, I don't like google maps and imo, apple maps is better at some things, google maps is better at others. Accuracy is up for debate. However, I like NOT depending on a cell signal for navigation and high-end car navigation systems are very good. So pick your bubble.

As far as your use case, it's your use case and pick your smart assistant. Android your pick much stuck with google assistant. IOS Siri. Glad your son can do whatever it he does and it works for you.

As far as the G7, yes I did acknowledge it's a throw-away phone, something the Note and Max aren't. But you do have to pay for another line, unless you swap sims.

Our family (about 40 of us with 2 androids and 38 iphones) will not be switching to android anytime soon. There are way too many things ios does very conveniently for our use cases and it seems we find ios and iphone better for our use cases. Again, it's about the style, which is why the Civic can't put Mercedes S class out of business.

And by the way, my 256 max didn't cost $1500. It's definitely more than a P30 or some other android phones, but I'll either keep the phone or resell it. Resale better is better than android anyway.

Pay a tax be it apple or google and enjoy what you pay for.
 
I agree, but minus the cost of hardware incorporated in an iPhone (less RAM, smaller, lower res screens, less storage etc.), IOS is costing users probably > $500 premium over Android. Is the software really that much better?
Guess, it depends on the phone but for the best android phones, the price difference is not $500.
For me it is still worth it. The apple eco system is very good and is worth the money.
 
That’s assuming in all the situations you ask people to take a picture for you there’s going to be a place to lean your phone against while you use the S-Pen to take a photo. The phone doesn’t hang in the air, for example, when you’re at the beach, on a tour of the city, or hiking in the forest, you know that?
the phone also can have a case, that has a kick stand on the back, you know that?
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or use your Apple Watch to click your iPhone camera. Now that is useful!

I could possibly see stylus for converting notes to text, but otherwise seems like more of a burden on a phone than a help. You could try it on any phone (possibly without the text conversion), cause any phone that can use a finger, can use a capacitive stylus. That being said, they have never caught on after years. So, is it a feature, or a gimmick?

3d scanning - typical Samsung. Good idea, crappy implementation.
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so true. I hear the stylus also tracks your workouts and can make calls. LOL
so to do that all you gotta do is buy a apple watch, how convenient! thats one expensive alternative.
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or use your Apple Watch to click your iPhone camera. Now that is useful!

I could possibly see stylus for converting notes to text, but otherwise seems like more of a burden on a phone than a help. You could try it on any phone (possibly without the text conversion), cause any phone that can use a finger, can use a capacitive stylus. That being said, they have never caught on after years. So, is it a feature, or a gimmick?

3d scanning - typical Samsung. Good idea, crappy implementation.
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so true. I hear the stylus also tracks your workouts and can make calls. LOL
thats doesn't even make any sense.
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if you took that kind of thing better buy a real DSLR
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hold it for a long time like your S10+? you switched at the right time with the death of touch wiz? but you had also S8 and note 8...so you contradict yourself so...hmmm why are you lying to us?
the best camera is the one you have with you, my canon is big and clunky, never bring with me unless i know i'm gonna need it, my phone is always with me, and to be able to take picture with the stylus is great idea no matter which camp you from.
 

You know what I mean. Apple still have decent sized bezels around the edges of their phones.
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I have to admit that the screen/small bezels look good on the Note 10.

Unfortunately, if the mockups are accurate, there will be very little change in the upcoming iPhone form factor apart from a square camera bump. Things are stagnating in the iPhone design department.

At the end of the day phones are going to keep on being rectangles unless we are getting them injected into our temples or something. But I appreciate the effort Samsung put into their device form factor. Terrible OS, a vanilla Android would be 'liveable', iOS and the ecosystem is pretty amazing. But sometimes I do feel a little envious of my Samsung friends hardware.
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Samsung on 3D scanning says hello esto Jan 2018’s Sony Xperia XZ1/XZ1 Compact models feature set.

I’ve done my part to spark flames.
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The form factor will always be the same LOL. I think you mean you’re looking forward to the changes in the design for the improvements of the existing design from all the leaks that we seen.

That triangle/square camera is.... icky...
 
I could possibly see stylus for converting notes to text, but otherwise seems like more of a burden on a phone than a help. You could try it on any phone (possibly without the text conversion), cause any phone that can use a finger, can use a capacitive stylus. That being said, they have never caught on after years. So, is it a feature, or a gimmick?

