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The days of letting us "under the hood" are soon to be long gone. Very basically the need for security and enclaves will continue to grow and this coupled with more component compression on the chip will essentially render all gear "inoperable". So as time goes more layers of superficiality will be offered instead of peeling the layers back.

The software itself ... well Apps really ... seem to have diluted my interest as you're being directed by Apple through the App store for just about everything ... the search and conquest for specific software that piqued my interest is now gone - if it doesn't come bundled with the things I buy I'm probably not going to mess with it. The "geek has been replaced with meek".
Storage tied to the MB is bad for an desktop / laptop. Also 2 cards forced into an raid 0 is just as bad.

The next mac pro will need m.2 slots and maybe at least 1 HDD / SSD cheaper non pci-e slot.
 
I hear the last HS point update killed our Cisco anyconnect for out school district-or at least one of our “networks” effecting several schools...


They just have to install the latest version of the AnyConnect client. You need a Cisco TAC account (or whatever it's called) to download it, though.

I think you can upload it to the ASA and then clients can install it once they are connected. If that doesn't work, it's going to be a busy week updating the clients individually ;-)
 
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Wow, this thread is still going on. :eek:

I'm still so happy I got my quad core Mac Mini when it launched back in 2012. I don't get Apple's strategy for the desktop Mac. They could easily make a smaller and more powerful Mac Mini, but for some reason, they seem to not want to. I think I'll stick to notebooks from now on - at least there we get new models every 500 days or so, and the new models are actually as fast as the previous ones.
 
LOL, yes, I need my excitement :) Gotta have new hardware on a regular basis. And, sadly, these days a watchband qualifies as hardware, LOL!
Well you had better hope they never release a new Mini, because your head will explode! :confused: :eek:
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Maybe that's their strategy? ;)
Your wink might be redundant.

If they really are planning for no more Minis, then they have to herd us onto some other Apple product.
 
If they really are planning for no more Minis, then they have to herd us onto some other Apple product.

Ha ... sheeple you think - I think not - not this time. After the 2014 Mini disaster and the acknowledgement of the thermal ceiling in the MacPro Apple will need to put on its best suit for the headless category. Users here are primed for an exodus and once the right chip set arrives with the graphics, ambient sound, power, price and size they will break from the pack (NUC) not to return until Apple demonstrates some real commitment (a least 2 iterations with a plan).

I somehow don't think a laptop or AIO solution will produce obedient, blind and trusting sheep. In fact Apple's next move will be telling with iOS apps coming to MacOS - I suspect they'll try to be very disruptive if they pursue a modular Mac infrastructure which will more than likely consume the Mini and our wallet.
 
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The days of letting us "under the hood" are soon to be long gone. Very basically the need for security and enclaves will continue to grow and this coupled with more component compression on the chip will essentially render all gear "inoperable". So as time goes more layers of superficiality will be offered instead of peeling the layers back.

The software itself ... well Apps really ... seem to have diluted my interest as you're being directed by Apple through the App store for just about everything ... the search and conquest for specific software that piqued my interest is now gone - if it doesn't come bundled with the things I buy I'm probably not going to mess with it. The "geek has been replaced with meek".

That's the position I had reached, which is why just twelve short months ago I decided to go back to building my own PC. I loved revisiting the experience and Windows 10 has been a real revelation.

There's no doubt Apple do still make some good products, but for me at least they have simply become 'joyless'. Their business model is the vertical lock-in eco system and quite simply it's expensive and not what I want any more.
 
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... and demand for parkas will skyrocket, because Hell will have frozen over.
Yup, I think my head is 100% safe :)
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That's the position I had reached, which is why just twelve short months ago I decided to go back to building my own PC. I loved revisiting the experience and Windows 10 has been a real revelation.

There's no doubt Apple do still make some good products, but for me at least they have simply become 'joyless'. Their business model is the vertical lock-in eco system and quite simply it's expensive not what I want any more.
I feel the same. Windows 10 has been very good to me. And I built to MY specs. Not some bean counter's specs.
 
I can't stand Windows 10.
Well, specifically the start-menu with it's silly letters that you can't remove.

Hello, Microsoft. I'm not retarded. Can we pretend for a minute at least?

It's all a bit too fidgety for me. macOS is much more serene and unagitated. I hope Apple keeps it that way.


OK, so I could install one of those start-menu restorers - but there's no guarantee that MSFT doesn't break them at some future update, now that they've got a rolling release model.

I could install Linux. It runs a lot of my servers (that aren't running FreeBSD) But I really like macOS for my home-desktop. If the next thing is an iMac (again), then it's an iMac. Hopefully, we'll get 6 and 8 core options in 2019 or 2020.
 
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I can't stand Windows 10.
Well, specifically the start-menu with it's silly letters that you can't remove.

Hello, Microsoft. I'm not retarded. Can we pretend for a minute at least?

It's all a bit too fidgety for me. macOS is much more serene and unagitated. I hope Apple keeps it that way.


OK, so I could install one of those start-menu restorers - but there's no guarantee that MSFT doesn't break them at some future update, now that they've got a rolling release model.

I could install Linux. It runs a lot of my servers (that aren't running FreeBSD) But I really like macOS for my home-desktop. If the next thing is an iMac (again), then it's an iMac. Hopefully, we'll get 6 and 8 core options in 2019 or 2020.


Give "Classic Shell" a try for your Windows 10 machine. I really recommend it, and it'll auto-update if MS breaks it.
 
I can't stand Windows 10.
Well, specifically the start-menu with it's silly letters that you can't remove.

Hello, Microsoft. I'm not retarded. Can we pretend for a minute at least?

It's all a bit too fidgety for me. macOS is much more serene and unagitated. I hope Apple keeps it that way.


