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Yes, Apple used 2.5" SSDs before the NGFF was ever a gleam in a Standards body's eyes. Here is a brief, and probably incomplete history:
  • Apple used 2.5" SSDs beginning with the Mid 2010 iMacs (256GB only), but switched to blades with the Late 2012 models. Apple used 2.5" SSDs with some models of the MacBook Pro. I do not remember when they began offering them, but the last model to get them was the Mid 2012 15-inch and 13-inch (NON-Retina).
  • Apple used non-standard 1.8" drives in the original 2008-2009 MacBook Air before switching to SATA and later PCIe flash blades, starting with the 2010 MacBook Air.
  • Apple used 2.5" SSDs in the Mid 2011 and Late 2012 Mac minis.
  • Apple used 2.5" SSDs in the Mid 2010 and Mid 2012 Mac Pros.
Apple's prices on the SSDs are not cheap, but they are not using budget SSD in their computers, they are using top of the line or near top of the line Samsung NVMe NAND that would end up in the 970 EVO or Pro, not a Team Group or Silicon Power value SSD. If Apple ever decided to use 2.5" SSDs in their iMacs or Mac minis, you can bet it would probably not be a SATA 3 drive, (more like a U.2, but then what's the point), which is why I think they stick to spinning HDDs and Fusion drives until they can make the switch over to having a completely flash based lineup in the next 2-3 years.

That being said, I understand that it can be a bit frustrating as something on the level of a Samsung 860 EVO or Crucial MX500 has Read/Write performance that surpasses the performance of the SATA blade in the original Mid 2012 Retina MacBook Pro, which still has good performance at this point (~300MB Write/~320MBRead) and still works fine for a lot of people who are still using one (me included). With a Samsung 860 EVO-based drive in a 21.5" iMac, a Fusion drive would not be necessary, although the average user would still have to deal with less storage than they get with an HDD or a Fusion drive, which is why I think Apple sticks with those configurations on the low end of the price scale to provide value for those users. Hopefully, NAND prices will continue to fall and Apple's investment in Toshiba will bring prices down for BTO options or at least higher capacity at the same prices.

I thought they used Samsung 830Pro SATA SSDs back in the day (alongside Sandisk and later Toshiba) from what I recall from 2011 Macs - very good quality and not cheap at all but obviously the usual Apple mark-up.

Apple at the moment are aiming towards captive NAND or custom connectors driven by the T2 ARM chip in more expensive models. It remains to be seen if Apple plan to add the T2 to lower priced Macs - if they do then I would suggest they have to mitigate the price of adding the T2 by switching to more powerful CPU.

A 2018 Mini with Iris Graphics 28w parts plus the T2 to control SSD would be an example - they might even go the whole hog and introduce a new case and with it free themselves to choose from a winder range of more powerful CPUs with the 2018 Mini. At the end of the day, by planting the T2 CPU in now they can add custom NAND SSD and also in future allow macOS to require a T2 CPU - making Hackintosh machines a virtual impossibility.

A 2.5" SATA bay in the next Mini would be great for adding storage, even better if it were user accessible.
 
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October 2018 based on reporting in Bloomberg. See also MacRumors.com's Buyers Guide for Mac Mini.
No consensus then, just an opinion.

October, along with other months, has been opined several times over several years.

To be sure the last three updates have come in October, but updates have also come in February, March, June, July, August and September over the years since the Mac Mini first arrived in January 2005 (I bought one three months later) at intervals of a few months to a few years. Maybe the new Mac Mini, which is almost certainly coming, will arrive in another month to continue the irregular pattern.

At one stage there was something of a consensus on this thread that the update would come on Tuesday, which may or may not come to be.
 
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Whose consensus? Which October?
Intel's Roadmaps have pointed to an October 2018 launch for the 9th generation CPUs for the past few months. How many are actually launching at that time is still somewhat up in the air.

