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The Official World Cup 2006 Thread

XIII said:
Some of the stuff he said was pretty disgusting...
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Some of the stuff he was alleged to have said was pretty disgusting... there's the difference. And even then, you shrug it off.

Mind you, from my experience, the worst thing you can do to someone of Arabic/Persian descent is to insult their mother. Guaranteed reaction.
 
jelloshotsrule said:
if it was provoked then that sort of racism should be tolerated? :rolleyes:
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Well if ZZ said something racist to Materazzi (possibilty), then they were just acting like school kids... Not saying this justifies any racist comments, but trash-talk can quickly escalate.

And as others have suggested, this is something that should have been delt with after the match.
 
I don't know much about soccer/football but should Zidane have won the Golden Ball award? Sure he's a great player and was a huge factor that put France in the finals, but if you can't control yourself in a huge game that like are you really the best player? Trash talking goes on all the time in sports and if you can't handle it you shouldn't be considered the best.
 
asxtb said:
I don't know much about soccer/football but should Zidane have won the Golden Ball award? Sure he's a great player and was a huge factor that put France in the finals, but if you can't control yourself in a huge game that like are you really the best player? Trash talking goes on all the time in sports and if you can't handle it you shouldn't be considered the best.
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I personally think he was just positioning himself for selling his life story.......I mean nobody in north america , well practically nobody, knew anything about him........but now he's "that guy" who did the head butt thing....and the tabloids will be all over him with offers of money for his story
 
Macky-Mac said:
I personally think he was just positioning himself for selling his life story.......I mean nobody in north america , well practically nobody, knew anything about him........but now he's "that guy" who did the head butt thing....and the tabloids will be all over him with offers of money for his story
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I'd be inclined to say that a book deal wasn't on his mind when he did the headbutt. He might not be a household name to many Americans but I think it's fair to say that he's reasonably well known to the rest of the world – and his life story is interesting enough without adding a touch of controversary at the end. Besides, he's been a very attractive figure to sponsors and the media for a long time, and that attention wouldn't have dried up anytime soon.

Still, it might make a good film. Hollywood would probably have to change the ending of course (and make Materazzi British, because all Hollywood villains are) but we'll leave the exact details to the screenwriters. ;)
 
ham_man said:
How are they gonna prove it?
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they can't, but that's the point. they were talking then and they had been talking before and we don't know who started and whose words were more insulting (which is a subjective matter anyway). I certainly don't condone insults of any kind, but trash talking goes on in many sports and it does not justify physical aggression. period.
As said before, if it was that bad, you bring it out after the game.
As far as the Golden Ball, the votes were in before the episode, and I think he wouldn't have gotten it if journalists had voted after.

macky-mac said:
personally think he was just positioning himself for selling his life story.......I mean nobody in north america , well practically nobody, knew anything about him........but now he's "that guy" who did the head butt thing....and the tabloids will be all over him with offers of money for his story
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Macky, maybe not many people know him here in north america, but he is probably much (MUCH) better known in the world than any north american athlete, bar none. he is the best player of the last 20 years of the most popular sport in the world, and he is adored by millions in north africa and france. he would have never tarnished his image in that way for money (of which he probably he has more than he needs anyways) with the chance of loosing himself and his country a second world cup.

edit: beat by jaffa. Didn't matterazi play in england for a while? :)
 
Don't panic said:
they can't, but that's the point. they were talking then and they had been talking before and we don't know who started and whose words were more insulting (which is a subjective matter anyway). I certainly don't condone insults of any kind, but trash talking goes on in many sports and it does not justify physical aggression. period.
As said before, if it was that bad, you bring it out after the game.
As far as the Golden Ball, the votes were in before the episode, and I think he wouldn't have gotten it if journalists had voted after.



Macky, maybe not many people know him here in north america, but he is probably much (MUCH) better known in the world than any north american athlete, bar none. he is the best player of the last 20 years of the most popular sport in the world, and he is adored by millions in north africa and france. he would have never tarnished his image in that way for money (of which he probably he has more than he needs anyways) with the chance of loosing himself and his country a second world cup.

edit: beat by jaffa. Didn't matterazi play in england for a while? :)
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Excellent post.

I think your spot on.

And the stuff about doing it so he can sell his story... quality. he has been paid about 100k a week for the last 10+ years, that is without sponsorship, win bonus and massive signing on bonuses... a book would only touch his amount of wealth.
 
Materazzi is a dirty bastard, just google him and watch some of the videos of his [extremely dangerous] fouls over the years.

i cannot be happy for Italy's win, they are second only to Portugal in the way they play. Diving, protesting their innocence, hypocrisy etc etc. and to play so negatively throughout the WC....Australia should have beaten them :(


oh, and look how Materazzi reacts...he falls over, granted, it was a serious headbutt, but you see him go to grab his face, as if he's used to playacting that scenario..."oh, wait, he didn't hit me in the head, stop trying to hold it."
 
oh, and this from the BBC...

BBC News said:
BBC Radio Five Live asked for help from a deaf lip reader, Jessica Rees, who read the words phonetically to an Italian translator.

She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist whore" - a translation also carried by many national newspapers in Britain on Tuesday.

The BBC's Ten O'Clock News also called in experts to study the television footage of the incident and determined the following:

Materazzi's first word to Zidane was "no" before he then told him to "calm down".

