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Obviously the players won't just accept the deal the way the NHL proposed it this time, but it's progress. The biggest thing that needed to happen was that the owners needed to show they were willing to play ball and negotiate instead of just standing firm. Now that they've done that, and come up with what should be an acceptable number for one of the key issues, it will hopefully allow them to start real negotiations on the rest of the issues. They should be able to get something worked out if both sides are willing to make some concessions.

We'll see just how close it is when their first counter-offer happens in the next couple days.
 
Here is part of the proposal, per ESPN:

-- There were several contradicting reports out there Tuesday regarding the entry-level system, but multiple sources confirmed the new proposal would see ELS go from three years to two years in length. The one caveat is that if you’re a player for example that’s coming from college and joining your NHL team late in the season -- think Chris Kreider of the Rangers -- that doesn’t count against your two-year, entry-level commitment. You would still have to play two full seasons under an entry-level deal. What the offer Tuesday laid out is two full seasons of entry level.

-- You may wonder why the heck the league would want to shorten the entry-level deal. Combined with the fact that the league also asked for a five-year limit on term for contracts and UFA eligibility to go to eight years or 28 years old, what the league is trying to do here is change the dynamics of the second contract -- limit the financial flexibility of the second contract -- and change the system so that players now make their big money in the third contract.

-- Where as a 50-50 split of revenues would see the 2012-13 salary cap lowered to $59.9 million, the league’s offer calls for all 30 teams to be able to spend up to $70.2 million (this past summer’s cap) for the first year of the deal; essentially giving all 30 teams a 12-month transition period. By Year 2 they must comply with the cap. This is significant given the number of teams that would have been over the cap with not very much time to get under it before the puck drops.
There are tighter restrictions on the year-to-year salary in player contracts. The salaries can only increase or decrease by no more than 5 percent. Again, this is an attempt to mitigate the "cheat deals" and front-loading that happened in the past CBA. The league’s initial offer in July called for flat salaries across all contracts, so this is a bit of a change, although not much.

-- The NHL offer proposes to make the salaries of minor-league players on NHL contracts (above a threshold of $105,000) count against the salary cap. This is to prevent teams from stashing players in the minors (think Wade Redden).

-- Embracing an idea first proposed by Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke years ago, the league’s offer included the ability to retain salary in trades. Under the expired CBA, teams could not trade or keep parts of a player’s salary in a trade. This new provision would obviously facilitate trades in a cap market that saw deals minimized, especially in the first half of the season.

-- All existing NHL contracts which go longer than five years will be subject to new cap calculations, specifically those deals will count against a team's cap regardless of whether the player is still playing or not. My belief here is that this is the NHL's attempt at correcting the so-called "cheat deals" or back-diving deals -- like those of Marian Hossa or Roberto Luongo -- which carry bogus salaries at the end of deals to lower the cap hit.

-- There were conflicting reports about the dynamics or definition of hockey-related revenue in this offer. To be clear: a league source says the NHL does NOT try to change the definition of HRR in this offer like it attempted to in the summer. These are the same old definitions of HRR used in this new offer. Having said that, my guess is that giving the back and forth on HRR language all summer long, the NHLPA will seek further clarification on this Wednesday in its phone call with the league.

-- It is a six-year deal with a "mutual option" for a seventh year.

-- As part of NHL’s new revenue sharing plan which calls for $200 million, at least 50 percent of the pool will be raised from the top 10 revenue grossing clubs; the distribution of the revenue sharing will be determined every year by a revenue sharing committee (which the NHLPA will be part of).




I like the part about the teams not being able to stash salaries in the minors, and contracts going longer than five years will be subject to new cap calculations. Im tired of seeing the rich teams be able to stash bad contracts in the minors. I like the progress that has been made, and now its in the players hand. I hope they dont go crazy with their counter, and they find a way to get a deal done.
 
They are gunna meet thursday:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407542

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407541

Why wouldn't they meet today? The players need a day to "look over" the deal?

I wouldn't mind a shortened season. It's gunna be a bit ridiculous having hockey in late June.

Well late June probably means that would be a game 7 final date-if all series are short (ie few 6 and 7 game series) then things could get done earlier.

But everyone is right-lets hold off popping champagne until its signed sealed and delivered
 
Obviously the players won't just accept the deal the way the NHL proposed it this time, but it's progress. The biggest thing that needed to happen was that the owners needed to show they were willing to play ball and negotiate instead of just standing firm. Now that they've done that, and come up with what should be an acceptable number for one of the key issues, it will hopefully allow them to start real negotiations on the rest of the issues. They should be able to get something worked out if both sides are willing to make some concessions.

We'll see just how close it is when their first counter-offer happens in the next couple days.

I agree - I think this does put some pressure on the NHLPA since the offer has the appearance of the owners giving in on a big point. I recognize that a) they were probably going to get there anyway and b) it's still taking the 57% down to 50%. But, they are selling it and for a lot of people that just want hockey to start it's going to put some pressure on the players.
 
I hope the NHLPA gets its panties unbunched and quickly negotiates a deal that we can all agree on.

Bump max contract length to 7 years from 5.

Keep rookie contracts as is (3 years).

That's about it. Let's play some hockey!
 
