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I've had a few Minis over the years, starting with the first 1.42 GHz G4. I currently have a 2012 2.3 i7 and a 2014 2.6, both with 8 GB RAM. The 2012 leaves the 2014 for dead, even though the 2014 has a hybrid drive and the 2012 a 5400 RPM drive.

Apple should either release a significant update or kill it - it's as embarrassing a product as the Mac Pro, which is saying something.

What about the graphic quality in each? I can do 2560x1440 at 60 hz in my 2014 2.6, how does the 2012 compare?
 
300 Mbps internet fibre. My 2017 4 core i5 pulls in 299.5 Mbps.
My 2014 2.6 GHz mini, right next by, running off SSD, 165 Mbps.
These Minis are getting Seriously outdated!
 
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- Developers that have been forced to buy Macs would no longer be forced to, therefore reduced hardware revenue for Apple.

- The cost of porting and maintaining Xcode to Linux.

- Damage to the Mac brand, and Apple brand more broadly, from the message that it sends about Apple’s lack of confidence in the Mac platform.

On the other hand: is developer revenue even noticeable?

Porting Xcode to Linux would entail porting Cocoa to Linux. What in turn would entail they'd very likely have to open source Cocoa and Apple's display server.
A pretty interesting thought experiment don't you think?...
 
No downside from Apple’s perspective? How about things like:

- Developers that have been forced to buy Macs would no longer be forced to, therefore reduced hardware revenue for Apple.
I know several developers who are standing pat as long as possible, because Apple does not provide a Mac to their liking.

- The cost of porting and maintaining Xcode to Linux.
I can assure you that there is some flavor of Xcode running on iOS, linux, windows, intel, AMD and ARM, in the bowels of Cupertino. Not primed for mass production, but at least a good portion of the way towards it, so that Apple can be ready if the technology climate changes dramatically, or C-levels decide to pivot on a dime.

- Damage to the Mac brand, and Apple brand more broadly, from the message that it sends about Apple’s lack of confidence in the Mac platform.
Apple's brand is already damaged, when it comes to the Mac. I've not heard more negative talk about Apple, since the early/mid 90s. For professionals(power users versus starbucks 'pros'), Apple is punchline anymore.
 
I would not mind a really fine linux IDE, such as Apple's
I don't hold up much for it, however.

Well... Qt Creator is actually pretty good.

However, its not just the IDE - I doubt Apple could port Xcode without porting Cocoa; and - in case the port includes iOS development - Cocoa Touch.

Port also the Window Server and you could run macOS basically on a Linux kernel. Imagine macOS running on PC hardware, Ubuntu (or whatever your flavour of choice is) under the hood.

Won't happen of course (not in the foreseeable future at least). Still an interesting prospect...
 
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Competitor....?

For Windows users, for sure. For those who prefer MacOS, no way.
There is no MacOS competitor, so it really doesn’t need to be stated.

You buy what Apple offers, when you limit your self in that way. Right now, Apple doesn’t really care about anything but iOS and ever thinner MBPs.
 
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Competitor....?

For Windows users, for sure. For those who prefer MacOS, no way.
It's available for sale, and I thought the specs and price might be interesting to some readers for comparison with whatever Apple comes up with, when they get around to coming up with something. I did pause trying to figure out what to call that computer, and came up with competitor. Windows computers have more than 80% of the market according t0 these folks (https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/) so I think it's fair to say that windows machines are the competition. Of course you don't ave to buy one if you prefer MacOS, as I do.
 
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Just to throw more fuel on the SSD vs HDD issue... The guys who follow the supply channels say that flash memory costs will likely drop to about 1/3rd the current cost early next year (maybe even late this year). If that happens, then a 480G SATA SSD would only cost a little more than a 1T HDD. I can't imagine anyone wanting a HDD then
 
Just to throw more fuel on the SSD vs HDD issue... The guys who follow the supply channels say that flash memory costs will likely drop to about 1/3rd the current cost early next year (maybe even late this year). If that happens, then a 480G SATA SSD would only cost a little more than a 1T HDD. I can't imagine anyone wanting a HDD then
The RAM itself will be much cheaper, but an SSD is made up of more than just RAM.