It is sort of hard to explain how nice the stylus is on these Notes. Being a Wacom digitizer, it is obviously far more precise and responsive than a capacitive stylus. And the highly refined S-Pen software tools are great. But it is the ability to pop out the pen and start writing, as if you had paper and pen, that is so great. You don't have to open any apps. You don't need to look at the screen (the way you do with a digital keyboard). You can keep looking at the people who you are working with, making it more appropriate for impromptu meetings, etc.

I also used it all the time for little notes to myself,. Or when I needed to remember, for example, some string of numbers for a few minutes. It is like constantly having a stack of post-it notes and pen around right when you need them.
 
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Everything is relative. In comparison, $900 iPhone Xr 256GB is an overpriced piece of ugly low tech junk. LCD vs OLED, near 720p vs 1080p, no pen input, crappy Intel radio vs Qualcomm, dumb Siri vs Google Assistant, cheap design/finish, etc. It should be $400 max.
A $1k Samsung piece of hype runs the same Android apps as a $200 Xiaomi. Samsung’s strength used to be the AMOLED screen, but now everybody uses one as well. Heck, even OnePlus can put out better screen with higher refresh rate than this Galaxy Note 10.

And now with removal of headphone jack, charging extra for SD slot, there’s even less reason to brag about this Samsung Note.
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Fine phone, but overall pretty mediocre. Nothing different than the rest of the Android manufacturers. I’m not sure how Samsung can really differentiate themselves and charge what they do. They need to really give up on the high end and work to combat the rest of the lower cost options that are available.
Samsung does put effort into their M and A series, which what makes most of their revenue. This $1k hype is needed to prop up their brand as a premium brand.
 
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We could certainly argue about which bubble is better, however, I don't like google maps and imo, apple maps is better at some things, google maps is better at others. Accuracy is up for debate. However, I like NOT depending on a cell signal for navigation and high-end car navigation systems are very good. So pick your bubble.

As far as your use case, it's your use case and pick your smart assistant. Android your pick much stuck with google assistant. IOS Siri. Glad your son can do whatever it he does and it works for you.

As far as the G7, yes I did acknowledge it's a throw-away phone, something the Note and Max aren't. But you do have to pay for another line, unless you swap sims.

Our family (about 40 of us with 2 androids and 38 iphones) will not be switching to android anytime soon. There are way too many things ios does very conveniently for our use cases and it seems we find ios and iphone better for our use cases. Again, it's about the style, which is why the Civic can't put Mercedes S class out of business.

And by the way, my 256 max didn't cost $1500. It's definitely more than a P30 or some other android phones, but I'll either keep the phone or resell it. Resale better is better than android anyway.

Pay a tax be it apple or google and enjoy what you pay for.
You are obviously entitled to your opinions. Let me just ask you if you can navigate to any POI by its name with voice in your car with the factory navigation. Yes, you can stop and type in an address, but can you navigate to any business in any town just by its name? Can you navigate to
ant contact in your address book? Can you see alternate routes as you are driving with live traffic update and alternate arrival times?

I don’t think you can do any of that with your factory navigation system. My car has a built-in navigation and a built-in voice Assistant, but they are both worthless. I can use the navigation as the backup if I don’t have cellular signal, but it’s a rare case when I have no signal. When I use the built-in navigation, I have to type in the destination address, as the voice assistant is so bad that it can’t do anything. The live traffic updates are a joke, and the maps do not automatically update themselves. So, it’s a 15-year-old tech that car companies put in their navigation.
 
You are obviously entitled to your opinions. Let me just ask you if you can navigate to any POI by its name with voice in your car with the factory navigation. Yes, you can stop and type in an address, but can you navigate to any business in any town just by its name? Can you navigate to
ant contact in your address book? Can you see alternate routes as you are driving with live traffic update and alternate arrival times?

I don’t think you can do any of that with your factory navigation system. My car has a built-in navigation and a built-in voice Assistant, but they are both worthless. I can use the navigation as the backup if I don’t have cellular signal, but it’s a rare case when I have no signal. When I use the built-in navigation, I have to type in the destination address, as the voice assistant is so bad that it can’t do anything. The live traffic updates are a joke, and the maps do not automatically update themselves. So, it’s a 15-year-old tech that car companies put in their navigation.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion.

