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It'll be real interesting to see if Apple delivers on the MacPro and modularity for the desktop - it'll be interesting to see if the emphasis and motivation is still there for scalability and affordability ... frankly if there's no affordable option (Mini) then the headless desktop for the Apple masses is still dead because I really don't see the bottom-tier MacPro being affordable based on the iMacPro pricing - making the MacPro modular would more than likely exclude the Mini in terms of architecture and stand to be a real differentiator in terms of capability - I think they'll want us to forget the Mini so we embrace the new MacPro and the ridiculous pricing that will come with it.
 
Mac mini is dead !!
It's not, it's still on sale, and the new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming, sooner or later.

The first computer I owned was the Mac Mini I bought in 2005 did die early in 2009. The Mac Mini I bought to replace it then still soldiers on.

The Mac Mini may not be a geek's dream machine, but I just wanted something easily occasionally transportable, for basic needs. It fitted my humble needs then, and probably still does so for many an average Joe or Jill, among others. It is far from dead.

buahuhauhauhauhauhauha :D

Come on guys, fingers crossed and maybe we will see it coming at the WWDC. (as "one more thing..." :cool:)

After all, Tim said it had an "important role in the Mac lineup" about a year ago. Enough to design a bloody shoebox! :p
Methinks we will not see a new Mac Mini at WWDC, but could well hear mention of one.
 
Sadly , I must also agree , and state if anyone reading this ever wanted or wants a Mac Mini , don`t wait ;)

It is only a matter of time before Apple decides not to take up web space for what they obviously consider an end-of-life product.

The really sad part is the MM I bought a year and a half ago , an i5 / 8Gb Ram / 256Gb SSD , boots faster than my MBP-r with a quad i7 :eek:

So no matter what Apple`s intensions are , my current MM with only the fan as the moving part , shall have a long and happy life !!

This is my third MM , and more than likely my last , but no one can say the MM was a failure , in fact considering it has been so long since a refresh , it might be considered the greatest Mac ever made :)

Gary. 
 
Of course, the biggest barrier to a new Mac mini is Apple as we all know. However I've been thinking of what realistically could be put into a box in the Mini's relative size/limited thermal envelope, while also bringing a significant upgrade in terms of the CPU but especially over the Intel integrated video, and yet still be keeping within the Mini's price range.

The best option from a power perspective is Intel's Hade's Canyon platform. It's quite the powerhouse, 4 core/8 thread, 3.10ghz base - 4.20ghz boost clock, with a Vega GPU connected over an extremely high speed link in the same package, with 4GB of HBM to boot. This gives it better GPU performance than a 1050Ti, somewhat in between that and a 3GB 1060. Would be a huge upgrade.

The problem? Well, click that hyperlink - price. That $1300 is a bare NUC - no memory, no storage. Even counting for the fact it's a niche run model and Apple could get significant discounts for a volume order, I just don't see how it could be made without destroying the Mini's price bracket. Plus, it's 100wt TDP - that's getting a bit tight for something in the Mini's size with an internal PSU. The final nail in this coffin: It's a single model. There's no range of cores/GPU specs. [EDIT: Correction, there is apparently an i5 variant of this]

So, that's likely out. I couldn't really see anything that could provide a big boost in a restricted power/thermal envelope until I saw this kickstarter, the UDOO BOLT. They've already doubled their asking kickstarter bid of $100k.

This is another entry in the NUC market, but what makes it interesting is the CPU - it's using AMD's Embedded V1000 SOC. The specs on it are very promising:

Zen cores (Ryzen)
2-4 cores, 4-8 threads
2.0+ghz core, 3+ghz boost
Vega 8/11 GPU, similar performance to the Ryzen G APU's just released

Most importantly: TDP of anywhere from 12-54wt, depending on model. Now the initial core speed is low, but the boost clock is very high - if it can keep close to that boost clock under load (which it should if it's using the upgraded Zen+ boost engine), it's a powerhouse for the size. From Bolt's page:

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The Bolt's asking price is just under $300 for the top-end model - the 4 core/8thread V1000 with a boost clock of 3.2 ghz, 4GB of ram and a 32GB SD card. Of course that's not really a complete system with respect to a decent amount of ram/storage, but it points to the fact AMD's SOC is in a completely different price category than Intel's Hades Canyon. This is easily within the Mini's price range, if not cheaper.