I found a slide that states that only the Core i9-9900K, Core i7-9700K and the Core i5-9600K will be released in October of this year with the rest of the SKUs begin available in Q1 '19. Those three CPUs represent the top line of the current 2017 27" iMacs, which is currently only filled by two Kaby Lake CPUs (i5-7600K and i7-7700K). The Core i9-9900K will either represent another step up BTO option after the i7-9700K, Apple could skip that CPU entirely or move the i7-9700K down one notch into the spot currently held by the 7600K($2299), and the 9600K down to the $1999 spot held by the i5-7600. This would only leave a single pre-configured iMac without a 9th Gen CPU, the base $1799 iMac, which could end up using the Core i5-8500.

For the 21.5" iMac, my contention has always been that it would end up with the 8th generation CPUs (i5-8400, i5-8500 and i7-8700).

Because Apple cannot introduce new iMacs with 9th generation CPUs until Intel formally introduces them, they will probably opt to introduce a revised Mac mini and the (much rumored) 13"/14" MacBook at that same time. Which week exactly Intel makes the introduction is still not pinned down, but consensus seems to point to an October 1st introduction, which gives OEMs time to introduce computers based on the new CPUs as well as get supplies ramped up before going into the holiday shopping season.
 
Intel's Roadmaps have pointed to an October 2018 launch for the 9th generation CPUs for the past few months. How many are actually launching at that time is still somewhat up in the air.

I found a slide that states that only the Core i9-9900K, Core i7-9700K and the Core i5-9600K will be released in October of this year with the rest of the SKUs begin available in Q1 '19. Those three CPUs represent the top line of the current 2017 27" iMacs, which is currently only filled by two Kaby Lake CPUs (i5-7600K and i7-7700K). The Core i9-9900K will either represent another step up BTO option after the i7-9700K, Apple could skip that CPU entirely or move the i7-9700K down one notch into the spot currently held by the 7600K($2299), and the 9600K down to the $1999 spot held by the i5-7600. This would only leave a single pre-configured iMac without a 9th Gen CPU, the base $1799 iMac, which could end up using the Core i5-8500.

For the 21.5" iMac, my contention has always been that it would end up with the 8th generation CPUs (i5-8400, i5-8500 and i7-8700).

Because Apple cannot introduce new iMacs with 9th generation CPUs until Intel formally introduces them, they will probably opt to introduce a revised Mac mini and the (much rumored) 13"/14" MacBook at that same time. Which week exactly Intel makes the introduction is still not pinned down, but consensus seems to point to an October 1st introduction, which gives OEMs time to introduce computers based on the new CPUs as well as get supplies ramped up before going into the holiday shopping season.
Still just an opinion, or a contention, not a consensus.
 
Still just an opinion, or a contention, not a consensus.

I'm afraid you'll have to find people who support you supposition that the Mac Mini almost certainly isn't coming this October given the Bloomberg article. You might not agree with it but I'd say that's more than an 'opinion' and many people on here are becoming excited at the prospect of a 2018 Mini by the end of October.

Apple may have a roaming release schedule in recent years but it's much more predictable than you'd imagine. October is the last realistic release month before 2019, we already had laptops in the weeks after WWDC this year.
 
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I'm afraid you'll have to find people who support you supposition that the Mac Mini almost certainly isn't coming this October given the Bloomberg article. You might not agree with it but I'd say that's more than an 'opinion'

The linked article doesn't assert that anything is happening in October. Instead, it mentions that some things have happened in October in the past.

We're only about two pips away from an opinion and miles from a consensus.
 
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The linked article doesn't assert that anything is happening in October. Instead, it mentions that some things have happened in October in the past.

We're only about two pips away from an opinion and miles from a consensus.

Here’s the skinny - It will happen between now and November 21st or slip to 2019. Apple won’t release something after Black Friday, period...so now you have a time frame. Have a party...or not.
 
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I'm afraid you'll have to find people who support you supposition that the Mac Mini almost certainly isn't coming this October given the Bloomberg article. You might not agree with it but I'd say that's more than an 'opinion' and many people on here are becoming excited at the prospect of a 2018 Mini by the end of October.

Apple may have a roaming release schedule in recent years but it's much more predictable than you'd imagine. October is the last realistic release month before 2019, we already had laptops in the weeks after WWDC this year.
Did I proffer any supposition?
 
