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You beat me to it.

I can say that as a game developer, it's doing a lot of damage to the value of developing and supporting mac versions. The MacBook, MacBook Air and Mac Mini are way, way behind on the GPU fronts, the 13 inch rMBPs only recently got EDRAM, the Mac Pro is AWOL, making it a lot harder to make the case for a Mac version of anything other than casual games or mid-range games made using Unity.
 
I was going to say – a portable Mac Mini exists, it even has a screen (although you don't have to use it), it's called a Macbook Air. No dongles necessary.

Which is not to say Air satisfies all customers' needs or is perfectly priced... even though it seems very fairly priced compared to the 2014 Minis.

Not only is it fairly priced; it is an amazing value compared to the Mini. You’d have to be an absolute fool to buy the 2014 Mini upgraded to 8GB of RAM and a SSD (the only usable configuration) when you can get a laptop that includes keyboard and screen, and can do 4K for like $15 more.
 
You beat me to it.

I can say that as a game developer, it's doing a lot of damage to the value of developing and supporting mac versions. The MacBook, MacBook Air and Mac Mini are way, way behind on the GPU fronts, the 13 inch rMBPs only recently got EDRAM, the Mac Pro is AWOL, making it a lot harder to make the case for a Mac version of anything other than casual games or mid-range games made using Unity.

Being behind on GPU wouldn't be a problem with a refresh to include Thunderbolt 3 though.

Or Apple could really consider doing something that would be appealing to developers in terms of value. Something with built in discrete graphics that would be decent value. Apple would certainly keep a static spec on sales for years on end and would happily sell software through a Games App Store - but they wouldn't cut hardware prices like Sony or Microsoft would...


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Not only is it fairly priced; it is an amazing value compared to the Mini. You’d have to be an absolute fool to buy the 2014 Mini upgraded to 8GB of RAM and a SSD (the only usable configuration) when you can get a laptop that includes keyboard and screen, and can do 4K for like $15 more.

The embarrassment would indeed be complete if the MBA was upgraded to a Thunderbolt 3 spec with modern CPU - the existing one remains a Broadwell CPU powered device.
 
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Well, mm2014@3GHz has multicore benchmark of 7051, air2015@2.2GHz 6899...

I think the biggest problem here is, that people are happily buying mm2014. As long as they do that, Apple has no reason to upgrade it. And I guess we can’t stop people buying it...
 
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It’s pretty obvious that ios is the future , it’s just a pity tim and his crew couldn’t be a bit more subtle about it.

The Mac mini in particular is just embarrassing now. At least a price drop ?

Selling sealed macs with unreliable hd spinners should be illegal.
 
Plus, of course:

https://sixcolors.com/post/2018/03/its-not-quite-a-mac-mini-but-its-my-server/

The Mac mini in particular is just embarrassing now. At least a price drop ?

Selling sealed macs with unreliable hd spinners should be illegal.
Well. Agreed. But since I don't even work at an Apple Store, much less in management, the fact I agree with you has zero value...

(I've got a NUC computer, and a little USB stick that takes care of wifi... and I wouldn't need bluetooth for what I want to do with the computer...)
 
Not only is it fairly priced; it is an amazing value compared to the Mini. You’d have to be an absolute fool to buy the 2014 Mini upgraded to 8GB of RAM and a SSD (the only usable configuration) when you can get a laptop that includes keyboard and screen, and can do 4K for like $15 more.

Unless like me you can't abide the laptop form factor. I just hate the scrunched up nature of working on a laptop. If Desktop computers no longer existed then in all likelihood I would cease using a computer.
 
Given that very nearly all Apples current range of computers are ageing disgracefully, It is looking increasingly like Apple are gearing up for another one of their "Transitions"
Rather like when they transitioned from OS 9 to OS X, and PowerPC to Intel.
Transitioning to what I don't know, but there has been mutterings of Apple using different CPU's? (Or their own, again..?)
If thats the case then im not looking forward to going through that again..
 
Given that very nearly all Apples current range of computers are ageing disgracefully, It is looking increasingly like Apple are gearing up for another one of their "Transitions"
Rather like when they transitioned from OS 9 to OS X, and PowerPC to Intel.
Transitioning to what I don't know, but there has been mutterings of Apple using different CPU's? (Or their own, again..?)
If thats the case then im not looking forward to going through that again..
They are very likely expanding their Fusion chips line (recently reported they were on a hiring spree with CPU engineers) and will undoubtably go with custom CPU's sometime in the future, it only makes sense. That's not next year or the year after though, they have to get to a point where X86 emulation speed is not a significant downgrade, and that's going to take quite a bit of time.
 