It fits the price, thermal envelope, and performance qualifiers. Now that Vega GPU without any HBM is no match for Intel's Hades Canyon of course, but it's still a big upgrade over the Iris Pro and can play most modern games at ~30fps with some details turned down (assuming you're booting into Windows of course) - and older games + emulation would run very well. Naturally as a modern chipset it can drive HDMI 2.0 - 4 4K 60ghz displays at once in fact - with Freesync 2 and HDR.

And finally, it's a range of CPU's. Apple can easily offer their 3+ tiers by just swapping out the SOC.

So great, huh? Makes sense, would be a great desktop PC for those that want to get into the Mac or have an additional Mac - so it won't happen. :)
 
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"The UDOO BOLT runs any software developed for the PC.

This means any program, app, framework or Operating System that you can run on your desktop PC - and you need no driver nor special workaround to make it work: the UDOO BOLT is plug and play."

That "any operating system" + their comparisons to Macbook Pro make me think...
 
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This means any program, app, framework or Operating System that you can run on your desktop PC - and you need no driver nor special workaround to make it work: the UDOO BOLT is plug and play."

That "any operating system" + their comparisons to Macbook Pro make me think...
Oh I wouldn't be surprised if it can run as a Hackintosh. I'm thinking more of something Apple sells (and supports) that I could direct potential new Mac users towards. Right now it's difficult when the entry level is a 13" Air with the awful screen.

About the guys selling this though: They don't exactly have the best reputation. I'm merely pointing to the project to give an indication of the price we could expect from a desktop system using that processor.
 
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I've been waiting for a LONG time for a PC (ideally laptop, but I won't be too choosy) that just so happens to have the parts required to run it as a Hackintosh OOB. If this one works out, and they start selling it, it actually exists, and does what I hope it does – I'm getting one.
 
Apple could make a killing with a new Mac Mini release considering how many Windows computers in the same price range are of questionable quality. In fact some may be inferior to earlier Mac Minis.
 
I think people who go to wwdc and want new mac mini, should wear t-shirts that say: ”I WANT NEW MAC MINI” for the whole week.
All 6 of us could sit at one table and look like a crowd. I really do want a modular, screenless option for Mac OS when my 2014 Mini dies though. Or maybe I’ll be retired then and won’t need to work on my work Windows laptop alongside my personal Mac in my home office and it won’t matter. Will just need to scrape funds together for an expensive iMac.
 
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I think people who go to wwdc and want new mac mini, should wear t-shirts that say: ”I WANT NEW MAC MINI” for the whole week.

Seriously ... with all the tools (i.e. Twitter) available the forum members here alone could orchestrate a "Mini Too" movement that could spur a national anthem for "headless" computers.

"Mac Mini users know a thing or two because they have actually done a thing or two!"

"Hey Apple - who else Mac-imizes the same computer after 6 years - Mini Users that's Who!"

"Hey Apple - Your 2012 Mini Mistake is still a Big Success in 2018!"

"Mac Mini - Too"

... and so on:

or generate "Fake News" for Christ's sake!

50 people who know 50 people - let's stop recirculating hot air and wake this party up! Those of you blessed with all this chip knowledge - make some "Taglines" - those of you who know industry details - make some "Taglines" - those of you who know software and platform details - make some "Taglines" and let's organize something.

There's a lot of talent here! The effects of what we do won't be felt for 3-5 years so let's get busy!
 
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Ok, so I have a half hour to kill, and recall that a few days ago I said I would describe how good a Mac Mini could be realistically made if I were in charge of the product. Given that tomorrow is WWDC, and we know that stands for "Wishing, Wondering, Disappointment, Crushed" when it comes to hardware, I will take a stab at what could be done, so we can measure just how far we failed to hit the mark should something actually be announced.

I really do want a modular, screenless option for Mac OS when my 2014 Mini dies though.

Totally agree there's a good market segment for Apple that the mini fills. I'd argue its actually growing. Nothing else Apple has works for HTPC.. sorry AppleTV.

Apple could make a killing with a new Mac Mini release considering how many Windows computers in the same price range are of questionable quality. In fact some may be inferior to earlier Mac Minis.