I am so glad its almost here

From what i've read, it seems even iPads may not be shown at next weeks event. I'm hoping for everything to be announced, or at least iPhones, Watches and iPads. I can see some Macs being given press releases like the MBPs.
 
Well since people from Apple do read these forums, I think they should release it on the 7th Dec (5 years after the thread started). :D
 
Did I proffer any supposition?

By definition knocking down other people's evidence with a wave of the hand is offering your own opinion on matters - consensus or not. You are effectively saying that Mark Gurman and Debby Wu's story for Bloomberg is no better than some of the guesses (both educated and wild) that have seen light of day in this thread. Whether you rate the accuracy of their (or Ming Chi Kuo's) sources you can't deny that they'll have better information than what we can come up with - which basically amounts to going through previous launch dates, reading press releases, checking bench marks etc. This is precisely what I'm doing below by the way.

It's easy to dismiss any of these journalists but then you go on to quote 'irregular' launch dates for Minis in the past without contextualising as to what's going on in the background. Effectively saying a Mini could drop any time and not just October which is what I will be saying based on the track record of previous years*, availability of (6 core) CPUs, and

Some of these launches will have been coinciding with desktop and/or laptop releases. Some may have been down to delays or availability of suitable Intel CPUs. I have no doubt Apple had bigger fish to fry on some of the gap years.

I contend that Apple's launch dates are certainly not 'irregular' but are in fact semi predictable assuming they are settling on an annual update

As someone else has said, Apple won't release unannounced gear after Black Friday (late November) because it's too late for the holiday season. I will also point to the fact that Apple sometimes launch stuff right into specific quarters for accounting purposes. Sometimes projects get delayed.

* OK, so going back a few years.

From Everymac.com
2018 July - High end MacBook Pros with Touchbars
2017 December - pre-announced iMac Pro trickles onto the scene so Apple can keep launch promise
2017 June - Massive Machine update including iMacs which never got looked at in October 2016 with Kaby Lake late.
2016 October - MacBook Pros (Touchbars took all the resources), MacBooks were bumped in April
2015 October - iMacs got Skylake update
2015 March/April - MacBooks introduced in April, MBA bumped in March
2014 October - Mac Mini 2014 - Haswell CPU still being used; iMac 5k
2014 July - MacBook Pro 13" and 15" bumped but still on Haswell as Intel lag
2014 April - MacBook Air bumped
2013 December - pre-announced 2013 Mac Pro trickles onto the scene so Apple can keep launch promise
2013 October - MacBook Pro Retina with Iris Graphics, iMac gets Haswell
2013 February - MacBook Pro Retina improved
2012 October - Mac Mini 2012, iMac updated with Ivy Bridge CPU
2012 June - MacBook Pro Retina introduced at WWDC, Mac Pro 2012 bump model launched too
2011 October - MacBook Pro Sandy Bridge updated again
2011 July - Mac Mini 2011, MBA
2011 May - iMac Sandy Bridge
2011 February - MacBook Pro Sandy Bridge

Note - Mac Mini in red for context. Apple have generally launched desktop hardware in October for the last six years except where Intel went and screwed up on delivery dates of required CPUs. Apple then sit tight till their next preferred release date rather than drop them immediately the CPUs become available - see the 2016 launches. Intel missed the Kaby Lake boat for an October 2016 iMac (in Europe the price went up by around 20% because of BREXIT and other exchange rate issues).

In fact despite Kaby Lake becoming more available late that year it was a further 6 months later - in June 2017 - that Skylake showed up in the June 2016 iMacs. Apple could have dropped them any time in H1 2017 but waited until a significant launch date - the engineering dept. were probably also busy handling the infamous 2016 MacBooks and Touchbars.

So from that quickly sketched list we see Intel probably to blame for late arrival of at least some of the Macs on the list due to Broadwell debacle leading Apple to hold on to three short generations of Haswell. Some of the June releases are new revolutionary tech which Apple decide to show off at WWDC so Apple were probably deliberately aiming at WWDC.