Actually the answer is partially yes, but that’s not my litmys test as it is yours. I’m concerned with getting to the destination and not being sent through a ravine as google maps can do. But to each their own and not surprised this is where the discussion points devolved to. And no cell signal required unless one needs live updates and destination arrival.

But it seems there needs to be much justification. I don’t need to use my phone nor take it out of my pocket, which is my use case.

And I don’t need a cell signal to set a destination nor download maps in advance.
 
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I just wish the camera on the iPhones can take pretty pictures when taking mid to low light shots. I have an Xs and it looks a bit grainy when viewing these shots in the mac as compared to my old Note 9 phone.
Also that wide angled selfie
 
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I don't care about any feature on it except the pen, and the pen gives me serious platform envy.

Dammit Apple, make me a Pencil enabled giant phone already!!
 
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You are obviously entitled to your opinions. Let me just ask you if you can navigate to any POI by its name with voice in your car with the factory navigation. Yes, you can stop and type in an address, but can you navigate to any business in any town just by its name? Can you navigate to
ant contact in your address book? Can you see alternate routes as you are driving with live traffic update and alternate arrival times?

I don’t think you can do any of that with your factory navigation system. My car has a built-in navigation and a built-in voice Assistant, but they are both worthless. I can use the navigation as the backup if I don’t have cellular signal, but it’s a rare case when I have no signal. When I use the built-in navigation, I have to type in the destination address, as the voice assistant is so bad that it can’t do anything. The live traffic updates are a joke, and the maps do not automatically update themselves. So, it’s a 15-year-old tech that car companies put in their navigation.

Actually mine can. The built in navigation in my Jeep works pretty darn good. I hold the button on my steering well and just speak and poof there are my directions. I can even say “ take me to mc Donald’s “ and it’ll route me to the closest one. My nav has all kinds of POI.


James
 
My goodness you sound so ho hum about this phone when the iPhone does virtually none of the features you talked about in the video. I gave my wife the XS Max and got the Note 10 +. I like the features it has over the rather boring iPhone experience.

Cons:
The finger print sensor is not that great. I ended up using the face detection which works quite well.
The power button on the left side is not as convenient as it would be on the right. This is a left handed phone.
Facebook still cannot be deleted and there is other bloatware that can't be deleted. Protecting one's info is like chasing ones tail.
The Aura Glow only looks good in bright lights and and it has the annoying chrome bezel. Get the blue or the black one.

Pros:
Screen is 1000 times better then iPhone. Night and day difference.
For people with older eyes, Android wins because you can increase the font size across the entire system and apps.
Camera is excellent and pictures look better than iPhone.
More features and stuff to play with than IOS.
Apple Music works on the Android just fine. The family of iPhone users remain happy.
 
You are obviously entitled to your opinions. Let me just ask you if you can navigate to any POI by its name with voice in your car with the factory navigation. Yes, you can stop and type in an address, but can you navigate to any business in any town just by its name? Can you navigate to
ant contact in your address book? Can you see alternate routes as you are driving with live traffic update and alternate arrival times?

I don’t think you can do any of that with your factory navigation system. My car has a built-in navigation and a built-in voice Assistant, but they are both worthless. I can use the navigation as the backup if I don’t have cellular signal, but it’s a rare case when I have no signal. When I use the built-in navigation, I have to type in the destination address, as the voice assistant is so bad that it can’t do anything. The live traffic updates are a joke, and the maps do not automatically update themselves. So, it’s a 15-year-old tech that car companies put in their navigation.
I don’t get your aversion to Google Maps. I’ve been using Google Maps for close to a decade now, and I had never had it sent me along a dangerous route, “across a ravine” or anything remotely close to it. It has always provided the most accurate directions.

Apple Maps, on the other hand, once directed me to go over a bridge with a missing span at midnight as a detour for a backed up interstate highway. It also directed my wife to park at an office building and “walk through the woods to your destination” even though the nearby private school that she was navigating to had a perfectly good parking lot.
 
Actually mine can. The built in navigation in my Jeep works pretty darn good. I hold the button on my steering well and just speak and poof there are my directions. I can even say “ take me to mc Donald’s “ and it’ll route me to the closest one. My nav has all kinds of POI.