The problem is that some of those machines, and there are many more that get close in size, are of equal quality and deliver comparable or better capability for the same amount of money. Besides the ones you saw me post the picture of, there's a number out there I haven't even looked at ... like the HP Slice or HP Z2 Mini Workstation or any of the Gigabyte Brix offerings for example.

Here's the 2018 .. er .. 2019 .. er .. 2020 .. er .. 2021+ Mac Mini designed "My Way" (as Franky would sing).

"My Way" has two goals - make the Mini competitive, and try and deliberately add back some "Pizzazz" to make it stand out (The Mini used to be alone, and now it's in a crowded segment) and even provide a "Halo" model.

Ok, you guys ready to take a trip to Delusional Wishful Thinking Land(tm) ?

Exterior:


Starting with the case, I would leave the dimensions and shape alone for the most part, and continue with the aluminum unibody. A couple things the Mini's case has going for it include the integral power supply and compatibility with existing accessories, and they would be ready to go at MacMiniCoLo ( whom I'm pretty impressed with and will likely be deploying a server to this year ).

Color: A concession the Apple Marketing Gen^h^h^hIdiots - Space Grey in addition to classic silver. No Gold. No Rose Gold. End of Discussion.

Front: I mentioned this before, but to regain parity with the Intel NUCs and others, a small port panel should probably be added to the lower left of the front. On it would be 2 tiny microphones ports (~1mm) and in between them a USB 3.1 Type-A Charging Port (Yellow) and a 3.5mm Combo Audio Jack.

The microphones would let Apple promote that "Hey Siri" is coming to all their devices, not just laptops. Intel already has these on their NUCs.

The USB-A charging port and combo audio jack would be a way to acknowledge that Mini often lives on desktops and people don't need to going around back for things they are constantly inserting and removing... Like a lightning cable to charge their iPhone or iPad, and for USB thumb drives.

Apple would have to admit that USB-A ports aren't dying, and that might hard for them to do. The reason for the combo jack, and not just headphones is for gaming headsets and recording. The separate audio jacks on the back panel would remain. Yes, it would cost 40 cents more, but Apple could promote that the Mini is versatile and wherever you put it, it's easy to access.

Back: 2 Thunderbolt 3 USB-C ports are a given. But keep the 4 USB 3.0, or bump them to 3.1. Having to add an external USB hub via USB-C would be a massive design fail.

The HDMI port has to be HDMI 2.0 (or 2.1 if possible). Not up for discussion. Everyone will point and laugh if they don't.

The Gig-E RJ-45 port stays, as I don't think it's time to switch to a 10G Ethernet port yet. If you had to have one, it could connect via Thunderbolt 3.

The dual Audio jacks stay, but I am on the fence about the need to keep the SDXC card reader/slot. It could be sacrificed to the corporate bean counters if necessary.

Internals:

Memory: It's back! User upgradable DDR4 so-dimm memory. 32GB Max. Apple will happily sell you the upgrade at their prices if it's too scary to twist the base and push into the socket. Since everything else Skylake & later can support 32GB and the MacBoook Pro was ridiculed for not offering 32GB, they need to allow that much even if they are correct that 99% of users won't ever use it. They can say user serviceable memory is back by popular demand, and try and fool people into thinking they are actually listening.

Storage: Got to play catch up here. ALL Mini's will come with a nVME M.2 (PCIe 3.0 x4) 2280 SSD OS Drive. No base model with a spinner. Apple's already onboard with this on the laptops and The 2014 Mini's SSD is connected via something like a PCI 2.0 x1 - barely faster than SATA III. Apple Friend/Enemy/which day of the week is it Samsung makes an economy SSD - the 970, that is over 5x faster than the SSD in the 2014 Mini. Embarrassing. And Apple needs to be all-in to transition to APFS. OS / M.2 drive sizes up to 2TB can configured as BTO (since it won't be soldered).

For additional storage, the space in the unibody that previously could hold 2x 9.5 mm 2.5" Hard Drives is shrunk slightly and aligned so it can hold a single drive, either 7mm, 9.5mm OR a 15MM drive, allowing for up to 5TB of cheap bulk storage. (5TB 2.5" HDD is $160 on Amazon). With the return of user serviceable RAM, storage upgrades go back to their 2010-2012 level difficulty. Apple gets in on the game by selling users overpriced HDD upgrades, installed at their genius bars. This includes the OS M.2 drives.