In terms of October releases, we have October releases annually going back to 2012 - only skipping October in 2017 because they had already chosen to do an early release in June that year because Skylake had missed the boat for 2016 the year before.

Coffee Lake is the biggest update in years - Apple can't afford to miss out. They have updated the MacBook Pros. Logically, October has to be the month that they also do the iMac too. And we're back at the Bloomberg story about the new Mini almost certainly coming. If they don't update the Mini they may as well discontinue it because the 2014 Mini looks awful value for money next to cheap quad core NUCs in the coming months.

Even without the Bloomberg article the logic behind a Mac mini update this year is very strong although I would have put the Mini update out to coincide with the Mac Pro 2019. The fact that it may come months before the modular Mac Pro suggests to me that it won't threaten the mMP 2019.
 
By definition knocking down other people's evidence with a wave of the hand is offering your own opinion on matters - consensus or not. You are effectively saying that Mark Gurman and Debby Wu's story for Bloomberg is no better than some of the guesses (both educated and wild) that have seen light of day in this thread. Whether you rate the accuracy of their (or Ming Chi Kuo's) sources you can't deny that they'll have better information than what we can come up with - which basically amounts to going through previous launch dates, reading press releases, checking bench marks etc. This is precisely what I'm doing below by the way.

It's easy to dismiss any of these journalists but then you go on to quote 'irregular' launch dates for Minis in the past without contextualising as to what's going on in the background. Effectively saying a Mini could drop any time and not just October which is what I will be saying based on the track record of previous years*, availability of (6 core) CPUs, and

Some of these launches will have been coinciding with desktop and/or laptop releases. Some may have been down to delays or availability of suitable Intel CPUs. I have no doubt Apple had bigger fish to fry on some of the gap years.

I contend that Apple's launch dates are certainly not 'irregular' but are in fact semi predictable assuming they are settling on an annual update

As someone else has said, Apple won't release unannounced gear after Black Friday (late November) because it's too late for the holiday season. I will also point to the fact that Apple sometimes launch stuff right into specific quarters for accounting purposes. Sometimes projects get delayed.

* OK, so going back a few years.

From Everymac.com
2018 July - High end MacBook Pros with Touchbars
2017 December - pre-announced iMac Pro trickles onto the scene so Apple can keep launch promise
2017 June - Massive Machine update including iMacs which never got looked at in October 2016 with Kaby Lake late.
2016 October - MacBook Pros (Touchbars took all the resources), MacBooks were bumped in April
2015 October - iMacs got Skylake update
2015 March/April - MacBooks introduced in April, MBA bumped in March
2014 October - Mac Mini 2014 - Haswell CPU still being used; iMac 5k
2014 July - MacBook Pro 13" and 15" bumped but still on Haswell as Intel lag
2014 April - MacBook Air bumped
2013 December - pre-announced 2013 Mac Pro trickles onto the scene so Apple can keep launch promise
2013 October - MacBook Pro Retina with Iris Graphics, iMac gets Haswell
2013 February - MacBook Pro Retina improved
2012 October - Mac Mini 2012, iMac updated with Ivy Bridge CPU
2012 June - MacBook Pro Retina introduced at WWDC, Mac Pro 2012 bump model launched too
2011 October - MacBook Pro Sandy Bridge updated again
2011 July - Mac Mini 2011, MBA
2011 May - iMac Sandy Bridge
2011 February - MacBook Pro Sandy Bridge

Note - Mac Mini in red for context. Apple have generally launched desktop hardware in October for the last six years except where Intel went and screwed up on delivery dates of required CPUs. Apple then sit tight till their next preferred release date rather than drop them immediately the CPUs become available - see the 2016 launches. Intel missed the Kaby Lake boat for an October 2016 iMac (in Europe the price went up by around 20% because of BREXIT and other exchange rate issues).

In fact despite Kaby Lake becoming more available late that year it was a further 6 months later - in June 2017 - that Skylake showed up in the June 2016 iMacs. Apple could have dropped them any time in H1 2017 but waited until a significant launch date - the engineering dept. were probably also busy handling the infamous 2016 MacBooks and Touchbars.

