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The Official World Cup 2006 Thread

evoluzione said:
i'm sorry, i know you hear insults all the time of the football field, but that is enough to make most people have trouble restraining themselves...i'm sure it wasn't the first time in the game they "conversed" either.
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If we go down this lane, we must lip read every word said on the pitch by every player from minute 0 to minute 120. Who knows who started, who said what, and whose insult's were the most provoking. This is schollyard behaviour. And the reaction was a school yard reaction. A 30-something year old national skipper playing a World Cup™ Final in front of potential billions of people (including many youngsters) should know better.

Whatever ZZ may say will not change my opinion. It was shocking and I hope he gets some kind of punishment. A whopping big fine + heaps of community work would be nice.

I also hope Materazzi (and the whole incident) is investigated. If his alleged insults are true, he should also be reprimanded. I think we can threaten him with a ban (+ fine) as he is still playing.

And to the Italy bashers out there, Italy has been playing much fairer and squarer than the use to. In fact, I didn't see many of the "famous" Italian dives, their tackles were on the whole ok, and they didn't go around head butting people.
 
groovebuster said:
Even more... if it turns out to be true that Materazzi made a bad racist comment to Zidane the whole italian team could be punished. The FIFA rules allow to deprive Italy of the World Championship. The rules are clear about it, they were just changed this March...
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Yeah, I think they should give it to the French. Oh wait, they were violent on the pitch.

Leaves Germany. Oh crap, they were beaten fair and square by Italy. Let's give it to the Portuguese. Oh bullocks, they got all those yellow and red cards.

I know, let's give it to Brazil. Brazil always wins. :rolleyes:


What 2 pro footballers have to say about it.



I think this has been hashed, re-hashed and over-hashed. Let's let FIFA decide what happened and what the sanctions should be. :)
 
But how would they punish Zidane? "You're suspended for two international games" - big deal he's retired. Zidane will ultimately get away with it.
 
whocares said:
Yeah, I think they should give it to the French. Oh wait, they were violent on the pitch.
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That's exactly what should happen in this case... If a player is pyhsically violent he'll be sent off the field. That's what happened. Case closed! If a player does racist remarks the whole team is punished...

If Materazzi did a racist remark towards Zidane and it can be proven, the Cup goes to France. Zidane's head-butt is irrelevant for that.

Like it or not, but that's how the rules are made by FIFA. Now let's see if they really follow their own rules or if in the case of Italy we are on the Animal Farm.

groovebuster
 
We've got an alleged comment of racism against an actual act of violence.

The alleged racism from a man whose best friend at his club is a black Nigerian and the violence from a man who has been sent off 8 (of 14 times) times in his career for punching/slapping/headbutting - and you think that he should be rewarded? :rolleyes:
 
Applespider said:
We've got an alleged comment of racism against an actual act of violence.

The alleged racism from a man whose best friend at his club is a black Nigerian and the violence from a man who has been sent off 8 (of 14 times) times in his career for punching/slapping/headbutting - and you think that he should be rewarded? :rolleyes:
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Applespider, the 13th Apostle. :D

Not to mention the possible abuse Materazzi may - or may not, have received before the incident...

As for ZZ's sanction, like I said before: possible fines (for him and/or the French FA) + community work with youngsters.

And I say again; Materazzi's actions should also be investigated as should ZZ's before the incident. I love this new trend of being guilty before being proven innocent. :rolleyes:
 
Applespider said:
We've got an alleged comment of racism against an actual act of violence.

The alleged racism from a man whose best friend at his club is a black Nigerian and the violence from a man who has been sent off 8 (of 14 times) times in his career for punching/slapping/headbutting - and you think that he should be rewarded? :rolleyes:
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You don't understand. This is Zidane we are talking about. Not some mere mortal. Zidane...:rolleyes:
 
groovebuster said:
That's exactly what should happen in this case... If a player is pyhsically violent he'll be sent off the field. That's what happened. Case closed! If a player does racist remarks the whole team is punished...
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So you're saying an (alleged) racist comment is worse than a physical attack that could have had severe consequences (cracked sternum, broken ribs or worse)?

You need to get your priorities right. :rolleyes:
 
groovebuster said:
Even more... if it turns out to be true that Materazzi made a bad racist comment to Zidane the whole italian team could be punished. The FIFA rules allow to deprive Italy of the World Championship. The rules are clear about it, they were just changed this March...

groovebuster
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Kommt da einer aus seiner Höhle gekrochen?

I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure you are missing some things here:

FIFA Disciplinary Code said:
Chapter II, Section 3, Article 55
Par. 1: Anyone who publicly disparages...
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Clearly it was not in public, otherwise all the media would know exactly what he said. I think this was introduced mainly to stop the supporters doing racist sing-a-longs, not the players themselves.

Why do you hate Italy that much?
As some other people here said already, some verbal abuse is very common in nearly every professional sport. And as I mentioned already multiple times: Zidane is known for such brutal action on the field. He got sent off many times for similar offences (world cup, champions league, etc.). Why does everyone try to describe him as this innocent nice guy?