And that gets us down to the core of the matter, pun horribly intended... the CPU and GPU.

Apple goes "all-in" with Intel's Coffee Lake mobile parts for the Mini, specifically the 28W TDP parts with Iris Plus, and uses their volume buying power. The current line up of these chips fits the typical Mini SKU range nicely.

This means Quad Cores are back, but there's a dual core "Entry Level" CPU. Tim needs to shout that up on stage .. "Quad Cores are BACK Baby!" . And every one of the CPUs in this range have Iris Plus 655 Graphics w/ 128 MB EDRAM, so Apple can get back to 2009 - 2012 where they were able to claim at least a doubling of GPU power with every revision.

Given that even the base Mini will expected to do flawless video playback at 4K 60hz, and be able to drive 3 Monitors at 4K - it's not so far out there to have the EDRAM to keep the frame buffers in. (I can digress as a game developer how even basic 4K 2D stuff uses serious video memory) With the latest version ( Skylake+) the EDRAM not used by the GPU winds up as extra CPU cache. This would let Apple claim a ~3x increase over the 2014 Mini in graphics, and actually be usable for mid-range gaming.

Edit: Forgot to mention Memory: 8 GB is the new base. 4GB is a joke that's grown tired.

The SKUs and CPUs:

Base Mini: i3-8109U - 2/4 Cores/Threads, 3.0Ghz / 3.6Ghz Turbo, 4MB L3
Mid Range: i5-8259U - 4/8 Cores/Threads, 2.3Ghz / 3.8Ghz Turbo, 6MB L3
Mid Range+: i5-8359U - 4/8 Cores/Threads, 2.6Ghz / 4.2Ghz Turbo, 6MB L3 (Upgrade Pricing)
Top End: i7-8559U - 4/8 Cores/Threads, 2.7Ghz / 4.5Ghz Turbo, 8MB L3 (Top Upgrade Pricing)

Suggested Prices and Configurations:

$599 Base w/ 250GB SSD, 8GB Ram
+200 to upgrade to 16GB (Apple super high margins)
+100 to upgrade to 500GB SSD
+400 to upgrade to 1TB SSD (2TB not available on base SKU)
+100 to add 2TB bulk storage
$799 Quad Core i5 w/ 500GB SSD, 8GB Ram
+$100 to upgrade to 2.6 i5
+$200 to upgrade to 2.7 i7 (Hit the $999 magic price)
+200 to upgrade to 16GB
+500 to upgrade to 32GB
+$300 to upgrade to 1TB SSD (Apple tax pricing)
+$800 to upgrade to 2TB SSD
+100 to add 2TB bulk storage (Nice Margins for Apple)
+200 to add 4TB bulk storage
+300 to add 5TB bulk storage

So you got new Mini's from $599 to $2599, which is in line with historical pricing on older Minis, and chock full of profits.
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Oh, and just "One More Thing..." (Yes, set it up for the classic end of show reveal)

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Now you guys know I am a game developer, and I've been doing it for decades. Steve Job on the other hand felt games were to be tolerated at best, and Apple has been half-hearted at catering to that sector a best. But Apple has been making noises about VR being important, yet they have absolutely NOTHING in that space.

I would fix that and create a Halo SKU for the Mini that would appeal to gamers using the i7-8706G which has the Radeon RX Vega M GL and 4GB of HBM Memory on the same package with a Quad Core it @ 3.1 Ghz. Apple could claim that it is the "Smallest/Tiniest VR Capable PC in Existence" (as it passes Oculus's min specs) and make lots of noise about embracing VR and delivering serious gaming in the world's most efficient package, etc...

How can we fit that KabyLake-G CPU into the Mini though??

Did you know... the 2011 Mac Mini's AMD 6630 dGPU had a 26W TPD, and the Sandy Bridge i5 and i7 were both rated at 35W TDP, for a total of 61W TDP to be handled. This "Halo Mini" (Master Chief Not Included) would use the 65W TDP version. The Mini could handle the i7-8706G's power and cooling needs, especially with slightly re-worked cooling using the space freed up from the hard drive bay. The Power Supply might need a tweak, but honestly Apple designs great power supplies (witness teardowns comparing Apple to cheap knockoff chargers, etc)

And upon seeing this "Ultimate Mac Mini" ... the Mac Mini fanboys... all 13 of us that still remain... would go nuts...