OK, so I could install one of those start-menu restorers - but there's no guarantee that MSFT doesn't break them at some future update, now that they've got a rolling release model.

I could install Linux. It runs a lot of my servers (that aren't running FreeBSD) But I really like macOS for my home-desktop. If the next thing is an iMac (again), then it's an iMac. Hopefully, we'll get 6 and 8 core options in 2019 or 2020.

I don't see why you say the 'letters' are silly. It makes finding your apps/programmes a joy as they are all grouped in alphabetical order - what's not to like about that. I really haven't got the first clue what you mean about the OS being fidgety either.

Hey! if that's the worst thing you can think to say about it then I think the Windows 10 experience has truly arrived.
 
Hey! if that's the worst thing you can think to say about it then I think the Windows 10 experience has truly arrived.

It's the other things that bug me - the biggest is MS trying to shove all their other products down your throat. Take a new install of Windows 10 on a PC and when you go to install Chrome - Windows practically begs you not to do it (Serious WTF) and stick with their browser. I have a good idea why it's happening so much, and it's not pretty. As well as lying outright about other things (Yes, the OS will would run just fine if Cortana was removed) and so on. The way they view users, and their place in the market certainly has changed in the last 20 years.
 
I don't see why you say the 'letters' are silly. It makes finding your apps/programmes a joy as they are all grouped in alphabetical order - what's not to like about that. I really haven't got the first clue what you mean about the OS being fidgety either.

Hey! if that's the worst thing you can think to say about it then I think the Windows 10 experience has truly arrived.


These letters waste a lot of space. The start-menu in my terminal-server session at work is so large I need to scroll. And there's not much installed, it's absolutely barebones. I also don't see a point in these letters, really. You still have to know at which position the apps are. Is Office is under "O" and Firefox under "F"? Depends, could also be under "M" (Microsoft Office and Mozilla Firefox). The letters just waste space and I have to scroll up and down.
The worst thing is that you can't remove them. If you google it, you'll find people pledging MSFT to make them removable back to the first betas.

I know the alphabet. I don't need a reminder every time I press the start-button.
Imagine if the Explorer had these letters between files and directories.

By "fidgety" I mean e.g. the fact that if you hover over the outlook-icon in the task-bar, it sort-of expands it into a view of all your open outlook windows. Which can be nice. But I'd actually like to turn it off because I just want the main outlook screen 99 out of 100 times. Maybe it's only fidgety because I see it in a terminal-server session.

In any case, Windows has nothing for me. None of the apps interest me. I've never run Windows as a main OS on any computer I ever owned. (Before macOS, it was Linux and FreeBSD and before that it was Acorn's RISC-OS). I'm certainly not going to start wasting money on a license for it now.
I'd rather pay for macOS upgrades again ;-)

And don't get me started on the telemetry BS.
 
You would think that the sorts of extended discussions we've seen in this thread alone about dropping macOS for Windows would raise some hackles at the Great Donut Headquarters. This sort of discussion would have been pretty much unthinkable five years ago. Maybe arguments about returning to Linux, but really not much of that either. The lack of any kind of indication as to the direction Apple is going with their computer lines is stepping beyond corporate secrecy and into the realms of hysterical paranoia.
 
I can't stand Windows 10.
Well, specifically the start-menu with it's silly letters that you can't remove.

Hello, Microsoft. I'm not retarded. Can we pretend for a minute at least?

It's all a bit too fidgety for me. macOS is much more serene and unagitated. I hope Apple keeps it that way.


OK, so I could install one of those start-menu restorers - but there's no guarantee that MSFT doesn't break them at some future update, now that they've got a rolling release model.

I could install Linux. It runs a lot of my servers (that aren't running FreeBSD) But I really like macOS for my home-desktop. If the next thing is an iMac (again), then it's an iMac. Hopefully, we'll get 6 and 8 core options in 2019 or 2020.
FYI, I cannot and will not use Windows 10 without Startmenu by Stardock. I HATE that default menu. And the argument that it may be "broken" in a rolling update is useless because that is true of every single feature of software never. And 99.99% of the time if it does "break" it can be "fixed".

Once tuned up a bit (see above), the Windows 10 OS is the best out there by far. MacOS is dated, has a near unusable UI that has not changed in freaking forever. Granted, MSFT messed up big time with 8, but hell, at least they gave change a go. It is crystal clear that MacOS takes second seat to IOS.
 
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It is crystal clear that MacOS takes second seat to IOS.

... and this is the "telling" part as they begin to port iOS Apps over to MacOS - how long will it take until MacOS is just a utility ... this and the "flagship MacPro (barf) ... or maybe the modular MacPro will lend some idea where MacOS may go... and today they acknowledge the depreciation of OpenGL for Metal which as I understand it represents yet another stall for game developers.

All in all ... Apple is no more than a shadow at noon in terms of the future.
 
The lack of any kind of indication as to the direction Apple is going with their computer lines is stepping beyond corporate secrecy and into the realms of hysterical paranoia.
Maybe they are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat in the form of a genuinely workable modular system, that more or less covers the whole headless desktop range, and fully exploits eGPU capability to keep the pro users happy.

Maybe.
 
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I can't stand Windows 10.
Well, specifically the start-menu with it's silly letters that you can't remove.

Look, here is my solution:
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I never really got the huge issue with the Start menu, in Windows 8/8.1 it was actually pretty great after the adjustment period. Windows key, type a couple characters, there's what you're looking for.

Windows 10... Oh Windows 10. Windows key, start typing, briefly see it but type another character of the name, web search results, other unrelated nonsense, no items found.

For a while I thought about Hackintoshing my NUC, but there's just no real need any more. Mint/Windows 10 got me covered.
 
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