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Salasm said:
Hey y'all,

So I got around to watching the very first episode of Doctor Who, the Unearthly Child. Ok, so apart from the b&w images and really poor video quality, I'm surprised the theme song has remained intact to this very day, as well as the TARDIS sound. AND I FINALLY know what the TARDIS stands for, which is cool.
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Did you watch the DVD? Tis excellent quality.

Salasm said:
But onto the Doctor. Why is he (Hartnell) called grandfather by the girl?
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He's her grandfather. It's kinda forgotten after susan left the series. A lot of fans don't have much luck with women so they like to pretend the doctor doesn't either. Then they get upset when he kisses women in the news series. Bit sad really.

Salasm said:
Plus, the Doctor seems really grouchy and utterly useless in the next 3 episodes.
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Watch the Edge of Destruction.

Salasm said:
I look forward to watching all the shows up to Tom Baker, who I hear is the best Doctor, ever.
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Arguably, but definetly the best till Eccleston.
 
Sky Blue said:
A lot of fans don't have much luck with women so they like to pretend the doctor doesn't either. Then they get upset when he kisses women in the news series. Bit sad really.
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What, are we Star Trek fans? :D I have plenty of luck thank you very much but I don't want to see him kissing. That's just not the Doctor and we don't want Dr Who to become romantic.

Sky Blue said:
Arguably, but definetly the best till Eccleston.
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Arguably?! Easily, followed by Pat Troughton probably

And I think Eccleston is worse than most with his silly gurning and his regional english Doctor. Christ he fecked off a lot of people. The only reason he wasn't totally useless is because he is actually a fine actor. Just not the right man for the job.
 
Salasm said:
But onto the Doctor. Why is he (Hartnell) called grandfather by the girl?
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I think originally they weren't going to be related, but the show's producers realised early on that there might be some unsavoury connotations with an elderly man travelling around with a teenage girl who wasn't a family member, so they made Susan his grandaughter.
 
That was a great moment in the 2nd new series when he tells Rose he is a father and she looks so shocked.

I think it was in Fear Her. Not sure.

He should go meet Susan. :) They could have a story where Susan and her lover on Earth (circa 2200 AD) are old, but he is going to die soon but she will regenerate.
 
Metal Zombie said:
That was a great moment in the 2nd new series when he tells Rose he is a father and she looks so shocked.
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Indeed. It was another part of her realisation that she didn't know the Doctor as well as she thought she did. The fact that he was a father, the fact that he'd had previous travelling companions he'd never mentioned, that fact he could change his face...

Poor lass thought she knew him so well, too.

Could he meet Susan, though? If she's his granddaughter then surely that would mean she's a Time Lady, so surely that would mean she's been wiped out of existence with all the others?
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Indeed. It was another part of her realisation that she didn't know the Doctor as well as she thought she did. The fact that he was a father, the fact that he'd had previous travelling companions he'd never mentioned, that fact he could change his face...

Poor lass thought she knew him so well, too.

Could he meet Susan, though? If she's his granddaughter then surely that would mean she's a Time Lady, so surely that would mean she's been wiped out of existence with all the others?
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She would still exist.. I think.

The Time War is not explained. We do not know how much time travel was used in it or rather whether it was just a shoot out. And don't read into any novels cos they ain't canon.

Also if you travel faster than light (as the TARDIS does many, many times over), the effect from the cause would take a hell of a long time to catch up with you (the effect travels at the speed of light).

Did that make sense? Lol :p
 
My impression was that they'd somehow been wiped from time. If you think about it, the destruction of Gallifrey wouldn't mean the end of the species – there would have been so many of them scattered across time and space then there would have been more survivors. The end of the Time Lords would require something much more catastrophic than the simple destruction of their homeworld.

But you're right – it's never been fully explained so there's always the possibility that Susan might somehow have survived. To be honest though, I think one of the first things the Doctor would do would be to try to find his family. His remark, 'I was a father, once' suggests he's aware of the fact that they didn't survive.
 
And this is the only reason Father's Day worked. Rose's actions in saving her father caused a paradox (if her father never died, she would never have gone there and then saved him in the 1st place). When a paradox occurs you can't prevent it if you are aware of it, because it would mean you are part of the events.

The way the reapers managed it is because they must have some kind of probes or sentries checking for such problems. When one arises they get on the scene at a speed quicker than light before the effect can hit their location.

Or they live in the time-vortex, which I believe has time going round and round, so they would have the time to sort out the paradox before the cycle comes round again with the new history.