...In my dreams at least.

Who am I kidding? Time to bury the Mac Mini.
 
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Ok, so I have a half hour to kill, and recall that a few days ago I said I would describe how good a Mac Mini could be realistically made if I were in charge of the product. Given that tomorrow is WWDC, and we know that stands for "Wishing, Wondering, Disappointment, Crushed" when it comes to hardware, I will take a stab at what could be done, so we can measure just how far we failed to hit the mark should something actually be announced.



Totally agree there's a good market segment for Apple that the mini fills. I'd argue its actually growing. Nothing else Apple has works for HTPC.. sorry AppleTV.



The problem is that some of those machines, and there are many more that get close in size, are of equal quality and deliver comparable or better capability for the same amount of money. Besides the ones you saw me post the picture of, there's a number out there I haven't even looked at ... like the HP Slice or HP Z2 Mini Workstation or any of the Gigabyte Brix offerings for example.

Here's the 2018 .. er .. 2019 .. er .. 2020 .. er .. 2021+ Mac Mini designed "My Way" (as Franky would sing).

"My Way" has two goals - make the Mini competitive, and try and deliberately add back some "Pizzazz" to make it stand out (The Mini used to be alone, and now it's in a crowded segment) and even provide a "Halo" model.

Ok, you guys ready to take a trip to Delusional Wishful Thinking Land(tm) ?

Exterior:


Starting with the case, I would leave the dimensions and shape alone for the most part, and continue with the aluminum unibody. A couple things the Mini's case has going for it include the integral power supply and compatibility with existing accessories, and they would be ready to go at MacMiniCoLo ( whom I'm pretty impressed with and will likely be deploying a server to this year ).

Color: A concession the Apple Marketing Gen^h^h^hIdiots - Space Grey in addition to classic silver. No Gold. No Rose Gold. End of Discussion.

Front: I mentioned this before, but to regain parity with the Intel NUCs and others, a small port panel should probably be added to the lower left of the front. On it would be 2 tiny microphones ports (~1mm) and in between them a USB 3.1 Type-A Charging Port (Yellow) and a 3.5mm Combo Audio Jack.

The microphones would let Apple promote that "Hey Siri" is coming to all their devices, not just laptops. Intel already has these on their NUCs.

The USB-A charging port and combo audio jack would be a way to acknowledge that Mini often lives on desktops and people don't need to going around back for things they are constantly inserting and removing... Like a lightning cable to charge their iPhone or iPad, and for USB thumb drives.

Apple would have to admit that USB-A ports aren't dying, and that might hard for them to do. The reason for the combo jack, and not just headphones is for gaming headsets and recording. The separate audio jacks on the back panel would remain. Yes, it would cost 40 cents more, but Apple could promote that the Mini is versatile and wherever you put it, it's easy to access.

Back: 2 Thunderbolt 3 USB-C ports are a given. But keep the 4 USB 3.0, or bump them to 3.1. Having to add an external USB hub via USB-C would be a massive design fail.

The HDMI port has to be HDMI 2.0 (or 2.1 if possible). Not up for discussion. Everyone will point and laugh if they don't.

The Gig-E RJ-45 port stays, as I don't think it's time to switch to a 10G Ethernet port yet. If you had to have one, it could connect via Thunderbolt 3.

The dual Audio jacks stay, but I am on the fence about the need to keep the SDXC card reader/slot. It could be sacrificed to the corporate bean counters if necessary.

Internals:

Memory: It's back! User upgradable DDR4 so-dimm memory. 32GB Max. Apple will happily sell you the upgrade at their prices if it's too scary to twist the base and push into the socket. Since everything else Skylake & later can support 32GB and the MacBoook Pro was ridiculed for not offering 32GB, they need to allow that much even if they are correct that 99% of users won't ever use it. They can say user serviceable memory is back by popular demand, and try and fool people into thinking they are actually listening.

