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The Palm Pre's UI is peerless in its class.
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5 hours of continuous talk time.
http://insidesprintnow.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/palm-pre-goodness/#more-187
It's new, it's fresh. Everyone is excited. But will this excitement continue over time.
I remember when the first Palm Pilot came out. I was using other devices like the Newton. The Palm Pilot was so cool with a simple interface, sync'ed well, etc. However, after using it for a while I began to miss what was available on other platforms, mainly the Newton in this case.
My guess is that the Palm Pre may go the same way. It looks great, seems to do things well. Once it's out to the masses and the average user, it may quickly loose it's appeal.
I remember when the first Palm Pilot came out. I was using other devices like the Newton. The Palm Pilot was so cool with a simple interface, sync'ed well, etc. However, after using it for a while I began to miss what was available on other platforms, mainly the Newton in this case.
My guess is that the Palm Pre may go the same way. It looks great, seems to do things well. Once it's out to the masses and the average user, it may quickly loose it's appeal.
They released the continuous talk time as 5 hours, which correctly if I am wrong, but is the same as the iPhone. There is no release on web time etc... It looks like a great phone, and since I'm on Sprint I think I'm gonna be getting one. My contract is up in July and I was thinking I would have a new iPhone in my pocket soon after. Between the Pre's beautiful OS and design and the fact that Sprint coverage is great, and AT&T sucks, I'm starting to think I'm going with the Pre. We'll see what transpires.
Edit... some one beat me to the battery info, whoops.
I really like that tapping the antenna icon in the top right drops a connection menu down. I can't even count how many frakin' times I've opened up an app (YouTube, App Store, Skype, etc) only to realize I need to enable wifi (which, due to abysmal battery life I can't simply leave on all the time) which of course requires pressing the home button, going back to the springboard, navigating back to the page my Settings icon is on, opening it up, waiting 2 seconds for it to load (four or five seconds on 3.0 beta 5), turning on wifi, going back to the home screen, navigating back to the page with the app I was just in, opening the app, waiting 2-5 seconds for it to load, and re-searching or re-navigating to whatever I was viewing earlier. With the Palm Pre I wouldn't even have to navigate away from whatever app I was currently in?
SMART. DESIGN.
I hope Apple steals a page or two from Palm's playbook here. The iPhone OS could definitely use some help in a few key areas.
SMART. DESIGN.
I hope Apple steals a page or two from Palm's playbook here. The iPhone OS could definitely use some help in a few key areas.
It seems like an OS that was actually built in 2009 compared to one that was built in 2006 for a phone to be released the following year and that hasn't really seen any changes since.
I'm just not blown away by the iPhone anymore. It's slow (uses many animations to cover for this) and buggy at times. It's not modern anymore. If Schiller just talks about video recording and a faster processor at WWDC I'll be pissed. I'd much prefer him talk about how they're actually going to use this stuff to reinvent the iPhone somewhat rather than just make games better.
At this point, I really couldn't recommend an iphone to anyone that didn't own one, which is a stark contrast to how I used to be.
I hope Apple blow me away in June.
My backspace key stuck while writing this so i had to rewrite some.
I'm just not blown away by the iPhone anymore. It's slow (uses many animations to cover for this) and buggy at times. It's not modern anymore. If Schiller just talks about video recording and a faster processor at WWDC I'll be pissed. I'd much prefer him talk about how they're actually going to use this stuff to reinvent the iPhone somewhat rather than just make games better.
At this point, I really couldn't recommend an iphone to anyone that didn't own one, which is a stark contrast to how I used to be.
I hope Apple blow me away in June.
My backspace key stuck while writing this so i had to rewrite some.
Congrats to the most uninformed post of the week.
The few things that stick out to me:
1) Quick launch looks delicious. Open any application on your dock from within any app - very nice.
2) The "Back" and "Previous/next app" gestures are too similar. Users will probably intend to do one and mistakenly invoke the other.
3) One of the videos he says apps may be sandboxed just like on the iPhone. I really hope not. That just causes all sorts of limitations in exchange for "benefits" that I can't even guess at.
4) Why do both the iPhone and Pre force icons to auto-align?! Icons should just snap to the grid, but if you want empty spaces it should do that. Not only does it make easier to shuffle your icons around, but the white space helps keep apps organized into groups.
Just a note:
From the demo videos, it looks like the desired action is in a setting for the gesture area.
In other words, you can choose either being able to do a Back gesture, or being able to do the Prev/Next App gestures on the lower area. (I presume you can still do Prev/Next on the mainscreen when in card mode. The gesture area is simply an extra control.)
Dang. That is just awesome. In part the awesome-ness is probably how similar it is to the iPhone UI...EXCEPT...that it's like a theme for the iPhone UI. I'm just loving the colour scheme.
Mmm, official theme's for iPhone 3.0....
Mmm, official theme's for iPhone 3.0....
Love what Palm have managed to come up with but gonna stick to iPhone for the time being.
I'm still lost why this phone is getting so much hype for running "Web Apps" when the original iPhone got slated for the fact? Now the iPhone has true apps that you can install on the OS people are still moaning, while Palm comes out with Web OS running "Web Apps" and it is the new greatest thing??
I definitely see the appeal of its ability to multitask, however am curious to see how this pans out in real life usage. Also not sure about the tactile keyboard, have gotten quite used to onscreen virtual one!!