James
However, the POIs in your navigation became obsolete as soon as they were uploaded to your head unit. Businesses constantly close down, relocate, change their phone numbers, etc. New businesses pop up everywhere daily. The static POI lists in factory navigation systems do not get updated like Google updates their database of businesses.

Additionally, new roads are built everywhere, roads are rerouted, roads get closed for repairs, etc. Does your Jeep navigation learn about any of these road changes?

Also, if you need to navigate to a POI with a non-trivial name, how many attempts does it take for your in-Car voice recognition to get the name of the POI right? I’m sure it takes several attempts, which dramatically increases risks of you getting in an accident while you are fighting with the technology. Google assistant understands all of my queries with 99.9% accuracy. Because English is not my native language, such degree of comprehension of human speech uttered with a foreign accent is unmatched by any other voice recognition system. Siri doesn’t get anywhere close to the degree of comprehension that Google Assistant does.

My wife, who is a native speaker of American English, has about the same problems with the in-car voice recognition and with Siri as I do, i.e. the in-car voice recognition being completely useless for anything, and Siri failing to understand commands accurately in about 35% of cases. CarPlay has other issues besides Siri’s poor comprehension of speech. Apple maps cant match Google Maps in POIs, and the algorithms used in Apple Maps are incapable of intelligently selecting the POI closest to your location, so sometimes you are navigated to a POI 40 miles away even though there’s a POI by the same name within a few miles of your location. All of those shortcomings present themselves as distractions, as you are trying to issue voice commands to navigation while driving. Every such distraction elevates the risks of getting in an accident while you are fighting with the technology in your car.
 
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I flip between iPhones and Galaxy devices depending on which one interests me. For the last couple of years, I've used IOS and before that, I had the Note 7 until it was recalled. This year, I thought the Note 10+ has a lot of features that made me switch from my iPhone XS Max. I'll wait til next year to see what Apple does with 5G and maybe I will switch back again.
 
However, the POIs in your navigation became obsolete as soon as they were uploaded to your head unit. Businesses constantly close down, relocate, change their phone numbers, etc. New businesses pop up everywhere daily. The static POI lists in factory navigation systems do not get updated like Google updates their database of businesses.

Additionally, new roads are built everywhere, roads are rerouted, roads get closed for repairs, etc. Does your Jeep navigation learn about any of these road changes?

Also, if you need to navigate to a POI with a non-trivial name, how many attempts does it take for your in-Car voice recognition to get the name of the POI right? I’m sure it takes several attempts, which dramatically increases risks of you getting in an accident while you are fighting with the technology. Google assistant understands all of my queries with 99.9% accuracy. Because English is not my native language, such degree of comprehension of human speech uttered with a foreign accent is unmatched by any other voice recognition system. Siri doesn’t get anywhere close to the degree of comprehension that Google Assistant does.

My wife, who is a native speaker of American English, has about the same problems with the in-car voice recognition and with Siri as I do, i.e. the in-car voice recognition being completely useless for anything, and Siri failing to understand commands accurately in about 35% of cases. CarPlay has other issues besides Siri’s poor comprehension of speech. Apple maps cant match Google Maps in POIs, and the algorithms used in Apple Maps are incapable of intelligently selecting the POI closest to your location, so sometimes you are navigated to a POI 40 miles away even though there’s a POI by the same name within a few miles of your location. All of those shortcomings present themselves as distractions, as you are trying to issue voice commands to navigation while driving. Every such distraction elevates the risks of getting in an accident while you are fighting with the technology in your car.

That is true about the POI changing weekly or daily. I didn’t really think of that. I must be honest I don’t really use google maps or maps on the iPhone. Mostly I use Waze for everything POI and all and it hasn’t been wrong yet.

James
 
A $1k Samsung piece of hype runs the same Android apps as a $200 Xiaomi. Samsung’s strength used to be the AMOLED screen, but now everybody uses one as well. Heck, even OnePlus can put out better screen with higher refresh rate than this Galaxy Note 10.

And now with removal of headphone jack, charging extra for SD slot, there’s even less reason to brag about this Samsung Note.
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Samsung does put effort into their M and A series, which what makes most of their revenue. This $1k hype is needed to prop up their brand as a premium brand.

That makes sense, but you never hear anything about the M or A series. Maybe just poor marketing? Either way, their mobile division has been tanking so maybe they need to change their strategy.
 
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