Storage: Got to play catch up here. ALL Mini's will come with a nVME M.2 (PCIe 3.0 x4) 2280 SSD OS Drive. No base model with a spinner. Apple's already onboard with this on the laptops and The 2014 Mini's SSD is connected via something like a PCI 2.0 x1 - barely faster than SATA III. Apple Friend/Enemy/which day of the week is it Samsung makes an economy SSD - the 970, that is over 5x faster than the SSD in the 2014 Mini. Embarrassing. And Apple needs to be all-in to transition to APFS. OS / M.2 drive sizes up to 2TB can configured as BTO (since it won't be soldered).

For additional storage, the space in the unibody that previously could hold 2x 9.5 mm 2.5" Hard Drives is shrunk slightly and aligned so it can hold a single drive, either 7mm, 9.5mm OR a 15MM drive, allowing for up to 5TB of cheap bulk storage. (5TB 2.5" HDD is $160 on Amazon). With the return of user serviceable RAM, storage upgrades go back to their 2010-2012 level difficulty. Apple gets in on the game by selling users overpriced HDD upgrades, installed at their genius bars. This includes the OS M.2 drives.

And that gets us down to the core of the matter, pun horribly intended... the CPU and GPU.

Apple goes "all-in" with Intel's Coffee Lake mobile parts for the Mini, specifically the 28W TDP parts with Iris Plus, and uses their volume buying power. The current line up of these chips fits the typical Mini SKU range nicely.

This means Quad Cores are back, but there's a dual core "Entry Level" CPU. Tim needs to shout that up on stage .. "Quad Cores are BACK Baby!" . And every one of the CPUs in this range have Iris Plus 655 Graphics w/ 128 MB EDRAM, so Apple can get back to 2009 - 2012 where they were able to claim at least a doubling of GPU power with every revision.

Given that even the base Mini will expected to do flawless video playback at 4K 60hz - it's not so far out there to have the EDRAM to keep the frame buffers in. (I can digress as a game developer how even basic 4K 2D stuff uses serious video memory) With the latest version ( Skylake+) the EDRAM not used by the GPU winds up as extra CPU cache. This would let Apple claim a ~3x increase over the 2014 Mini in graphics, and actually be usable for mid-range gaming.

The SKUs and CPUs:

Base Mini: i3-8109U - 2/4 Cores/Threads, 3.0Ghz / 3.6Ghz Turbo, 4MB L3
Mid Range: i5-8259U - 4/8 Cores/Threads, 2.3Ghz / 3.8Ghz Turbo, 6MB L3
Mid Range+: i5-8359U - 4/8 Cores/Threads, 2.6Ghz / 4.2Ghz Turbo, 6MB L3 (Upgrade Pricing)
Top End: i7-8559U - 4/8 Cores/Threads, 2.7Ghz / 4.5Ghz Turbo, 8MB L3 (Top Upgrade Pricing)

Suggested Prices and Configurations:

$599 Base w/ 250GB SSD
+100 to upgrade to 500GB SSD
+400 to upgrade to 1TB SSD (2TB not available on base SKU)
+100 to add 2TB bulk storage
$799 Quad Core i5 w/ 500GB SSD
+$100 to upgrade to 2.6 i5
+$200 to upgrade to 2.7 i7 (Hit the $999 magic price)
+$300 to upgrade to 1TB SSD (Apple tax pricing)
+$800 to upgrade to 2TB SSD
+100 to add 2TB bulk storage (Nice Margins for Apple)
+200 to add 4TB bulk storage
+250 to add 5TB bulk storage

So you got new Mini's from $599 to $2049, which is in line with historical pricing on older Minis.
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Oh, and just "One More Thing..." (Yes, set it up for the classic end of show reveal)

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Now you guys know I am a game developer, and I've been doing it for decades. Steve Job on the other hand felt games were to be tolerated at best, and Apple has been half-hearted at catering to that sector a best. But Apple has been making noises about VR being important, yet they have absolutely NOTHING in that space.

I would fix that and create a Halo SKU for the Mini that would appeal to gamers using the i7-8706G which has the Radeon RX Vega M GL and 4GB of HBM Memory on the same package with a Quad Core it @ 3.1 Ghz. Apple could claim that it is the "Smallest/Tiniest VR Capable PC in Existence" (as it passes Oculus's min specs) and make lots of noise about embracing VR and delivering serious gaming in the world's most efficient package, etc...

How can we fit that KabyLake-G CPU into the Mini though??

