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The Official Battlestar Galactica Thread : SPOILERS
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Or I suppose Sharon could have been bluffing to save her life. Is this the same scene I'm remembering?
What, nothing to say about last night's show?
Although I understand that the show must go on, I am rather pissed with Helo for taking matters into his own hands. I wonder if we'll see that Adama trusts Helo less now, since it's pretty clear that Adama knows that either Helo or Sharon/Athena was responsible for what happened.
On the other hand, I think we can assume that Doc Cottle has preserved samples of the Cylon-killing virus. If they're ever able to capture another Cylon, the option to use the virus should still be available. Obviously, none of the known Cylon models are still within the RTF, so they'll have to wait until they catch a "new" model Cylon or capture one of the known models in some other manner.
Although I understand that the show must go on, I am rather pissed with Helo for taking matters into his own hands. I wonder if we'll see that Adama trusts Helo less now, since it's pretty clear that Adama knows that either Helo or Sharon/Athena was responsible for what happened.
On the other hand, I think we can assume that Doc Cottle has preserved samples of the Cylon-killing virus. If they're ever able to capture another Cylon, the option to use the virus should still be available. Obviously, none of the known Cylon models are still within the RTF, so they'll have to wait until they catch a "new" model Cylon or capture one of the known models in some other manner.
I dunno. I think it's good. I want to see the story end at least somewhat positively... I'm glad the humans were thwarted in the genocide bid... I like the love stories much more. What can I say?
Finally got around to watching it just now. A good episode overall, nothing spectacular IMO. The character development with Helo and Athena was well done and we see more of Rosalyn's true colors what with her being willing to commit genocide and all. The Baltar scenes didn't do too much for me, he just came across as more psychotic than anything. I am curious to see how things progress with his story arc though and how it concludes. How will he ultimately rejoin Galactica and would he ironically have been better off with the Cylons than the humans when this happens?
I'm also looking forward to the fireworks that happen when Athena finds out Hera is still alive...
I'm also looking forward to the fireworks that happen when Athena finds out Hera is still alive...
I still think he's a frackin' Cylon.
Well, we all know he's fracking one.
But yes, I think Baltar is a Cylon.
One other thing I was thinking about - did Sharon set the Basestar to self-destruct when she was plugged in inside the Control Room so that the beacon couldn't be recovered? (Maybe I missed it, but they never recovered it, did they?)
And to add to my previous comment, not only will it be interesting to see how Sharon reacts when she finds out that Admiral Adama lied to her about Hera, but it will be most interesting to see Helo's reaction as well. Hera is, after all, his daughter, and now that he has already "picked sides" in a way and made his position known with respect to the genocide of the Cylons, I wonder how far he'll turn, how bitter he will be come and how intense his hatred will be for Adama & Co. when he learns the truth.
And to add to my previous comment, not only will it be interesting to see how Sharon reacts when she finds out that Admiral Adama lied to her about Hera, but it will be most interesting to see Helo's reaction as well. Hera is, after all, his daughter, and now that he has already "picked sides" in a way and made his position known with respect to the genocide of the Cylons, I wonder how far he'll turn, how bitter he will be come and how intense his hatred will be for Adama & Co. when he learns the truth.
A few things about last night's show and a few other observations. Putting Helo in that situation seemed like unnecessarily gratuitous drama - there are so many other plot vehicles they could have used to thwart the infection of the resurrection ship. Why did it have to destroy the whole Cylon race and not just that group of Base Stars? True, they can use it later since they know the virus strain and just capture and release a Cylon without ever telling them they've been infected...
But its done and it will be interesting to see how it plays out now - maybe they have a reason for Helo to have a strong set of ethics or possibly side with the Cylons in the future.
As for taking out Base Stars - it just seems so easy to me now after these last couple shows (season premiere especially). Load a nuke into an old Raptor, go to a location they know the Cylons will visit (like last nights show) and set it up to do a small jump into or next to the Base Star. BOOM. Buh-bye.
And in the Caprica rescue episode, one of the raptors ended up inside a mountain - given the kinetic energy they flew in with, it probably shook things up a bit. Do the same thing with a raptor in a Base Star. Get in visual range and jump inside a Base Star with some high explosives and the forward velocity would be enough to rip the thing apart.
Anyway, this all sounds great, but they could also write things into the BSG physics model that would prevent any of it....
Next week looks like fun from the previews. How many more shows are there going to be this season?
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But its done and it will be interesting to see how it plays out now - maybe they have a reason for Helo to have a strong set of ethics or possibly side with the Cylons in the future.
As for taking out Base Stars - it just seems so easy to me now after these last couple shows (season premiere especially). Load a nuke into an old Raptor, go to a location they know the Cylons will visit (like last nights show) and set it up to do a small jump into or next to the Base Star. BOOM. Buh-bye.
And in the Caprica rescue episode, one of the raptors ended up inside a mountain - given the kinetic energy they flew in with, it probably shook things up a bit. Do the same thing with a raptor in a Base Star. Get in visual range and jump inside a Base Star with some high explosives and the forward velocity would be enough to rip the thing apart.