Either way, expect the fanbois to STILL justify a spinner and a MUCH worse experience, than an SSD cheaply bought in bulk, by Apple.
 
The point of watching for an Xcode port is that it might be an excellent proxy for an internal decision at Apple to move away from macOS computers as anything but AIO appliances and maybe a very minimal Mini to keep the luring-from-Windows entry point alive. The port, if done well, would not be inexpensive for Apple as has been pointed out, so it’s not something they’d do on a lark. This might even be a signal for the end of macOS. The end-game might be to put ARM CPUs running iOS in all of Apple’s desktop offerings. Then the only parts of Xcode that they need to port is whatever is needed for building iOS apps. That also frees them from Intel. So much joy out of so little investment.
 
On the other hand: is developer revenue even noticeable?

Porting Xcode to Linux would entail porting Cocoa to Linux. What in turn would entail they'd very likely have to open source Cocoa and Apple's display server.
A pretty interesting thought experiment don't you think?...
Well at WWDC recently Tim Cook said that there are 20 million Apple developers so yes, that revenue is presumably noticeable.

But in any case, again, I don’t see the upside. Or in other words, why would Apple do this? It’s not like they are starved for developer interest in iOS.
 
I agree, don't get me wrong. Still, Xcode or Cocoa on Linux would be at least interesting, even though its not gonna happen
 
More Mac mini chassis design ideas...

Sleek design, aluminum body, easy-to-open case for unfettered access to user-upgradable components.

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I know several developers who are standing pat as long as possible, because Apple does not provide a Mac to their liking.

I can assure you that there is some flavor of Xcode running on iOS, linux, windows, intel, AMD and ARM, in the bowels of Cupertino. Not primed for mass production, but at least a good portion of the way towards it, so that Apple can be ready if the technology climate changes dramatically, or C-levels decide to pivot on a dime.

Apple's brand is already damaged, when it comes to the Mac. I've not heard more negative talk about Apple, since the early/mid 90s. For professionals(power users versus starbucks 'pros'), Apple is punchline anymore.
I do not believe that the upside of providing Xcode to those “developers who are standing pat as long as possible, because Apple does not provide a Mac to their liking” offsets the downside of reduced revenue from other developers who are buying Macs. It would be a weird situation for Apple to decide that the answer to the problem of some developers not buying Macs is to port Xcode to Linux. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Explain how you can assure me that there is a version of Xcode for all those platforms?

Personally I think it’s quite unlikely that Apple would spend (/waste) time and money on projects that aren’t specifically part of its platform strategy.

And on the last point, again, I don’t think it makes any sense that Apple would decide that the answer to that problem is to port Xcode to Linux.
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The point of watching for an Xcode port is that it might be an excellent proxy for an internal decision at Apple to move away from macOS computers as anything but AIO appliances and maybe a very minimal Mini to keep the luring-from-Windows entry point alive. The port, if done well, would not be inexpensive for Apple as has been pointed out, so it’s not something they’d do on a lark. This might even be a signal for the end of macOS. The end-game might be to put ARM CPUs running iOS in all of Apple’s desktop offerings. Then the only parts of Xcode that they need to port is whatever is needed for building iOS apps. That also frees them from Intel. So much joy out of so little investment.
But again, why? What is the upside from doing this and undermining their own platform in this way?

Apple sold >$5billion of Macs in the last quarter alone. Think about that for a minute. It’s ridiculous to suggest that Apple intends to disinvest itself of the Mac. On the contrary, I think Apple wants and expects significant growth.
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Look at my post just prior to yours. Developer interest in iOS is not the issue.
Okay - what is the issue?
 
It's available for sale, and I thought the specs and price might be interesting to some readers for comparison with whatever Apple comes up with, when they get around to coming up with something. I did pause trying to figure out what to call that computer, and came up with competitor. Windows computers have more than 80% of the market according t0 these folks (https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/) so I think it's fair to say that windows machines are the competition. Of course you don't ave to buy one if you prefer MacOS, as I do.
Well done, you have just reinforced my argument.
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Since Apple design and innovation is what it is, they will probably copy something they already have.

The new Mac Mini...

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Using one of these right now, and like the form factor with it's smaller footprint than the current, flatter shape.
 
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