Did you know... the 2011 Mac Mini's AMD 6630 dGPU had a 26W TPD, and the Sandy Bridge i5 and i7 were both rated at 35W TDP, for a total of 61W TDP to be handled. This "Halo Mini" (Master Chief Not Included) would use the 65W TDP version. The Mini could handle the i7-8706G's power and cooling needs, especially with slightly re-worked cooling using the space freed up from the hard drive bay. The Power Supply might need a tweak, but honestly Apple designs great power supplies (witness teardowns comparing Apple to cheap knockoff chargers, etc)

And upon seeing this "Ultimate Mac Mini" ... the Mac Mini fanboys... all 13 of us that still remain... would go nuts...

...In my dreams at least.

Who am I kidding? Time to bury the Mac Mini.


Great post. Bit of wishful thinking though. What you’ve described starts competing with the iMacs and even the pro at the high end.

What’s more realistic, and I would love this is a mac nano. Apple TV sized Mac mini. Won’t be a powerhouse but good enough for most basic activities. Add a battery and ability to use an iPad as a monitor (or stream to a hotel LCD) and this could be the ultimate portable computer by itself or a companion to those who’ve started using an IPP as a laptop replacement but still need a proper OSX system at home. Multiple monitors, External drives etc.

I know a lot of you won’t like a basic, closed down, one port, non expandable Mac Nano but there IS a market for that.

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so we can measure just how far we failed to hit the mark

Spaceman - "Spliffed" ... and no disrespect! You're hitting the bullseye for Apple customers not failing to hit it - you're missing the mark for Apple profit and control!

"Spliffed" ... and you're deep in the head about building, utility, power and versatility and have obviously taken time to think (dream) as an "accomplished user" - one who wants to get things done today and tomorrow. Apple apparently is deep in the head about profit, control and secrecy which runs counter to their past.

I'd love to see you on their development team - in fact, you have to assume some of the Apple developers have some of those same desires - what the hell are they doing at home?
 
Spaceman - "Spliffed" ... and no disrespect! You're hitting the bullseye for Apple customers not failing to hit it - you're missing the mark for Apple profit and control!

(Starts the morning with a hearty laugh)

But.. But.. I AM Hitting the mark .. those prices I suggest have Apple's historically great margins built into in them! And yet they're not so high that people would passionately defend them as a great value for the 'quality'! And selling people expensive RAM and Disk upgrades installed there at the Stores genius bars because they come with piece of mind? MOAR Profits!

"Spliffed" ... and you're deep in the head about building, utility, power and versatility and have obviously taken time to think (dream) as an "accomplished user" - one who wants to get things done today and tomorrow. Apple apparently is deep in the head about profit, control and secrecy which runs counter to their past.

Never. Ever. Leave me alone with my own thoughts for half an hour or more. It's dangerous. That's how you get these crazy rantings. :D

I'd love to see you on their development team - in fact, you have to assume some of the Apple developers have some of those same desires - what the hell are they doing at home?

I've been making software for over 40 years, my man. Sold my first game over 35 years ago. When you see a "top 100 PC games" list, you probably need 2 hands to count the ones I contributed to. My fatal flaw? I ask "How could we do better?" and I dream. The world is no place for a man like me.

Delusional ranting aside, I think the Mini is a good summary of how Apple is losing their edge post-Jobs without realizing it. Jobs knew the value in making things that were aspirational, and how you had to keep running to keep your edge.
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Great post. Bit of wishful thinking though. What you’ve described starts competing with the iMacs and even the pro at the high end.

Oh for sure when I got to VR and a "Halo" version of the Mini with the dGPU. However they did it with the iMac Pro. So it would actually fit to a have "Mini Pro" where the emphasis would be VR and Serious Gaming.
 
So it would actually fit to a have "Mini Pro" where the emphasis would be VR and Serious Gaming.

But this is the pain = the same pain when Apple took years to have a multi-button mouse - not claiming the "home" as their kingdom when others saw the potential years ago for home automation - abandoning the music and arts/entertainment industries. Apple is a lightweight in their association with the richness of existing potential - they think everyone is a glossed-over, superficial consumer instead of nurturing the "deep" minds that reside everywhere across all disciplines.

They've abandoned the mantra of freedom for something similar to Trump!

Dongles when you had genius like Magsafe - from the same company that plays with the headphone jack and touts "lossless"!
 
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