Anyway, this all sounds great, but they could also write things into the BSG physics model that would prevent any of it....
Next week looks like fun from the previews. How many more shows are there going to be this season?
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Well, we all know he's fracking one.
I guess we won't know if this is probable until we learn more about the remaining 5 models. As it stands now, it would not make sense for Baltar to be a Cylon - if this were the case, why would the Cylons have needed to use Caprica 6 to infiltrate him, gain his trust and trick him into gaining access to the defense mainframe? Why couldn't they just have taken control of him as they did with Sharon the Sleeper Agent? That would have been much simpler.
So, if Baltar is a Cylon, then there must be something special regarding these remaining 5 models (which there no doubt is) to explain this situation. Perhaps these 7 known models are rogue models, whereas the remaining 5 are "good" models, hence why the Cylons still needed to trick and use Baltar in the manner that they did. If that is the case though, then why not just tell Baltar he's a Cylon? Why play mind games like this with him? What benefit is there in doing that?
I'm still leaning towards Baltar not being a Cylon myself, but with this great show, anything goes I guess.
No matter what ends up being the truth, I just hope the writers come up with something clever in terms of the explanation, backstory, etc. and it doesn't end up being a letdown.As it stands now, BSG Season 3 is supposed to run until early March with 20 episodes in total.
Not sure... Season 1 had 13 episodes, while Season 2 had 20. IMDb has info through episode #11 of this season, which means we have AT LEAST 5 more episodes in this season (last night was episode #6).
I'd wager that they're going to split up the season again... episode #11 airs on December 15th, and they're not going to want to air new episodes during the holiday weeks.
Probably - so they can have 2 cliff hanger seasons in one - Season 2 and 2.5 setting the trend...
But it is good to see that they're going to have 20 of them
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As I mentioned above, 20 episodes have been confirmed for Season 3. They are as follows:
39 Occupation 10/6/2006
40 Precipice 10/6/2006
41 Exodus, Part 1 10/13/2006
42 Exodus, Part 2 10/20/2006
43 Collaborators 10/27/2006
44 Torn (1) 11/3/2006
45 A Measure of Salvation (2) 11/10/2006
46 Hero 11/17/2006
47 Unfinished Business 12/1/2006
48 The Passage 12/8/2006
49 The Eye of Jupiter (1) 12/15/2006
50 Rapture (2) 1/05/2007
51 Taking a Break from All Your Worries 1/12/2007
52 The Woman King 1/19/2007
53 A Day in the Life 1/26/2007
54 Dirty Hands 2/2/2007
55 Maelstrom 2/9/2007
56 The Son Also Rises 2/16/2007
57 Episode 3-19 2/23/2007
58 Episode 3-20 3/2/2007
Where'd you get this info?
So it's OK when BSG or SG-1 does this, but not when Lost does it?
I never said it was ok, its just inevitable marketing. Although looking at the list above, it seems as though there isn't a two parter in the group, so maybe not this season.
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According to the list there is a two-parter from 11->12.
I thought tonight's episode was good. It didn't disappoint me in any particular way (though there was a lot of "what could have done this?!" when they were boarding the baseship). My favorite part of the episode was that Athena was willing to lose her entire race for her principles, but Adama and Roslin were not. Making Sharon ultimately complicit with genocide interrogated all the "reasons" that Roslin and Adama were able to come up with in their discussion about ethics. This made the issue worth debating, because it's a lot easier to contemplate exterminating a threatening organism than it is a threatening organism that would die to save you if it meant total genocide.
Otherwise, I also wondered about the self-destructing baseship. It would have been intriguing if Sharon set it to explode, but since it never escapes the realm of possibility, it still feels like artificial plotting.
The scenes with Baltar being tortured didn't end up where I expected them to. Normally this would be fine but I couldn't quite figure out where the ended up, actually. Why did Deanna respond so positively to Baltar's profession of love? Did she think he was talking to her? To Caprica/Six? To the cylon race? I passively wondered where Caprica went after Gaius told her he loved her early on. Actually, Baltar spent a lot of time telling people he loved them this episode. I almost thought it would be a theme when Helo and Sharon started doing it at the end, but it doesn't quite connect up with everything else. So I guess it was just "coincidence."
We haven't seen raptors in close combat since this week's ep, have we? It was nice to see the space battles diversified a little.
I at least hope the virus doesn't get shunted into the dusty plot cabinet from which nothing returns. Galactica's usually pretty good about that but since it was technically "resolved" this episode, it would be convenient at this point to forget about it.
As for Helo's role being too heightened: I suppose I agree. He never seemed particularly upset about killing in self-defense in the past, or passionate about finding a peaceful solution with the cylons. Granted you could say genocide crosses a boundary, but since he's never had his moral fibre explored very deeply he does sort of stand in for the "conscientious soldier" in this episode, which is weird because it's against Apollo, who played that role in season one.
I'm not disappointed, though. All in all, pretty steady, I thought.
