Or not - and that's the thing. And we won't find out until they want us to know.
For all we know the show could keep on going and never find earth...
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Or not - and that's the thing. And we won't find out until they want us to know.
For all we know the show could keep on going and never find earth...
D
Possible. There's so many possibilities as to what happened. My question is, in regards to Earth, what was up with this line from Home, Pt. 2 (probably asked before, but still):
Kara Thrace said:
Is this an assumption, or did humans use to travel between Earth and the 12 Colonies of Kobol when they were first established? Or did Earth find a way to get a message to them? It's possible however that the device is quite young, and that the Final Five went to Earth, as the Seven haven't seen or heard from them. It would be interesting to question what caused the schism between The Seven and the Final Five, as #6 certainly hinted at it when talking about the Basestar, who I think enjoyed jumping a bit too much.
There's so many hints and possibilities going around right now. Could the 12 colonies actually be Cylon-humans, or is Earth Cylon-human and the 12 colonies human.
I don't think I would call this episode "slow." Maybe less action but there was a huge amount of plot and exposition that got eaten through really fast. We learned more about the cylons than we've seen so far in the entire show. I thought it was too rapid, if anything. I found myself wondering why Starbuck decided to reform so quickly.
"Projection?" Hmm... intrigued but it didn't play a role in the episode beyond demystifying Baltar's visions. It doesn't really force me to ask whether he's a cylon because at this point there's no reason for the cylons to keep him in the dark about it. And one can't pin it down on their mysterious "plan" anymore because we're being shown how planless they really are now. It does take away much of their menace, I think, not to mention that baseships are going down left and right these days. I wonder if there's a good reason the Cylons have just decided that Earth is going to be their new home? Besides "pooping the party," so to speak. Don't they already have a home? Either way, I noticed that the titles are back to the "looking for Earth" text, instead of the "survival" text.
I thought the "pick up a gun and shoot me" was pretty artificial. I can see how it might have startled Starbuck and Tigh, but did it actually mean anything regarding what he was saying? This as almost as bad as "you won't shoot." It also struck me as a little untrue that Adama would renounce Starbuck as his daughter without even giving her a chance or talking to her about it, and I saw it as a regression that Lee instantly told Starbuck that she couldn't fly anymore.
But... I am critical because I love. I'm intrigued as to where Tigh is headed, for sure, and wonder what Helo will be like in his old role. I bet a lot of people would kill to be able to slim down as fast as Lee.
"Projection?" Hmm... intrigued but it didn't play a role in the episode beyond demystifying Baltar's visions. It doesn't really force me to ask whether he's a cylon because at this point there's no reason for the cylons to keep him in the dark about it. And one can't pin it down on their mysterious "plan" anymore because we're being shown how planless they really are now. It does take away much of their menace, I think, not to mention that baseships are going down left and right these days. I wonder if there's a good reason the Cylons have just decided that Earth is going to be their new home? Besides "pooping the party," so to speak. Don't they already have a home? Either way, I noticed that the titles are back to the "looking for Earth" text, instead of the "survival" text.
I thought the "pick up a gun and shoot me" was pretty artificial. I can see how it might have startled Starbuck and Tigh, but did it actually mean anything regarding what he was saying? This as almost as bad as "you won't shoot." It also struck me as a little untrue that Adama would renounce Starbuck as his daughter without even giving her a chance or talking to her about it, and I saw it as a regression that Lee instantly told Starbuck that she couldn't fly anymore.
But... I am critical because I love. I'm intrigued as to where Tigh is headed, for sure, and wonder what Helo will be like in his old role. I bet a lot of people would kill to be able to slim down as fast as Lee.
No, I know about Gina. When we first encountered D'Anna the reporter, she and her crew were aboard Cloud 9. Given the central port nature of that ship it made sense that the news industry was based there. But it was never actually stated.
More likely the device is just emitting radiation of some type. Remember how Leoben began to malfunction and break down on Ragnarok station in the miniseries? Adama speculated that it was the radiation in the storm that was the cause.