So from that quickly sketched list we see Intel probably to blame for late arrival of at least some of the Macs on the list due to Broadwell debacle leading Apple to hold on to three short generations of Haswell. Some of the June releases are new revolutionary tech which Apple decide to show off at WWDC so Apple were probably deliberately aiming at WWDC.

In terms of October releases, we have October releases annually going back to 2012 - only skipping October in 2017 because they had already chosen to do an early release in June that year because Skylake had missed the boat for 2016 the year before.

Coffee Lake is the biggest update in years - Apple can't afford to miss out. They have updated the MacBook Pros. Logically, October has to be the month that they also do the iMac too. And we're back at the Bloomberg story about the new Mini almost certainly coming. If they don't update the Mini they may as well discontinue it because the 2014 Mini looks awful value for money next to cheap quad core NUCs in the coming months.

Even without the Bloomberg article the logic behind a Mac mini update this year is very strong although I would have put the Mini update out to coincide with the Mac Pro 2019. The fact that it may come months before the modular Mac Pro suggests to me that it won't threaten the mMP 2019.
Did I knock down other people's evidence?
 
Why not? This thread has never had much basis in fact. It came to be with the speculative opinion that the new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming.

The basis is fact is on the end of lots of links that some of us put out to support our assumptions and they are on the whole good sources. For example, here's one from a while back - Piker Alpha has now apparently joined Apple. He puts out a suggestion that the top SKU Mini may not be so mini. I'll leave the link in here, he may have got the iMac Pro wrong but he claims to have had a source.

I'll assume that you, and Appleaker for that matter (yes, I know, I've poked the dragon!), don't have English as a first language so I'll cut you a break. I'll also not name other recent members of this thread who have been participating in the banter element of claiming that the Mac is almost certainly coming. These guys have made this long standing thread fun with variations on that sign off and they get the joke. Because if we explain the joke it's automatically not funny any more, right guys? :p

The next thing for the Brits in this thread is to start adapting Mornington Crescent to our remarks and that's REALLY going to confuse the non-native English speakers.

One point I will put across is your bizarre remark about earlier mention of the Macrumors Buyers Guide as well as the Bloomberg article.

No consensus then, just an opinion.

With that statement you effectively declare the Buyers Guide and a couple of paid journalists at Bloomberg (yes, it's their day job) as a waste of time. Why?

That's bizarre at the very least, insulting at worst - refer back to Appleaker who goes one step further - actually declaring that people having their guesses (educated or not) flat out wrong because he knew what was coming and all would be revealed. True or not, it's going to get hackles up. :mad:

I'm sure people are waiting to see if there's an Intel i9 which makes an appearance in the forthcoming iMac just to see how Appleaker justifies all of his 'predictions'.

By all means have a laugh at the Digitimes nonsense that appears from time to time - but I haven't seen much from them about a Mac Mini in recent years. It's worthwhile paying attention to Bloomberg because you'd think they'd check and double check their sources before putting a story out. Their credibility is on the line.

I get that you don't necessarily agree with various posts in here - there's a lot of different opinions available. Please just work out where people are saying it with tongue in cheek. Or bung an emoticon in for clarity. :)

Did I knock down other people's evidence?

For some people you have. Be careful with your words when you don't use many. :rolleyes:

If, on the other hand, your view on 'facts' sees the links and news stories as pointless conjecture, you needn't waste any more time on this thread.
 
I'll assume that you, and Appleaker for that matter (yes, I know, I've poked the dragon!), don't have English as a first language so I'll cut you a break.
Correct, if you assume that, as a bilingual Antipodean, I am not a native speaker of American English.

Please just work out where people are saying it with tongue in cheek.
Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Or bung an emoticon in for clarity. :)
I reckon words should be able to stand on their own, without adornment. But then my formative years were long gone by the time emoticons came to be.

Be careful with your words when you don't use many. :rolleyes:

If, on the other hand, your view on 'facts' sees the links and news stories as pointless conjecture, you needn't waste any more time on this thread.

Perhaps you could be a little more succinct with your advice.
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The tension is mounting
The new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming!
 
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