I thought tonight's episode was good. It didn't disappoint me in any particular way (though there was a lot of "what could have done this?!" when they were boarding the baseship). My favorite part of the episode was that Athena was willing to lose her entire race for her principles, but Adama and Roslin were not. Making Sharon ultimately complicit with genocide interrogated all the "reasons" that Roslin and Adama were able to come up with in their discussion about ethics. This made the issue worth debating, because it's a lot easier to contemplate exterminating a threatening organism than it is a threatening organism that would die to save you if it meant total genocide.
Otherwise, I also wondered about the self-destructing baseship. It would have been intriguing if Sharon set it to explode, but since it never escapes the realm of possibility, it still feels like artificial plotting.
The scenes with Baltar being tortured didn't end up where I expected them to. Normally this would be fine but I couldn't quite figure out where the ended up, actually. Why did Deanna respond so positively to Baltar's profession of love? Did she think he was talking to her? To Caprica/Six? To the cylon race? I passively wondered where Caprica went after Gaius told her he loved her early on. Actually, Baltar spent a lot of time telling people he loved them this episode. I almost thought it would be a theme when Helo and Sharon started doing it at the end, but it doesn't quite connect up with everything else. So I guess it was just "coincidence."
We haven't seen raptors in close combat since this week's ep, have we? It was nice to see the space battles diversified a little.
I at least hope the virus doesn't get shunted into the dusty plot cabinet from which nothing returns. Galactica's usually pretty good about that but since it was technically "resolved" this episode, it would be convenient at this point to forget about it.
As for Helo's role being too heightened: I suppose I agree. He never seemed particularly upset about killing in self-defense in the past, or passionate about finding a peaceful solution with the cylons. Granted you could say genocide crosses a boundary, but since he's never had his moral fibre explored very deeply he does sort of stand in for the "conscientious soldier" in this episode, which is weird because it's against Apollo, who played that role in season one.
I'm not disappointed, though. All in all, pretty steady, I thought.
Why, TV.com of course - it's the ultimate source of TV show info in the world, there's no site like it! It's one of my most frequented sites next to MacRumors.
Actually, as Marble indicated, there is a 2-parter with "The Eye of Jupiter" airing December 15, and then the cliffhanger will leave us waiting until "Rapture" airs a few weeks later in January.
Anybody else worried about tomorrow's episode? I'm worried that Adama's "really dark secret" is going to ruin the character.
Hmm, interesting, I didn't know that Adama had a "really dark secret" nor that it would be revealed tomorrow night. Mind you, I never read or watch previews as I prefer to go into every episode fresh and not knowing what to expect.
If this is the case though, then I guess we'll just have to see! I love Adama's character, so as you say, hopefully this is nothing with ruins it - although I highly doubt the writers would be stupid enough to do something like that.
I hope you're right. But the buzz's got my internal "jump the shark" alarm blaring for the first time.
Please. Whenever television shows reveal some dark secret about a protagonist, it always comes down to some situation where they feel guilty about letting someone down, but essentially did the right thing, even if they didn't quite do as much as they had wished. Which is to say, that these situations always reinforce how good of a person they are.
Typical example:
Crazy third party: You killed 100 people!
Hero: *Guilty look*
Friend: Oh, it turns out that the hero saved 10,000 people, and just failed to also save 100 while they were at it
Hero: Damn it, I may as well have killed those 100 people myself! I let them down!
Friend: No. *Endlessly reiterates how the hero saved 10,000 people*
Crazy third party: *Acts insane/evil/retarded, reducing their credibility*
Friend: See, you are a hero! Yay!
Hero: *Sheds a single tear* Ok, but I'll never forget those 100 people...
Typical example:
Crazy third party: You killed 100 people!
Hero: *Guilty look*
Friend: Oh, it turns out that the hero saved 10,000 people, and just failed to also save 100 while they were at it
Hero: Damn it, I may as well have killed those 100 people myself! I let them down!
Friend: No. *Endlessly reiterates how the hero saved 10,000 people*
Crazy third party: *Acts insane/evil/retarded, reducing their credibility*
Friend: See, you are a hero! Yay!
Hero: *Sheds a single tear* Ok, but I'll never forget those 100 people...
BSG is a little darker and might actually give him a major flaw.
I do hope its not that sort of thing - or the "I thought you were dead, so I left you behind and didn't know you'd survive and be tortured all those years by the Cylons and harbor a deep need for revenge induced by all the pain and suffering and I'm sorry I slept with your wife too"
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I do hope its not that sort of thing - or the "I thought you were dead, so I left you behind and didn't know you'd survive and be tortured all those years by the Cylons and harbor a deep need for revenge induced by all the pain and suffering and I'm sorry I slept with your wife too"
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Not true.
"Zak failed basic flight."
That didn't ruin Starbuck as a character, nor did it reinforce her heroism. That was a well-handled "dark secret."
Yeah, it will be interesting to see what is revealed tonight. Unfortunately I will not be around to watch it so I'll have to catch up later this weekend - as a result, you won't see me in this thread for a couple days since I don't want to read any spoilers...
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