He then accused him of being a "liar" and wished "an ugly death to you and your family" on the day the Frenchman's mother had been taken to hospital ill. This was followed by "Go f*** yourself".

Zidane's agent, Alain Migliaccio, has hinted that Zidane will soon reveal exactly what was said by Materazzi.
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i'm sorry, i know you hear insults all the time of the football field, but that is enough to make most people have trouble restraining themselves...i'm sure it wasn't the first time in the game they "conversed" either.
 
evoluzione said:
oh, and this from the BBC...





i'm sorry, i know you hear insults all the time of the football field, but that is enough to make most people have trouble restraining themselves...i'm sure it wasn't the first time in the game they "conversed" either.
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My opinion hasnt changed. I've had worse said to me on a footy field.
 
lu0s3r322 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=395046&in_page_id=1770

As a loyal Zidane fan, Materazzi should face a severe punishment as should ZZ especially when FIFA absolutely does not tolerate racism.
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Apparently, that translation came from a British English-speaking lipreader attempting to read the words to an Italian-speaking translator. Given how rarely Italian is pronounced correctly by Brits, I'm not entirely sure how I'll take the accuracy on that one.

The Italian-speaking lipreader that the BBC News at 10 had on last night translated something that had nothing to do with terrorists but still wasn't pleasant. She said it was along the lines of 'an ugly death to you and your family' followed by a "vafanculo" or the likes. I'm not sure whether this was a specific slur since he knew about Zidane's mother, or given that 'bugger off and die' can be heard on streets across the UK, just a similar vague sentiment. There did seem to be quite a conversation going on although so far only Materrazzi's side can be 'seen'.

Why hasn't Zidane said what it was yet? Still trying to think of something that would justify his reaction perhaps.

As for going back and trying to retrospectively punish people, you'd end up punishing virtually everyone on the field throughout the tournament. Trashtalking is part of the game, for worse, no doubt - and I'm sure there were plenty of stereotypical slurs going on throughout.
 
What the ... :confused:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5168890.stm

World Cup official shot himself
Berlin's top World Cup official shot himself in the head just hours after the tournament ended and is now fighting for his life, police say.

Juergen Kiessling, 65, was rushed to hospital from his house in Reinickendorf, a suburb of Berlin, after a neighbour heard the shot.

The motive for the apparent suicide attempt is not yet clear.

German media report that he left two suicide notes - one for his daughter and one for his family.

Berlin hosted the World Cup final on Sunday, when fans watched Italy beat France on penalties.

Mr Kiessling was known as "Mister WM" (Mr World Cup) by colleagues in Berlin.

The tournament was widely seen as a great success for the host nation.
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Zidane should have proved himself a bigger man. He should have let whatever was said to him flow over him. His actions were completely inexcusable.

"Sticks and stones may my bones, but words will never hurt me..."
 
Macky-Mac said:
I personally think he was just positioning himself for selling his life story.......I mean nobody in north america , well practically nobody, knew anything about him........but now he's "that guy" who did the head butt thing....and the tabloids will be all over him with offers of money for his story
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That's a pretty cynical theory, that he'd tarnish his entire career and risk a championship to sell a few more books/movies. And the North America factor is irrelevant. Why would people here start caring about an athlete in another country, playing a sport they rarely hear about, for a team whose games are hard to find on TV, now that he's committed an egregious foul? I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be better-known, but it's just a fact that he's not famous here. How come Europeans don't remember Roberto Alomar spitting in an umpire's face? The nerve of them! :rolleyes:

I'm also baffled by Zidane's foul, but I'm highly amused by the analysis that's going on. Can't he have just lost his temper at a bad time? I also LOVE the obsession with a Portuguese player's wink after inspiring Rooney to foul him. As if provoking a goon to do something stupid was some kind of major conspiracy. :p
 
lu0s3r322 said:
As a loyal Zidane fan, Materazzi should face a severe punishment as should ZZ especially when FIFA absolutely does not tolerate racism.
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Even more... if it turns out to be true that Materazzi made a bad racist comment to Zidane the whole italian team could be punished. The FIFA rules allow to deprive Italy of the World Championship. The rules are clear about it, they were just changed this March...

FIFA Disciplinary Code said:
Chapter II, Section 3, Article 55
Par. 1: Anyone who publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a defamatory manner on account of race, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other discriminatory and/or contemptuous act, will be subject to match suspension for at least five matches at every level. Furthermore, a stadium ban and a fine of at least CHF 20,000 will be imposed on the perpetrator. If the perpetrator is an official, the fine will be at least CHF 30,000.
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Par. 4: If any player, association or club official or spectator perpetrates any kind of discriminatory or contemptuous act as described by par. 1 and/or 2 of this article, three points will automatically be deducted from the team concerned, if identifiable, after the first offence. In the case of a second offence, six points will automatically be deducted, and for a further offence, the team will be relegated.
In the case of matches without points, the team concerned, if identifiable, will be disqualified.
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groovebuster
 
personally i think they both should be punished.

zidane shouldn't headbutt people

materazzi shouldn't be spewing racist filth during the game.

both were wrong. both should go punished

(yes, it's alleged, i realize. so there'd need to be some sort of investigation i guess..)
 
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