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Unless like me you can't abide the laptop form factor. I just hate the scrunched up nature of working on a laptop.

The MacBook Air can be used in "clamshell mode" with the lid closed, hidden behind an external monitor and connected to a keyboard and mouse. I'm not saying this is an ideal solution - and it certainly doesn't excuse the lack of a reasonably priced Mini - but you can basically treat it just like a desktop if desired. It has two USB 3.0 ports, thunderbolt port, a headphone jack and an SD card slot on the 13" model. I mostly use my own 2013 11" MacBook Air like this these days.

I think this is what @EightyTwenty was suggesting.
 
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They are very likely expanding their Fusion chips line (recently reported they were on a hiring spree with CPU engineers) and will undoubtably go with custom CPU's sometime in the future, it only makes sense.

I agree and believe this is the truth. I think they decided years ago to make the Mini the first custom chip Mac (likely along with a new MacBook), then started working on it, had unexpected delay(s), and refused to update the Mini in the meantime.
Similar to how the trash can Mac Pro was outdated almost immediately on release, and couldn’t be updated due to its thermal requirements. Instead of updating the beloved Cheese Grater, they held fast to the trash can...and now where is it? Still for sale of course, at full price.
That’s Tim Cook’s Apple.
 
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The MacBook Air can be used in "clamshell mode" with the lid closed, hidden behind an external monitor and connected to a keyboard and mouse. I'm not saying this is an ideal solution - and it certainly doesn't excuse the lack of a reasonably priced Mini - but you can basically treat it just like a desktop if desired. It has two USB 3.0 ports, thunderbolt port, a headphone jack and an SD card slot on the 13" model. I mostly use my own 2013 11" MacBook Air like this these days.

I think this is what @EightyTwenty was suggesting.

Or I could just continue to use and enjoy my self-build well spec'd Windows 10 PC. I'm retired and at the wrong end of life to be waiting and waiting and waiting for Apple to get off their backsides and make a decent Desktop again.
 
The MacBook Air can be used in "clamshell mode" with the lid closed, hidden behind an external monitor and connected to a keyboard and mouse. I'm not saying this is an ideal solution - and it certainly doesn't excuse the lack of a reasonably priced Mini - but you can basically treat it just like a desktop if desired. It has two USB 3.0 ports, thunderbolt port, a headphone jack and an SD card slot on the 13" model. I mostly use my own 2013 11" MacBook Air like this these days.

I think this is what @EightyTwenty was suggesting.

Despite the MBA only being a generation ahead of the Mini the Broadwell CPU is actually more efficient per clock due to the process shrink (14NM vs 22NM) and the CPUs are very close in benchmarks despite the disparity in clock speed (1.8GHz vs 2.6GHz for the middle model for example) - I would say that only the fact that the MBA has a 15w CPU and therefore probably unable to sustain turbo speeds as long as the Mini edges the Mini out past it.

Ironically, checking up the comparative specs, the HD6000 GPU appears to be more powerful (or comparable) to the Iris Graphics 5100 in the Mini.

This means little for the Mini per se but could be interesting if Apple were indeed looking to bring a Retina Screen to the MBA. Pricing becomes something of a factor when you consider in the UK that a Mac Mini middle SKU upgraded to 256Gb SSD (8Gb as standard) comes to £859 while the upper SKU MBA which can be bought off the shelf with 8Gb RAM and 256Gb SSD costs £1099.

For your extra £240 you get:
A screen (albeit TN non-retina)
A keyboard that isn't compromised
Nice big trackpad
Portable

Don't forget that being an off the shelf model the £1099 MBA is subject to retailer discounts - I have seen it for as little as £949 on the high street whereas an upgraded Mini could only be bought customised at Apple for full price.

Logically, therefore, a generously specified Mac Mini starts to look poor value up against the MBA which has the added value proposition of being a laptop.

If Apple were to give the MBA another speed bump to modern processors - for example giving it a i5-8250u, Thunderbolt 3, and even a retina screen - a Mini starts to look incredibly poor value if the MBA pricing is keen.

The notion of giving the MBA a Retina screen when there's no modern Iris Graphics enabled GPU currently on offer in the 15w range from Intel starts to look feasible for a non-Iris Graphics GPU when you consider that Apple equipped the 2013 and 2014 models with Haswell powered Iris Graphics 5100 which are theoretically outclassed by UHD620 graphics in the modern Coffee Lake U series CPUs. These would be cheaper than the Iris Graphics equipped 28w models so we could see Apple quietly dropping the non touch bar MacBook Pros in exchange for modernising the MBA instead.

