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iPad The new iPads have binned chips !
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Yeah, they do.
The ones in the top bin are 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU.
The ones in the lower bin are 10-core CPU, 8-core GPU (new $999 13" MacBook Air).
In which case, further discussion is not going to be helpful if it just provides you another variation on what has already been said. It's just one more in your doesn't-agree pile.
The only way to stop the majority from misusing it is to teach proper usage to the minority who begin misusing it.
There is no way the majority create sentences like this:
That's phrased like Apple took one of their CPU cores and threw it in the rubbish bin.
I don't know why I haven't thought of explaining this way before, but that's about as clear as you're going to get. The base iPad is the apple sauce of the product line.
That is not what that word means.
The iPad chips are actual chips. All the chips are binned. You're discussing which bin the parts are taken from. The iPad you are complaining about are taken from a lower performance bin as opposed to a higher performance bin.
Yep, binning isn't about isolating the lower performance parts, it's just as much about isolating the higher performance ones. No sense selling those faster Extreme parts at commodity price-- or worse having over clockers buying and returning parts looking for the gems. Separate them out at the factory and market them for what they are-- binned for higher performance.
How do you get a 1% resistor? You make a ton of 10% resistors and test them to find the ones that happen to be within 1% of spec. Now you have a 1% bin and a 10% bin.
No one should be putting binned SoCs in a premium device. If it’s in the bin it should be disposed of or recycled and not taken back out and put in even the budget iPad.
Maybe they should put a one way flap on the bin to stop Tim taking out these binned SoCs
Maybe they should put a one way flap on the bin to stop Tim taking out these binned SoCs
In that case yes, TSMC filters out chips with varying performance and quality, put them into a “bin” and tell Apple “hey, these chips can reach performance A, these can reach A+, these are A++”, then Apple uses A++ as A18 Pro, A+ as A18, and now lowest end iPad uses left over A grade chips.
Wafers are pricey, very very pricey. And good chips made out of them are even pricier. It makes no sense for Apple to throw away A grade chips or push out A+ grade chips for an iPad that’s around $400. Thus, what’s left over still usable A grade A18 chips are on these iPads. Not the best for sure but in essence still an A18, just with fewer cores. Yes, task will take longer to complete on these but for the target demographic who really ********* cares?
The first reply gives you a rough idea how EXPENSIVE manufacturing a modern chip can be, and why there are so few places worldwide to make these. To put that into some perspective, Sydney, one of the most expensive cities in terms of housing, even some of the most expensive residential properties ONLY COST roughly $6.4m, pocket change in comparison.
Then enjoy a huge skyrocket on all premium devices because Apple for some reason is not allowed to use perfectly working chips missing just a core or two.
Besides, $400 is not a premium price in Apple world.
The regular iPad only has A16 (with a CPU and GPU core disabled), not A18.
As someone has mentioned though, the lack of one extra efficiency core is negligible. Chances are the A16 iPad might even feel snappier for most common tasks than M1 iPads (based on A14) due to the faster performance cores.
You were taught wrong. If you have a chip with 8 cores but you don't want to throw all chips that aren't perfect in the trash you can separate them into bins. You might have a high-tier bin for all chips with 8 functioning cores, a mid-tier bin for all chips with 6 (or 7, then you intentionally disable one) functioning cores, and a low-tier bin for 4 (or 5) cores. Calling the not-top-tier chips "binned" and the top-tier ones "not binned" is obviously incorrect as all chips are binned, with some making it to the highest tier bin.
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Then they should have better tracking and protocols in their factories. If cores are going missing like this, what’s going on. Is someone pocketing these missing cores?
Cores should not just go missing. There is obviously something going on and someone needs to get to the bottom of it, and I’m not talking about the bin.
It might be easy to say just missing a core or two, but what happens if more go missing. Sorry, your iPhone isn’t multicore any more as they all went missing. This is why many tout the importance of single core performance. They are hiding something I think. There is a conspiracy here.
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Oh another post? are you here to just complain about things? Who is everyone and how did you poll them?
My 60 year old mother will not care about the number of CPUs or AI… she will care about being able to upgrade a device that she doesn’t use often for a reasonable price. So your point about everyone being angry is false. Are you angry about it for some reason?
I barely notice a 60hz display. I’ve been working on a Pro since the beginning and have been used to 120hz, but when checking out the Air, I don’t even notice it. The only time I really notice anything different is scrolling through a page that has a lot of images
Does the Air 3 from 2019 already have a laminated display? I have one here lying next to an iPad 9 from 2021 and the Air somehow looks better, like the display is directly under the glass with less reflection and the 9 has a thicker glass over the display.
I don't really have a clue about iPads, because I almost never need any. The one I used before was the first 9.7" iPad Pro from 2016 and when it died in April i bought those two for cheap because I couldn't decide. I wanted the last with a Home Button that might get the longest time updates.
I can't feel a weight difference between the old Pro and the Air, but the 9 is really heavy. The Pro is a little bit smaller in total though. I just looked it up and it should be even lighter. The second Pro with 10.5" seems to be almost identical to the Air 3. But I gave that one to my mum, so I can't compare the display, when it's on. Maybe I get my Pro back to life again, now that it was resting almost a year.
I have a 2nd Gen. 12.9" Pro from 2017 too. But that thing is just too heavy for me to use and also didn't get iOS 18.
Binned chips are normal and have been since forever. We'd have an insane amount of waste if we didn't and prices for tech would be through the roof. Anytime you see different core's in products it's usually because the lower core counts are binned chips.