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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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Would seem to be the sensible thing for some to do; would not be bothersome at all...... The new Mac Mini would still almost certainly be coming.
"The play is the thing wherein we'll capture the conscience of the king!" - and lo ... as time passes we'll await ... for the new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming - some don't get it ... and hold dear the gestures and articulations that without such time would actually pass a bit slower ... as mankind will always find a way to make that difference an inference in the wake of the moment and in expectation of fate! ... and away we go ...
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Don't be silly mate. Micky has explained himself, we'll just a bit more careful about how we read our posts in future
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What will we do when it finally turns up?
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Or take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them...
Dunno what you are going to do when the Mac Mini almost certainly finally turns up.
I'll make a repair or replace decision about my early 2009 Mac Mini when it breaks down or no longer meets my needs. Having been a Mac Mini owner since 2005, sooner or later I'll almost certainly get a new Mac Mini.
And as for the Mac Mini, when the Mac Mini that is almost certainly coming finally turns up, then the next new Mac Minis will almost certainly be coming..... eternally, more or less
IMO, you would be wiser to stick with them... or even better, just ignore him completely.
IMO, you would be wiser to stick with them... or even better, just ignore him completely.
And "this" could be the approach Apple takes with our community and to our angst we're diminished - I say leave open an ear to humanity for each song has it's own melody.
What is sad about buying an updated Mac Mini? What a stupid comment.
Yeah you do ... clearly it's the former and not the latter as you have no basis to assume this community will be gullible in light of a new Mini offering - in fact I suspect there will be intense scrutiny with some jumping at the opportunity to upgrade due to need and others holding off to get a glimpse over the horizon.
Reality (actual usage needs) has set in for most users over the long haul and the fact that many are still waiting instead of jumping ship demonstrates the discerning nature of the user base which is far from "sad".
At this point I won't even characterize Apple's purported strategy - they've been known to get up off the canvas rather eloquently - let's wait and see...
Two aspects that have been thrown about that may elicit feelings of sadness are "modularity" and the inference that the Mini will target "Pro-sumers" more so in this iteration - this may be an area of concern with respect to affordability and scale-ability.
I'm actually quite happy "the new Mac Mini is certainly coming" and I look forward to the banter that will ensue right here or in the next thread to eclipse this one - "Wow the new Mac Mini is almost certainly too expensive and too gorgeous not to own!" (hopefully)
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Apple has not only neglected the desktop lineup to the point of pretty much abandonment, but in my view has treated their customer base with complete disrespect. The wealthiest tech company can't be bothered to update their machines like every other brand, even the small ones with a larger range of products, for years even, without much of a word on it.
Additionally, macOS seems to be an afterthought to Apple in recent years. They've made many decisions which I view as anti-consumer, whether it comes to locking down software or reducing the ability to repair or upgrade, and I am questionable about how that (especially the software) will pan out in the future.
I hope to be surprised and have Apple turn around, but that hope has faded through the past 5 years. In my estimation, Apple would rather see everyone move over to the highly controlled iOS platform. That's fine, but I don't want to invest any more money into a platform that's so neglected and with a questionable future.
To be fair ... do check industry trends - Desktop as a Service (DAAS) is gaining steam in the Microsoft world, in light of that fact and my recent introduction to Win10 I'll cope with MacOS a bit longer.
I don't mean to imply that this community will be "gullible"... I mean to imply that Apple does not care at all about this community or making a Mini that this community would like.
It is sad, like when someone is in a marriage with someone who has clearly moved on, and they just hang until it's officially over. Who knows, maybe Apple will turn around completely, but I have yet to see a reason to believe that to be the case.
People certainly are making their Minis last longer (generally the 2012s, not the "current" 2014 model) because there is no Mini replacement. The only option would be to jump ship if they would like something more current.
I sympathise with you but your only option is to stop buying Apple products. They will only listen if enough consumers stop buying their products.
Couldn't agree with you more ... but in my case, (2012 Mini), I haven't needed a new machine either which is respectful.
It certainly is an interesting prospect. You do still need hardware to run it on, though, with features like USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports. DAAS seems to me like a solution for using the desktop on mobile devices like tablets.
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Sadly, I know. I had hopes that enough community support for something would matter, but it doesn't seem to. I have had to stop buying Apple products for now because of the reasons mentioned earlier.
