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The Official World Cup 2006 Thread

MacsRgr8 said:
I don't think we will ever hear an official story....
It will always be one man's word against another.

BTW... who's going to believe the "official" story anyway. 🙄

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Ooooohps, I thought I read about the official story on the frontpages of all the English Newspapers this morning 😕

On the other hand it might be worth to agree on the story beforehand 🙂
 
so from what I read, this isn't the first time Zadine has been expelled for head butting or other such actions.

Is this sort of behavior common in Europe among professional soccer players? is it just considered part of the game?
 
XIII said:
Damn! He is a nasty piece of work isn't he..
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Yep.

Another case for post-match investigations?
He's not the only one....

Macky-Mac said:
Is this sort of behavior common in Europe among professional soccer players? is it just considered part of the game?
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Yes, and yes.
I'm afraid so.
I said it a zillion times......
the end justifies the means. Cheat, provoke, dive, elbow..... anything will do
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EDIT: maybe I should add: kick in the nuts, spit on opponent (remember Rijkaard anyone??), pull hair... etc.

But, the game is highly enjoyable if you watch the better teams....
 
Macky-Mac said:
Is this sort of behavior common in Europe among professional soccer players? is it just considered part of the game?
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I'd say violent behaviour of that level isn't that common. Yes, it does happen but when it does it's big news, as we're seeing with Zidane. Eric Cantona's Kung Fu kick, Lee Bowyer scrapping with Kieron Dyer (his own teammate, no less) and Paulo Di Canio shoving a referee to the ground spring to mind as example's of players losing it in spectacular fashion and getting violent, but these are the exceptions rather than the norm.
 
aloofman said:
OK, maybe this is a silly question. What's the logic of being able to deprive an entire team of a win because of one player's bigoted trash-talking?
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in this case, i'd simply say that it's FIFA's rules. maybe the rules don't make sense (like i've said, i don't think italy should have the cup taken from them), but they should enforce the rules they make. whether that means taking the cup or not i don't know, but they don't seem to be consistent, regardless.
 
MacsRgr8 said:
BTW...

Zidane should have hit Materazzi harder.
Take a look and his behaviour...
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some clever video editor who favors materazzi can make the same type of video for zidane. its not like zidane is spot free. 😱
 
BakedBeans said:
A truly GREAT man once said

"they know the rules, but they don't know the game"

Seems like any old fool can know the rules.

Here is what should happen, Zidane will get a fine and a ban (which he will never serve) and matterazzi should be let off or if they can conclusively proove he has said that stuff he should have a smaller fine and a smaller ban.

we should then forget it... and move on

really nit that hard is it
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Yes, please. Leave the Cup with Italy and the Best Player with Zidane. Any other way would be like the 2000 US election...

(edit: that is: an artificial, and regrettable, result)
 
I read in the Times that it was an anti-racism group in Paris who came up with the terrorist comment and it was a specific name for an Islamic terrorist that he might very well not have known. I'd also be surprised if that was the first insult that sprang to mind on the football. I'm guessing it's along the lines of motherf***er or son of a b*tch which goes down a lot worse in Med countries than it would in the UK or US.

However, Zindane has said it wasn't racist/terrorist now while it was about his family so perhaps it's time to absolve Materrazzi from the racist charge.

Again, while insults about family aren't pleasant, I still can see them justifying violence. Generations of French mothers will never make that 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' believable again.
 
XIII said:
French forgive, as Zidane explains.

Meh. If it were me I probably would have done what Zizou did.. but that doesn't make it right.
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He apologised to children and said of course they shouldn't do that kind of thing. He then goes on to say he didn't regret his action, i.e. he would do it again. Talk about sending out mixed messages to kids... 🙄

Forgiven shmegiven!
 
Applespider said:
Generations of French mothers will never make that 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' believable again.
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As I found out recently, it's not believable in the US either 😕 😱 😕

CompUser said:
IN 9TH GRADE they are teaching us...

Sticks and Stones will break my bones but names.... still hurt

(names hurt)


"Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones -- And Words Can Hurt, Too"
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B
 
CubaTBird said:
some clever video editor who favors materazzi can make the same type of video for zidane. its not like zidane is spot free. 😱
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True, especially since Zizou got a five games suspension while with Juventus for a nasty foul.

In truth, after having seen the replay several times it seems to me that also Zidane said something to Materazzi. Altercations in the pitch are common, but reactions like Zidane's are not; There is simply no valid excuse...

Time to focus on the European championship now
 
evoluzione said:
not sure exactly, but it's the same tune as the Pet Shop Boys' "Go West"
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Not sure if it sounds like that song. It's the one they play in the stadium after the match is finished and the players shake hands or exchange jerseys. It sounds sort of like an anthem.
 
calyxman said:
Not sure if it sounds like that song. It's the one they play in the stadium after the match is finished and the players shake hands or exchange jerseys. It sounds sort of like an anthem.
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It has a few phrases curiously close to the former Soviet Union National Anthem.
 
evoluzione said:
not sure exactly, but it's the same tune as the Pet Shop Boys' "Go West"
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I thought it was the dance remix of Go West. Knowing the German penchant for dodgy pop music, I wouldn't be entirely surprised...
 
Applespider said:
I thought it was the dance remix of Go West. Knowing the German penchant for dodgy pop music, I wouldn't be entirely surprised...
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Well, you're right, they played this song but the lyrics are changed. The song calyxman talked about could be another one though. I don't remember the other songs played. Is it the same that they played when the teams came to the pitch?

There were a lot of songs made about the World Cup in Germany, so it might have been one of those, too.
 
The song did not have any lyrics. It sounded more like an anthem and you heard it in the background being played in the stadium when the match was finished and a team reached victory. Usually while it's playing in the background, you'll see some of the players on the losing team with crestfallen faces applauding the outcome and recognizing the fans from their country in the stadium. It's not a fast paced song with lyrics. It has more of an opera-like sound. They at least played this song after every match in the round of 16--if not every match of the entire tournament.

Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
 
They also played 'Altogether Now' by The Farm after a couple of matches. That song was inspired by the Christmas Day truce that took place during the First World War, when soldiers put down their weapons and met in no mans land to have a game of footie. The Germans won the match, apparently, setting the precedent for German dominance over the British on the football field for most of the rest of the 20th Century. 😀
 
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