You know, I think it would be great if they tied it back that way. However, I doubt they will since it isn't exactly a "revelation."
Cutting of 5 eps
Forgive me if I've missed something, but here's my take on the "5 ep discount" thing:
* I know that people who bought a season pass early on paid for MORE than 19 eps. Maybe 24? I'm not sure, but it came out to more than the episodes singly would cost. I saw complaints on other forums.
* But when I bought my pass, a bit later, I paid less: about $1.75 per episode.
* And I got no such email about any refund for 5 episodes.
* Therefore I'm thinking the early pass-buyers were the victims of some mistake that has since been corrected. And they alone were offered this compensation.
* Theory, in that case: the season was originally going to be 24 episodes, and was shortened to 19 (one a double).
* In other words, it's not 19 eps BEFORE the subtraction, it's 19 eps AFTER the subtraction.
Possible?
PS, was the iTunes copy of "Torn" kind of jerky in places? I was getting video stutters consistently in certain places. Just as at -24:51 (24:51 from the end) during the phrase "valiant rescue of the baby." And also in many other places--not awful, but noticeably a problem. None of the other eps have that problem. (And it's not a streaming thing: I downloaded fully in advance.)
Just wondering if I got a bad copy, or everyone did. (If everyone has the same problem, I will not complain for a few weeks--give 'em a chance to fix it first rather than re-download the jerky version.)
Forgive me if I've missed something, but here's my take on the "5 ep discount" thing:
* I know that people who bought a season pass early on paid for MORE than 19 eps. Maybe 24? I'm not sure, but it came out to more than the episodes singly would cost. I saw complaints on other forums.
* But when I bought my pass, a bit later, I paid less: about $1.75 per episode.
* And I got no such email about any refund for 5 episodes.
* Therefore I'm thinking the early pass-buyers were the victims of some mistake that has since been corrected. And they alone were offered this compensation.
* Theory, in that case: the season was originally going to be 24 episodes, and was shortened to 19 (one a double).
* In other words, it's not 19 eps BEFORE the subtraction, it's 19 eps AFTER the subtraction.
Possible?
PS, was the iTunes copy of "Torn" kind of jerky in places? I was getting video stutters consistently in certain places. Just as at -24:51 (24:51 from the end) during the phrase "valiant rescue of the baby." And also in many other places--not awful, but noticeably a problem. None of the other eps have that problem. (And it's not a streaming thing: I downloaded fully in advance.)
Just wondering if I got a bad copy, or everyone did. (If everyone has the same problem, I will not complain for a few weeks--give 'em a chance to fix it first rather than re-download the jerky version.)
Yea, the encoding was pretty bad on this one. Not as bad as the season opener, but pretty bad, and yes it was jerky at some spots... I think Apple needs to set a quality review that sends vids "back" if they look sucky. Its kind of iTunes' reputation after all....
In that case, I will complain now (Support link at top-right of Store home > Download Problems)
I didn't notice bad encoding, but how odd that it would vary from ep to ep.
If anyone else wants to complain (don't expect a replacement any time soon, but it could happen in time) then I suggest being very clear about the stuttering in two ways:
* Find a particular scene and time that shows the stuttering (since not every moment has it).
* Make it clear that the video stutters but the audio does not. Otherwise, a casual playback with the audio being OK will make them think there's no problem.
I didn't notice bad encoding, but how odd that it would vary from ep to ep.
If anyone else wants to complain (don't expect a replacement any time soon, but it could happen in time) then I suggest being very clear about the stuttering in two ways:
* Find a particular scene and time that shows the stuttering (since not every moment has it).
* Make it clear that the video stutters but the audio does not. Otherwise, a casual playback with the audio being OK will make them think there's no problem.
Sorry--big thread! I read most of it, but missed that somehow.
In other news, I'm glad we'll be seeing more Cylon interaction!
But I'd rather see more Leoben and Brother Cavil, and less Simon and Doral. Leoben and Cavil are just too much fun, a little evil and a little psycho. Simon and Doral are a little creepy, but it's not the same.
In other news, I'm glad we'll be seeing more Cylon interaction!