I replaced my finely aged 2010 17" MBP with a 1-month old Lenovo ThinkPad that I got for about USD $285; still has warranty, really nice keyboard, the ports I need, user-replaceable RAM and storage, 15-20 hours of battery life, 1080p IPS display, etc. I mean, it isn't as nice as a new MBP but it cost about 1/6 and I only have limited need of a laptop since I have my desktop at home. I had been planning on buying a MBP for several years when the 15" was only CAD $2000 -- now they start at CAD $3200.
Given the time they have taken to get iCloud anywhere near acceptable Apple has a long way to go with Desktop As a Service. I'm not even sure that professionals would want to rely on a service by Apple which they could just as easily shutter or let crumble for years because they lack interest in it after launch or are mismanaging it.
In a little over a year Microsoft will start charging for Windows 7 updates, and I probably won't even be able to buy them if I want to
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...ge-windows-10-free-upgrade-cost/#d3664212db17
I only use Windows to run some specialized old software that would probably break by upgrading to Windows 10.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...ge-windows-10-free-upgrade-cost/#d3664212db17
I only use Windows to run some specialized old software that would probably break by upgrading to Windows 10.
Extra processing power for iOS devices would be interesting though.
I thought Windows 10 was the 'last' version of Windows? On the basis that Microsoft want people to have less traumatic updates that they will opt out of, they'll just keep supplying service packs for Windows 10 to keep people up to date? They are making secondary income from Office 365 tied to One Drive etc?
That's Windows extended support - meant for corporations etc. The last few months of support before they can it completely. I'd say that's fair enough for MS.
What's more interesting is the prospect of Microsoft charging for updates to Windows 10. It's in their interest to keep users patched up - it's a reputation hit if negative stories continue to show up about viruses preying on the system. You could argue that users of Office 365 are already paying a subscription fee to Microsoft, and perhaps they should segregate Windows 10 to offer features to make the subscription fee worthwhile.
Other app developers like Adobe already do this to keep the money coming in for maintenance and future features - Apple should make more of their iCloud for example, and Apple Music is another subscription service.
It's not unique to Windows either as some macOS developers use the monthly fee thing to keep the lights on.
I replaced my finely aged 2010 17" MBP with a 1-month old Lenovo ThinkPad that I got for about USD $285; still has warranty, really nice keyboard, the ports I need, user-replaceable RAM and storage, 15-20 hours of battery life, 1080p IPS display, etc. I mean, it isn't as nice as a new MBP but it cost about 1/6 and I only have limited need of a laptop since I have my desktop at home. I had been planning on buying a MBP for several years when the 15" was only CAD $2000 -- now they start at CAD $3200.
As with their iOS devices, Apple are chasing the profitable upper end of the market. They won't make as much money out of the budget end of the market.
Your point about the 15" MBP is valid though. People wanting a 15" MBP had a new option and then it was yanked from them because the Touch bar (and secondarily the T2 CPU) was designed in and we ended up paying extra for a unit with higher repair costs.
I have made the point separately that, rather than a 13" non touch bar MacBook Pro, Apple should consider a 15" MacBook (with no touch bar, lesser CPU) for the people who would like that size of machine. In the UK, the base 2015 15" MacBook Pro SKU used to sell for £1599, on the day of the 2016 MacBook Pro launch this option was wiped out and the base SKU of that went up to £2349 - compare with the top SKU 2015 MacBook Pro which was £1999.
That's a £750 uplift for base model 2015 to 2016 or almost the price of an MBA.
The base model 2015 was kept around as an 'entry level' option for £1899 - yes, a flat out price increase of £300 due to exchange rate alone - but only recently got put on 'clearance' but at the original price.
If Apple were to put out a quad core 15" MacBook with no touchbar for £1999 it would surely offer an option to buyers rather than trying to shoehorn 2 13" models under the current MacBook Pro 13".
Apple already have a forthcoming 13" MBA replacement coming and the non touch bar MacBook Pro is totally wasted with only 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports and no suitable CPU.
And somewhere in the middle of this, the (almost certainly coming) 2018 Mac Mini needs to borrow from the parts bin somewhere. Apple's hand is surely being forced by the prospect of forever being labelled do-not-buy as a dual core machine in a quad core world.
The Mini was also hit by the price rise in 2016. Imagine 2 years after the launch of a divisive version Mac Mini, and hoping for a better version of it to be launched you get no update and a price increase instead? The £399 base model went up to £479 - I call that a 20% increase for no extra ability. And 2 years later it's still on sale for more than you could have bought it for in 2014...
And now we're in the year that Intel hex core PCs are available, plus AMD Ryzen which offers even more cores.