Would they keep the Thunderbolt 2 chipset though or give it a more serious upgrade to Thunderbolt 3 while using the 'old' keyboard? Thunderbolt 3 could make the MBA very popular as it would open the door to eGPU support.
 
New Mini on the horizon? For those who held out this long the end might be in sight!

https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/particle-debris/apple-unleash-new-macs

The author sounds like an optimist. So I started reading more of his stuff. From another article after no new macs appeared at WWDC:
"There was a lot of software ground to cover in iOS 12, macOS 10.14, tvOS 12 and watchOS 5. Given that, Apple had to consider whether any of the new hardware candidates, especially Macs, could make the cut in an already packed keynote."

Ok, I can see that reasoning. If the Mini update was that inconsequential... At the end of the keynote, they could have just slipped in "... Oh by the way, we upgraded the mini. Please check out our website..."

Then I ran across:
https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/editorial/apple-new-mac-mini-mac-pro/
Hope he is right.
 
The author sounds like an optimist. So I started reading more of his stuff. From another article after no new macs appeared at WWDC:
"There was a lot of software ground to cover in iOS 12, macOS 10.14, tvOS 12 and watchOS 5. Given that, Apple had to consider whether any of the new hardware candidates, especially Macs, could make the cut in an already packed keynote."

Ok, I can see that reasoning. If the Mini update was that inconsequential... At the end of the keynote, they could have just slipped in "... Oh by the way, we upgraded the mini. Please check out our website..."

Then I ran across:
https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/editorial/apple-new-mac-mini-mac-pro/
Hope he is right.

That column is nothing new if you've been reading this thread for a few years. ;)

It does make sense for Apple to consolidate their modular Mac Pro into one unit, but I would say it might be overkill unless Apple are expecting anyone who wants to use a GPU to add it externally via eGPU.

They may design a case to use onboard graphics (even if a basic dGPU like a Radeon Pro 560X Pro because they may want decent performance for anyone who wants to plug in a 4k monitor to a headless box from a 'pro' product).

It would probably means 2 or more different motherboards in the same box and they may want to design to hit a certain TDP. For me, it seems more likely that Apple will be going down the road of continuing to use Thunderbolt as a connection standard and expecting their users to use external boxes for powerful GPU and storage.

After all, a basic user might not need a lot of empty space and if Apple are waiting till next year to offer Thunderbolt 4 non a USB-C connector then the penalty on eGPU won't be as big - each connection would offer the speed of PCIe 3.0 x8 which would be the same as PCIe 4.0 x4.

The higher end SKU would use Xeon to be able to offer 6+ Thunderbolt Ports while iX series CPUs would offer 2 at most, especially if they use a discrete onboard graphics which will lead most of them to be satisfied with what they have.

A $2k-3k SKU of the Modular Mac Pro could include a mobile chipset starting with i5-8305G which includes VEGA graphics for example but only 2 Thunderbolt ports. The fact that it just has 4 cores and 8 threads would nicely segment it away from the iMacs and this 'lower' MMP could come with SSD only SKUs (from 512Gb, say) and generous 16Gb of RAM to start with.

Anything higher than this has to start at $3-4k for what would essentially be a headless iMac Pro while the old 2014 Haswell Mini could continue on as a range starter but repriced or upspecced.
 
Given that very nearly all Apples current range of computers are ageing disgracefully, It is looking increasingly like Apple are gearing up for another one of their "Transitions"
Rather like when they transitioned from OS 9 to OS X, and PowerPC to Intel.
Transitioning to what I don't know, but there has been mutterings of Apple using different CPU's? (Or their own, again..?)
If thats the case then im not looking forward to going through that again..
A Freaking Men! That is really the only logical conclusion from the lack of updates. Remember Apple, just because you can does not mean you should.
 
How exactly do you sort out "happily buying" from "buying because I need a small headless macOS box and those [snip] clowns at Apple don't offer anything but this crapola"? That would make for quite the marketing survey.
Well, maybe not happily buying, but anyway buying. Nobody's forcing them, right?
Looking at Amazon's and other most sold lists, they are really still selling, which is sad.
 
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My biggest fear, which I think most of us here have, is that underneath all the "Mac hardware is important, be patient" messages we suspect Apple has lost its understanding of what made their systems compelling, and instead of Tim up on stage showing us the latest and us going "oooh, nice! wouldn't mind having one" we'll all be "3D face emojies are the big feature?? wtf? Why would I care?"
 
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