But I'd rather see more Leoben and Brother Cavil, and less Simon and Doral. Leoben and Cavil are just too much fun, a little evil and a little psycho. Simon and Doral are a little creepy, but it's not the same.
I kinda like Simon more than the rest of them. Brother Cavil is just too evil for his own good. If there was anyone solely to blame for what happened on N. Caprica, it would be da brotha' cavil.
Yeah, I like Simon to, at least from the brief appearances he's made so far. I find him clever, cold and sinister in some way - not sure if it's due to the first impression I got of him in "The Farm" or not, but regardless, I do like his style.
With the guides floating around the net, it's hard to say because they don't all list the same number of episodes with dates. This one says that there should be five before Christmas....
I would assume it will be broken in to 10 and 10, just like last year. (Only with 2 combined into one for the premiere, so make that 9 and 10.) So I'd say 4 more before the holidays probably?
Apple told me they are looking into it, and it might take up to 2 weeks to resolve. I was issued two free TV downloads for my trouble. I'm not sure if one of those will be used to re-download the ep later, or if that's my choice, or if I'll re-download AND get 2 credits. But however it works, it's nice that they have a system in place!
Unsurprisingly my group and I were not very impressed with the latest episode.
Don't get me wrong: they're still order of magnitudes better than the New Craprica episodes. It's just that the show feels...different somehow? Rushed. Is it new writers? New directors? We can't put our fingers on it.
For example, in the "old" BSG they would have dropped 1 or 2 tidbits and keep you guessing for the next episode. In this last one, it was just too much, like its getting rammed down our throats.
"We project ourselves." Okay, very cool. Must...digest...
Oh, and here's the inside of a Basestar! Here we'll show it all too you to justify the cost of building the set...except it all looks the same...and nothing like the organic construct you saw in the finale of S1!
Okay but... NO WAIT! Here's a mysterious virus! Haha! Didn't see that coming, did you!
Er, alright. Space virus but what ab- NO! There's more! Relic of the 13th Tribe! Baltar kills a Six and is going nuts! Six finds out! Turmoil within the ranks of the Cylons!
Okay. We're shifting pretty fast now. What about... NO! There's more! An entire B-plot on the Galactica...
<Throws arms up in frustration>
I gotta say though, I'm jazzed for the return of hard-ass Starbuck. Saul always was my favorite character but now he's just too cool for words.
We are...cautiously optimistic about BSG.
Don't get me wrong: they're still order of magnitudes better than the New Craprica episodes. It's just that the show feels...different somehow? Rushed. Is it new writers? New directors? We can't put our fingers on it.
For example, in the "old" BSG they would have dropped 1 or 2 tidbits and keep you guessing for the next episode. In this last one, it was just too much, like its getting rammed down our throats.
"We project ourselves." Okay, very cool. Must...digest...
Oh, and here's the inside of a Basestar! Here we'll show it all too you to justify the cost of building the set...except it all looks the same...and nothing like the organic construct you saw in the finale of S1!
Okay but... NO WAIT! Here's a mysterious virus! Haha! Didn't see that coming, did you!
Er, alright. Space virus but what ab- NO! There's more! Relic of the 13th Tribe! Baltar kills a Six and is going nuts! Six finds out! Turmoil within the ranks of the Cylons!
Okay. We're shifting pretty fast now. What about... NO! There's more! An entire B-plot on the Galactica...
<Throws arms up in frustration>
I gotta say though, I'm jazzed for the return of hard-ass Starbuck. Saul always was my favorite character but now he's just too cool for words.
We are...cautiously optimistic about BSG.
Indeed, a lot of plot (like earlier in the thread, I mean it separate from the other aspects of story).
It IS different, for sure: we're now in the chaotic aftermath of a terrible year. Back in space, but nothing else is the same. People have changed, turned against each other, civies are all over the place, it's going to take time to heal from the occupation.
(But really, why can't the civies be ferried off to their ships faster than Apollo can lose weight?