Quite a "few" months, since they say it will be supported until 2023 actually.
I just got Office 365 recently and have to say it's a remarkable value for a Microsoft product. I paid $60/year for the personal edition which includes 1TB of storage on OneDrive. And versions for my iphone, ipad and Mac were included. A few days ago I got an e-mail that this will be upgraded at no charge in October to allow installation on 5 separate devices and have them all logged in at the same time.
Quite a "few" months, since they say it will be supported until 2023 actually.
I just got Office 365 recently and have to say it's a remarkable value for a Microsoft product. I paid $60/year for the personal edition which includes 1TB of storage on OneDrive. And versions for my iphone, ipad and Mac were included. A few days ago I got an e-mail that this will be upgraded at no charge in October to allow installation on 5 separate devices and have them all logged in at the same time.
Today my 365 subs expired -excellent value offer from iPad Air to 10.5 pro upgrade 2017 -enjoyed my free 1 year 365 subs-thanks o2!
I replaced my finely aged 2010 17" MBP with a 1-month old Lenovo ThinkPad that I got for about USD $285; still has warranty, really nice keyboard, the ports I need, user-replaceable RAM and storage, 15-20 hours of battery life, 1080p IPS display, etc. I mean, it isn't as nice as a new MBP but it cost about 1/6 and I only have limited need of a laptop since I have my desktop at home. I had been planning on buying a MBP for several years when the 15" was only CAD $2000 -- now they start at CAD $3200.
Yes, it's very unfortunate.
It went up by 20% because the British pound fell significantly against the US dollar so Apple had to increase prices. If you look at the price of a 1.4 GHz Mac mini, it's $499 US dollars and this does not include applicable sales tax. Today the exchange rate takes this to roughly £385. Add 20% VAT on that and you get £462. That's £17 more. So let's say we're paying £20 more than US customers. Is that an obscene difference? Not so much. We are paying more because of the weak pound but that's a different matter altogether and nothing to do with Apple. Not defending their choice, but it's important to consider facts here.
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MacRumors: "There's not a lot of additional information available on the Mac mini, but a previous rumor suggested the higher-end version "won't be so mini anymore" hinting at least one configuration with a larger size to accommodate higher-end components."
I keep getting stuck on this one - leading me to believe the response to the new Mini will shape the future of the MacPro and maybe a whole new emphasis on the Mini as the core headless desktop (more in line with the distant past) allowing the machine to be configured as "entry" all the way up to "pro-sumer" which would about cover it for most of us (it would seem this is where the headless desktop money is) - leaving the MacPro for the processor-hungry elite.
Fortunately it's not a stretch to grow the Mini in several robust configurations by November - almost a given the form-factor will change and yes, this "is" pretty exciting. I would expect that "innovation and modularity" to be very apparent in the new Mini in terms of upgrading, connectivity, power, cooling and peripherals in order to span "entry to pro-sumer". Pending the uptake on the Mini we may never see a new MacPro in 2019.
It would be nice to be able to tether the iPad screen to the Mini as well.
I see innovation as "empowerment" to change (getting things done) - so... the way modularity is achieved, how users benefit from connectivity, how the machine adapts to varying demands, the cost-effectiveness of the solution and the extension of capability are the things I relate to innovation.
... and simply restoring choice, options and flexibility equates to innovation in these times.
In this manner I hope Apple brings it on!
I keep getting stuck on this one - leading me to believe the response to the new Mini will shape the future of the MacPro and maybe a whole new emphasis on the Mini as the core headless desktop (more in line with the distant past) allowing the machine to be configured as "entry" all the way up to "pro-sumer" which would about cover it for most of us (it would seem this is where the headless desktop money is) - leaving the MacPro for the processor-hungry elite.
Fortunately it's not a stretch to grow the Mini in several robust configurations by November - almost a given the form-factor will change and yes, this "is" pretty exciting. I would expect that "innovation and modularity" to be very apparent in the new Mini in terms of upgrading, connectivity, power, cooling and peripherals in order to span "entry to pro-sumer". Pending the uptake on the Mini we may never see a new MacPro in 2019.
It would be nice to be able to tether the iPad screen to the Mini as well.
I see innovation as "empowerment" to change (getting things done) - so... the way modularity is achieved, how users benefit from connectivity, how the machine adapts to varying demands, the cost-effectiveness of the solution and the extension of capability are the things I relate to innovation.
... and simply restoring choice, options and flexibility equates to innovation in these times.
In this manner I hope Apple brings it on!
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