Urgh, I've gone cross eyed. :eek:

Jaffa Cake said:
My impression was that they'd somehow been wiped from time. If you think about it, the destruction of Gallifrey wouldn't mean the end of the species – there would have been so many of them scattered across time and space then there would have been more survivors. The end of the Time Lords would require something much more catastrophic than the simple destruction of their homeworld.

But you're right – it's never been fully explained so there's always the possibility that Susan might somehow have survived. To be honest though, I think one of the first things the Doctor would do would be to try to find his family. His remark, 'I was a father, once' suggests he's aware of the fact that they didn't survive.
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Yeah I know and having Susan alive would have ruined the whole alone thing. But I think he means they're all dead cos Susan was left on Earth in 2167 with all her regenerations still available. But even then I guess she would die naturally before Gallifreyan local time which is about 150,000-190,000 AD probably, when the Time Lords were last seen.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
My impression was that they'd somehow been wiped from time. If you think about it, the destruction of Gallifrey wouldn't mean the end of the species – there would have been so many of them scattered across time and space then there would have been more survivors. The end of the Time Lords would require something much more catastrophic than the simple destruction of their homeworld.
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And it scares the hell out of me, the Time War being done with time travel, what with RTD's record of time travel knowledge (see the ridiculous Parting Of The Ways).

It would definitely be more exciting than a straight shoot out but I'm worried it wouldn't make sense and be like all those Star Trek episodes with time travel in them, which would have all resulted in paradoxes. :eek:

Doctor Who is the benchmark for cause and effect Sci-Fi, it is not Back To The Future lol.
 
Sky Blue said:
A lot of fans don't have much luck with women so they like to pretend the doctor doesn't either. Then they get upset when he kisses women in the news series. Bit sad really.
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Jon Pertwee argued that the character of the Doctor had to be completely asexual, otherwise parents would not feel safe allowing their children to watch their favourite saturday tea-time show unsupervised.

Personally, I never had a problem with the Doctor-Rose thing. Or the Doctor-Madame de Pompadour thing. Or the Doctor-Jade the Tree-Woman thing. And you just knew he was gonna get things on with Lynda with a Y had she lived long enough... But some fans were obviously concerned at what they saw as this sudden seismic shift in the Doctors personality. RTD argued that the Doctor should experience all facets of human existance. But if that's what he does, then how the hell did he manage to bottle up those particular facets when he spent the whole of season 16 couped up in a police box with Mary Tamm? ;)
 
simonthewolf said:
Personally, I never had a problem with the Doctor-Madame de Pompadour thing.
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It wasn't just that, I thought it was just done badly in that episode.

And it's just not that, it's a matter of continuety. The Doctor has never been like that. Guess he changed now that he has no home planet..

The Doctor wasn't going to 'get off' with Rose ever anyway, RTD wouldn't go that far.
 
Metal Zombie said:
I know which is just soo gay cos I suspect most of them are *****. And he will borrow from them. ****. :( Right something original you lazy bastard!
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Yeah, but remember all those little less-than-subliminal hints that started to appear in season 25? We knew they were all pointing to something... And that thing was, apparently, the ludicrous Cartmel inspired Lungbarrow - with its daft 'he's not really a Grandfather after all' subplot. Personally, I'd be more than happy for the Doctor's unknown and mysterious past to remain just that. And that goes for details of his childhood too, lonely or otherwise... :p
 
simonthewolf said:
Yeah, but remember all those little less-than-subliminal hints that started to appear in season 25? We knew they were all pointing to something... And that thing was, apparently, the ludicrous Cartmel inspired Lungbarrow - with its daft 'he's not really a Grandfather after all' subplot. Personally, I'd be more than happy for the Doctor's unknown and mysterious past to remain just that. And that goes for details of his childhood too, lonely or otherwise... :p
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Oh it vexs me. I am very vexxed.
 
Metal Zombie said:
The Doctor has never been like that.
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He has a granddaughter, thus must have a son or daughter, thus must've had some lady lovin'.

simonthewolf said:
I see your school uniform, and I raise you the white gown from The Ribos Operation :eek:

*so close to 1,000 posts :p*
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Urgh, Romana II annoys me, didn't like her one bit. But Romana I in the white dress in Armageddon factor, yes please!
 
Sky Blue said:
He has a granddaughter, thus must have a son or daughter, thus must've had some lady lovin'.
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Look Skyblue, the Doctor simply isn't like that. The only reason he got some one pregnant was due to some classic Earth music by a certain 'Barry White' being played. :D
 
Romana x2..and THAT dress!

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