Maybe all those ships had their supplies removed during the past year, and must be re-equipped for habitation?) Maybe some empty ships were left behind on the surface?)Meanwhile others are saying this episode felt slow
To each his own of course--I like some eps better than others, but I'd MUCH rather have change than "keep things always the way I like." In the end that's less satisfying.The outside of the ship, and landing areas like in S1, are functional and structural constructions. They're not the "living space" we now see. And that living space does not all look the same... it looks like forests, and cities, and whatever else the Cylons project
Why decorate? Nothing but very simple interiors--to our eyes and Balter's--would make any sense.The projecting idea is pretty cool. Presumably Athena can do this too--and Boomer, though she never knew it. I wonder if projection was part of how a sleeper agent is deceived?
The virus, the relic, and the reaction to it are a single thing, not "shifting fast." And it's not something they rushed to wrap up even: it's To Be Continued.
See, you DO like some change... and I agree, Saul is in real hell now, but he's become quite an interesting character!Saul always was my favorite character but now he's just too cool for words.
We are...cautiously optimistic about BSG.
I will say the ending was odd and low-key... a tense scene played low-key is weird for a "To Be Continued." As a 2-parter, this story should be judged as a whole next week, but part 1 didn't have the expected cliffhanger really. And it could have--Athena could have freaked out, or just one line of dialog somewhere could have cranked up the suspense better than "looking around out the window"... Since we're picking nits
And two nitpicks we had:
Why do the Cylons dress like they're in a Gap commerical on the Basestar? With "the Fleet" we know that someone makes the clothes and the hair gel; were does it come from on the Basestar? (No, I really don't care, it just seems odd that the Cylons would bother to dress themselves, even individually. Remember the pilot where they were all wearing the same outfits? That seemed to make a bit of sense. Now they each have their own wardrobe and stylist?)
The hybrid. Methinks someone watched "Minority Report" and "The Matrix" one too many times...
Why do the Cylons dress like they're in a Gap commerical on the Basestar? With "the Fleet" we know that someone makes the clothes and the hair gel; were does it come from on the Basestar? (No, I really don't care, it just seems odd that the Cylons would bother to dress themselves, even individually. Remember the pilot where they were all wearing the same outfits? That seemed to make a bit of sense. Now they each have their own wardrobe and stylist?)
The hybrid. Methinks someone watched "Minority Report" and "The Matrix" one too many times...
Maybe they *are* all dressed the same and you're just projecting aesthetically pleasing outfits onto them. Frack, you're a Cylon, you mother-frakker!!!!!
LOL!Maybe they *are* all dressed the same and you're just projecting aesthetically pleasing outfits onto them. Frack, you're a Cylon, you mother-frakker!!!!!
Thank you for that!
My money is on them finding Earth at the series finale - somewhat how the topic was handled in Voyager. Otherwise, things could turn Battlestar Galactica 1984 and that got really, really ugly.
Oh, Galactica '80 and "The Conquest of Earth"
. That show was awful, although it was mostly down to scheduling. The network told the producers that they could only have the Sunday evening slot, which was earmarked by regulators for educational and children's programming. Hence the Super Scouts (shudder) and the occasional suspension of the plot for something educational to be explained. In the meantime, the programme's budget was cut down to next to nothing. So firstly the original cast were all out of budget reach, guest appearances by Lorne Greene being the exception, and secondly any special effects shot such as the flying motorbikes got used again and again and again ad nauseum.A sad end to the original Galactica. Richard Hatch was going to completely ignore that entire series when he proposed to bring the old show back. Good job.
Right - 1980, not 1984. Interesting trivia on this too. Gods that show was terrible.Oh, Galactica '80 and "The Conquest of Earth"
A sad end to the original Galactica. Richard Hatch was going to completely ignore that entire series when he proposed to bring the show back. Good job.
Speaking of Richard Hatch - I'm really glad he's still in the mix. It will be interesting to see how he handles the VP position with Roslyn. After their little bonding moment on New Caprica (Hatch: "Did you try to rig the election?" Roslyn: "Yes" Hatch: "I sure wish it worked.") they still have very different styles - as illustrated by the Circle and Roslyn's general pardon.
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