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This chicken was late to the slaughterhouse - only just saw the big 2nd half trailer last night! Ruddy incredible it looks! But you all know that 😛 tonights episode looks great but I'm not too keen on 2 parters. They always start off fantastic but sort of grind to a halt with a naff conclusion. But the fact this is a Moffat episode removes any qualms.
 
raggedjimmi said:
This chicken was late to the slaughterhouse - only just saw the big 2nd half trailer last night! Ruddy incredible it looks! But you all know that 😛 tonights episode looks great but I'm not too keen on 2 parters. They always start off fantastic but sort of grind to a halt with a naff conclusion. But the fact this is a Moffat episode removes any qualms.
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There have been a couple like that, but what about others like Human Nature/Family of Blood last year and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit the year before? I thought those were excellent 2-parters. Even the Sontaran one earlier this year was fun and consistent throughout if nothing else IMO. 🙂

Regardless, yes, I am pleased that this is a Moffat episode and further pleased that it is in fact a 2-parter. Very much looking forward to it!
 
~Shard~ said:
There have been a couple like that, but what about others like Human Nature/Family of Blood last year and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit the year before? I thought those were excellent 2-parters. Even the Sontaran one earlier this year was fun and consistent throughout if nothing else IMO. 🙂

Regardless, yes, I am pleased that this is a Moffat episode and further pleased that it is in fact a 2-parter. Very much looking forward to it!
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It could be the worst Who episode ever and it'll still be better than the Eurovision Song contest
 
bartelby said:
It could be the worst Who episode ever and it'll still be better than the Eurovision Song contest
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It could be Big Brother and it'll still be better than Eurovision.

Speaking of that starts on Thursday. I always like to watch the first episode to see the mentalists who'll be in all the papers for weeks to come.

And good call Shard. There were some good 2 parters after all 😱
 
Let's not forget either that it was Moffat who penned The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances two-parter, so he has form in this area. 🙂
 
Very interesting episode.

Did everyone else notice both wired and wireless Apple keyboards on all of the computer terminals?
 
That was, to quote the ninth Doctor, fantastic. 😎

A thought or two...

I'm not thinking that Alex Kingston is Jenny, for one thing she said that she'd never seen the Doctor look so young. The obvious answer is that she's simply a future companion the Doctor hasn't met yet (if you follow), her archaeologist instincts leading her to record all her exploits with the Doctor in that little book. I suspect that is what it is, although I imagine there may be an extra twist or two thrown into this scenario. EDIT: Whoever she does turn out to be, we know from her conversation with Donna that they've never met before. So that would rule out Jenny.

bartelby – the book looked nothing like the Journal of Impossible Things, unless it's been rebound over the centuries. The cover looked very TARDIS like though, blue with the panelling...

And yep, I thought those keyboards looked like Apple kit too. 😛
 
Apple Keyboards ^^
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What an absolutely stellar episode. Well played Moffat, very very well played. He just sloshed his golden urine over anything RTD could do especially with the intro. Guess I'll be having nightmares tonight!
 
Wow, excellent episode - this is the way they should all be! Once again, Moffat does not disappoint.

So, some of my thoughts:

I'm not sure if there's more to it (part of me wouldn't be surprised if there were) but I think that archeologist may simply be a future companion of the Doctor, nothing more - not Jenny, not anyone else with a "special" relationship. That being said, she does definitely have a bond with him, so I guess we'll see how it plays out.

I'm very curious to see how things work out with the little girl as well, along with her role in things. She seems to be directly aware of the library at some times, but other times not - for example, her actions in hitting remote control buttons.

As for Donna, she obviously is not dead. I think this ties into the whole "x people have been saved but there are zero survivors". I think this is along the same lines of the whole Rose prophecy of how she would "die in battle" when in fact she did not. Something interfered with Martha's transportation and as opposed to killing her, perhaps she was teleported to this alternate universe or whatever it is in which the girl resides. In other words, people who are saved are in fact saved, but are moved from one universe/dimension/reality to another, hence being considered "dead" in their native environment. So, if this is the case, does that mean Donna is now in the same place as Rose? 😱 😉 😀

Really looking forward to part 2 next week!
 
another enjoyable episode
(little bonus for me was that the huge hall that the TARDIS lands in was were my college had its degree ceremony)

Pity it got the worst overnight rating, since the series returned🙁
 
~Shard~ said:
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...the young lass. I'm reckoning that she's either within the computer, or actually is the computer itself. Did you see the design on the rug she was laid on when she collapsed? It was exactly the same as the logo that's displayed on the Library interface screens, so it stands to reason that the girl and the Library computer are closely linked.

Here's what I'm thinking – we know that the Library has been left untouched for around a century or so. Maybe the incredibly complex computer system that underpins it all has started to corrupt. With nothing book-related to catalogue the artificial intelligence has started absorbing memories from the nodes and is 'living' part of one of their memories.

Or perhaps the girl actually is one of those the Library 'saved'? The computer has created a Matrix-like world for them to survive in and the adults are unaware of what's happened to them, but being a child her natural inquisitiveness and imagination is allowing her access to some of the Library's systems?

Thing is though, am I right in thinking that the girl was never actually named in the episode? If so, I anticipate there might be a bit of a shock about who she actually was/is...
 
Jaffa Cake said:
My thoughts on...
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Good theory on the girl being in a Matrix-like environment within the computer system. As I mentioned in my previous post I was thinking that perhaps we were simply dealing with two universes/dimensions that were on par with each other, so to speak, but perhaps wherever the girl resides is in fact a creation and not real - this would support Doctor Moon's statement that what they think is reality, is in fact not 😉

This would also mean that Donna could now be in the same place as the girl, as another one who has been "saved".

Oh, and yes, the girl was never named - just "the girl". So yes, she could be almost anyone. 😉 I think there's more to Doctor Moon as well. And then obviously the Doctor's new gal-pal as well - very curious to see if she is indeed a companion from the future which the Doctor hasn't met yet, or if she is somehow tied into things more directly with respect to this story.

Obviously though there is too much unknown surrounding the relationship between the little girl's reality and the Doctor's reality to truly know how they are related - guess we'll just have to wait until the next episode! 😀
 
Some musings:

I agree that the little girl is either an AI subsystem which looks after the library but has only limited sentience thus appears as a child (and Dr Moon is a slightly more sentient security or maintenance subsystem) or is a digitised version of someone who was "saved" i.e. saving = storage in the library mainframe in a virtuality. We'll know which if Donna appears in the girl's room....

Archaeology lady = Romana? (bit of a long shot, that one, but something about her character made me think of Romana). That of course raises the question of how she got back from e-space, why she wasn't killed in the Time War and how the Doctor doesn't sense her as a Time Lord.
 
alFR said:
Some musings:

I agree that the little girl is either an AI subsystem which looks after the library but has only limited sentience thus appears as a child (and Dr Moon is a slightly more sentient security or maintenance subsystem) or is a digitised version of someone who was "saved" i.e. saving = storage in the library mainframe in a virtuality. We'll know which if Donna appears in the girl's room....

Archaeology lady = Romana? (bit of a long shot, that one, but something about her character made me think of Romana). That of course raises the question of how she got back from e-space, why she wasn't killed in the Time War and how the Doctor doesn't sense her as a Time Lord.
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Maybe for the same reason he couldn't sense Drax as a Time Lord back in The Armageddon Factor, or the ridiculous Sir Gilles Estram in The King's Demons. 😉
 
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