From what I've heard, the PA is going to come back with a 52/48 offer for the first 2-3 years, and then it'll go to 50/50. I also heard that a number of the owners aren't happy with the offer that the NHL gave the PA.

I also heard that there's a strong possibility that this will be the Coyotes last season in Phoenix. Apparently the potential ownership situation that the NHL is trying to arrange is falling apart. But, we've heard that before before before.....
 

Of course. :(

I'm still gonna stick with the players though. Our season starts tonight though. I had to go see the massage therapist after taking a slapshot to the shoulder at practice Sunday. Pretty nasty bruise and it still hurts, but the therapist fixed me up as well as he could. I'll be OK for tonight. It's on my glove side, so that is fortunate. If it were my stick side, I'd be out.
 
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Bettman's a giant douche. This is the third lockout on his watch. He should be able to negotiate better than that.

I would agree in general. However, I want to see what the players proposed. If their proposals were as far off as they say, then either the players are playing with fire, or the players were getting screwed in the fine print of the 50/50 split.

Until then, I will continue to support the players. But they are starting to act not in good faith, then they may loose my support.

Either case-another lost season is look more and more real.
 
I would agree in general. However, I want to see what the players proposed. If their proposals were as far off as they say, then either the players are playing with fire, or the players were getting screwed in the fine print of the 50/50 split.

Until then, I will continue to support the players. But they are starting to act not in good faith, then they may loose my support.

Either case-another lost season is look more and more real.

Same. My patience is also starting to wane a bit for my support of the players. The NHLPA should have negotiated with the current plan rather than propose 3 new ones. I mean, what did they expect the NHL to do?

I think most centered people can realize that the NHL proposal, while not perfect, was more than good enough to negotiate from. In many (though not all) ways it's mostly the same CBA, with a few things to punish cap circumventing teams and term changes that were low (like the 5 year contract cap) on purpose to negotiate from (NHL would be fine with 7-8, no 10-12 BS).
 
Same. My patience is also starting to wane a bit for my support of the players. The NHLPA should have negotiated with the current plan rather than propose 3 new ones. I mean, what did they expect the NHL to do?

I think most centered people can realize that the NHL proposal, while not perfect, was more than good enough to negotiate from. In many (though not all) ways it's mostly the same CBA, with a few things to punish cap circumventing teams and term changes that were low (like the 5 year contract cap) on purpose to negotiate from (NHL would be fine with 7-8, no 10-12 BS).

if anyone finds these proposals, or anything that summarizes them, please post...
 
I really hope that we can see player proposals as soon as possible and then we can judge who to blame for this recent failure. However, I really hope they work things out and we can see full season played.
 
if anyone finds these proposals, or anything that summarizes them, please post...

Yep, I want to see them as well. At this point, the PA needs to release them otherwise they'll face what I think will be a significant drop in public support. They're already starting to lose some support, but I think the public/media thinks that the NHL's offer was pretty reasonable, and at the least, a good point to start negotiating from. For the PA to not release them after the NHL released theirs, it will seem like they are trying to hide something.

My support for the players is waning. I really don't feel like they're in the right as strongly as I did a few weeks ago. I think that this has become a game of egos, and I don't think that Donald Fehr is any better than Gary Bettman. They both suck ass as far as I'm concerned.
 
Yep, I want to see them as well. At this point, the PA needs to release them otherwise they'll face what I think will be a significant drop in public support. They're already starting to lose some support, but I think the public/media thinks that the NHL's offer was pretty reasonable, and at the least, a good point to start negotiating from. For the PA to not release them after the NHL released theirs, it will seem like they are trying to hide something.

My support for the players is waning. I really don't feel like they're in the right as strongly as I did a few weeks ago. I think that this has become a game of egos, and I don't think that Donald Fehr is any better than Gary Bettman. They both suck ass as far as I'm concerned.

I agree on the releasing.

The players wearing suits yesterday didn't sway you this time? ;)
 
Yep, I want to see them as well. At this point, the PA needs to release them otherwise they'll face what I think will be a significant drop in public support. They're already starting to lose some support, but I think the public/media thinks that the NHL's offer was pretty reasonable, and at the least, a good point to start negotiating from. For the PA to not release them after the NHL released theirs, it will seem like they are trying to hide something.

My support for the players is waning. I really don't feel like they're in the right as strongly as I did a few weeks ago. I think that this has become a game of egos, and I don't think that Donald Fehr is any better than Gary Bettman. They both suck ass as far as I'm concerned.

This right here.

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Bettman's a giant douche. This is the third lockout on his watch. He should be able to negotiate better than that.

As far as I'm concerned, they all suck.

All I want to do is watch some damn good hockey.
 
So did either side purpose to take a cut so ticket prices and NHL game center subs could drop in price, you know something for the fans?
 
Well, you're not the one who is playing it, are you? I'd like to watch too, but not at the expense of the players getting screwed over.

Sorry, but the players aren't innocent bystanders in this. They don't deserve blind support from anyone. They're not a bunch of kids who need protection. They're grown men involved in a multi-billion dollar business.

The NHL gave them (from what most people say) a reasonable proposal, and from what everyone can tell, they chose to ignore it and propose 3 new proposals.

I don really care if the players get screwed over. Why should I? I just want them to settle this. I don't care who wins. I'm past that at this point.

I just want to watch some damn good hockey.
 
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