Just get over it and wait for the next world cup.
 
Applespider said:
We've got an alleged comment of racism against an actual act of violence.

The alleged racism from a man whose best friend at his club is a black Nigerian and the violence from a man who has been sent off 8 (of 14 times) times in his career for punching/slapping/headbutting - and you think that he should be rewarded? :rolleyes:
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i've got black friends too, i'm not racist!!!! :rolleyes:

black nigerian=algerian of muslim descent?

i don't think france should get the cup, and i'm not sure groovebuster does either (he may very well, though i took it as him criticizing fifa's unwillingness to follow its own rules), but i do think both guys should be punished, and that racist speech is likely to be inherent (and repeated), much like zidane's physical violence has been over the years.

punish both ****ers.
 
dejo said:
Exile him to Elba? ;)
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Elba's far too pretty... and it's an Italian island ;)
 

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Applespider said:
Elba's far too pretty... and it's an Italian island ;)
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So we're looking for the modern day equivalent of St. Helena. Far from anywhere important, barren and with no possibility of escape.

Scotland it is then ;) :p
 
satty said:
Kommt da einer aus seiner Höhle gekrochen?
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Schnauze!

Of course you had to make a comment like that...:rolleyes:

satty said:
I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure you are missing some things here:
Clearly it was not in public, otherwise all the media would know exactly what he said. I think this was introduced mainly to stop the supporters doing racist sing-a-longs, not the players themselves.
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Public includes of course also being on the field, the game was watched by billions of people... How much more public you can get? But you are right, the definition leaves room for interpretation. And they clearly include players... reread the paragraph.

satty said:
Why do you hate Italy that much?
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What the...? I don't hate Italy (as a country), I just don't like the way the italian team got through the whole tournament... When I said that (in my opinion) they didn't deserve to win I was told: that's football, by rule Italy won. But now some of the rules might cost Italy the Championship and now people tell me: just leave it, **** the rules... Hello?

satty said:
As some other people here said already, some verbal abuse is very common in nearly every professional sport.
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Thanks for the lesson, but I did semi-proessional sports myself when I was younger. I know exactly what can happen on the field...

satty said:
And as I mentioned already multiple times: Zidane is known for such brutal action on the field. He got sent off many times for similar offences (world cup, champions league, etc.). Why does everyone try to describe him as this innocent nice guy?
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Noone does, at least not me. It has nothing to with his past and I don't actually care. We are talking about the WC here. Because if we count the past in, Materazzi is also known as being an ******* on the field and got sent off the field for similar 'activities' often enough...

satty said:
Just get over it and wait for the next world cup.
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You mean rules only apply when they are in your favour?

The italians were pushing FIFA to accept a Video that showed Frings how he gave that 'punch' to the argentinian player, after FIFA already stated that there are no investigations pending on german players. The video was not shot by an official FIFA camera, it was shot by the camera of an italian TV station and was accapted as a proof anyway. Knowing that Frings was one of the most important players for the german team...

Don't you think they should have gotten over it? The argentinian player didn't press for any charges himself. It had nothing to do with the italian team and believe me, they wouldn't have given a **** about it, if Germany wouldn't have been the next team they had to play.

Now they should taste the same... If Materazzi really did this offense, they should get kicked in the ass just the same. The rules should apply equaly to everybody.

And before people tell me BS again about sour grapes and stuff. It has nothing to do with me being german, because I am not exactly a patriotic person. I would have been as pissed, if it would have happened to any other team in this world cup. But I guess it is just too easy to circumvent any discussion by killing it with the nationality argument... Very smart! :rolleyes:

groovebuster
 
jelloshotsrule said:
i don't think france should get the cup, and i'm not sure groovebuster does either (he may very well, though i took it as him criticizing fifa's unwillingness to follow its own rules),...
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Exactly my point. FIFA already bent their own rules clearly before and so far mostly in favour for Italy throughout the tournament...

groovebuster
 
A truly GREAT man once said

"they know the rules, but they don't know the game"

Seems like any old fool can know the rules.

Here is what should happen, Zidane will get a fine and a ban (which he will never serve) and matterazzi should be let off or if they can conclusively proove he has said that stuff he should have a smaller fine and a smaller ban.

we should then forget it... and move on

really nit that hard is it
 
groovebuster said:
Even more... if it turns out to be true that Materazzi made a bad racist comment to Zidane the whole italian team could be punished. The FIFA rules allow to deprive Italy of the World Championship. The rules are clear about it, they were just changed this March...

groovebuster
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OK, maybe this is a silly question. What's the logic of being able to deprive an entire team of a win because of one player's bigoted trash-talking?
 
Applespider said:
FIFA are investigating... Let's hold off on any more arguing until we find out what the official story is.
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I don't think we will ever hear an official story....
It will always be one man's word against another.

BTW... who's going to believe the "official" story anyway. :rolleyes:

We just have to forget about it. It has happened before, and it surely will happen again.
Football seems to be all about money. So, winning is everything. Thus the end justifies the means. Cheat, provoke, dive, elbow..... anything will do. ;)
 
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