I'm still lost why this phone is getting so much hype for running "Web Apps" when the original iPhone got slated for the fact? Now the iPhone has true apps that you can install on the OS people are still moaning, while Palm comes out with Web OS running "Web Apps" and it is the new greatest thing??
I definitely see the appeal of its ability to multitask, however am curious to see how this pans out in real life usage. Also not sure about the tactile keyboard, have gotten quite used to onscreen virtual one!!
Palm Pre's "Web Apps" are more successful than iPhone's original Web Apps because Pre is using HTML5 techniques to create a more native experience. The WebKit engine at launch on iPhone EDGE did not support such techniques. Furthermore, the JavaScript engine on iPhone EDGE was nowhere near as zippy as the Nitro engine to be released in iPhone OS 3.0, and I believe Palm Pre.
Also, Pre's hardware is several times better than the hardware on the iPhone 2/3G. A fast processor and ample memory make for a smooth UX.
Lastly, Pre's apps may be web-based, but Palm has laid hooks in its OS/SDK, so apps can use system resources and tools. Apple has not allowed Web Apps to leave the Safari sandbox.
Both companies have made great decisions.
Side Note:
We need a re-designed Springboard. The current Springboard is incapable of managing multiple apps, transitioning between apps, scaling a large number of push notifications and SMS/MMS, and presenting at-a-glance information on the lock screen.
Also, Pre's hardware is several times better than the hardware on the iPhone 2/3G. A fast processor and ample memory make for a smooth UX.
Lastly, Pre's apps may be web-based, but Palm has laid hooks in its OS/SDK, so apps can use system resources and tools. Apple has not allowed Web Apps to leave the Safari sandbox.
Both companies have made great decisions.
Side Note:
We need a re-designed Springboard. The current Springboard is incapable of managing multiple apps, transitioning between apps, scaling a large number of push notifications and SMS/MMS, and presenting at-a-glance information on the lock screen.
I would LOVE to see a springboard redesign. The current design worked just fine when the original iPhone was launched, but is woefully inadequate now.
I really hate how gimmicky it looks. Should get people really worried because this may just be a gloss over a ****** OS like Vista.
And those gestures are quite complex. The gesture area and center button just complicate what works so well on the iPhone.
And those gestures are quite complex. The gesture area and center button just complicate what works so well on the iPhone.
how is that uninformed? apple has a patent of MULTITOUCH and guess what the pre has MULTITOUCH and apple said it WILL defend its patents very harshly. so i expect the pre to have to get rid of its multitouch with an Software update.. and that would piss off alot of pre users.
like"hey i just had multitouch now i dont"
good i sure would hope that apple would ensure its patents are kept.. uh.. patented?
couldnt users just not update their software though to keep multitouch??
yes cause i am sure the pre OS will NEVER be buggy being that its new and all and your right it prolly will not have one single problem
and as long as user NEVER update their phone which might make it better. they can keep their multitouch
oh of course it will have bugs and whatnot, but who says that the court case will go in apples favour BEFORE they bring out an update of some sort??
im sure many people would rather have a slightly buggy interface in substitution for rare software/features (the fact that its illegal will probably be to some peoples tastes aswell haha!)
A lot of Pre's interface elements is definitely inspired by the iPhone's. The on/off toggles, the screen-wide buttons, scrolling lists with momentum, among other things. The two major new things Pre brings to the table are the card metaphor and the notification area. Both of which I think are incredibly amazing.
However, there's one thing that surprised me in these screenshots. I remember watching Pre's announcement at CES. Palm emphasized the fact that there are no pop-up menus or any UI elements cluttering the screen. However, It seems that there's still a classic "application menu" for all applications to access certain features (Including Cut & Paste).
As for web apps, I personally feel this is a temporary thing. While web apps are perfectly fine for a lot of applications, it just won't hold up well for more demanding applications (i.e. 3D Games). I think Palm wants to get as many developers as possible abroad the webOS platform with a simple web-based SDK, then later on down the road allow for native apps. (I think Palm did actually confirm this)
However, there's one thing that surprised me in these screenshots. I remember watching Pre's announcement at CES. Palm emphasized the fact that there are no pop-up menus or any UI elements cluttering the screen. However, It seems that there's still a classic "application menu" for all applications to access certain features (Including Cut & Paste).
As for web apps, I personally feel this is a temporary thing. While web apps are perfectly fine for a lot of applications, it just won't hold up well for more demanding applications (i.e. 3D Games). I think Palm wants to get as many developers as possible abroad the webOS platform with a simple web-based SDK, then later on down the road allow for native apps. (I think Palm did actually confirm this)
The UI certainly has some polish to it, but I wonder if the rounded corners will get old.
Only time will tell of palm hits one out of the park with this. They're dealing with short term two issues as I see it:
1. Price, its a hundred dollars more then the iPhone. Yes, you can mail in the rebate and wait 6 months for the 100 bucks but you're still a hundred dollars lighter when you walk out of the store. Plus the odds of people actually sending it in are low which is why they do that.
2. Sprint, nobody I know likes sprint, even the customers hate them, just look at how fast sprint is losing customers.
If they were able to come out with this last year or on a different carrier, then I'd say they'd have a better shot but now its anyone's guess.
Only time will tell of palm hits one out of the park with this. They're dealing with short term two issues as I see it:
1. Price, its a hundred dollars more then the iPhone. Yes, you can mail in the rebate and wait 6 months for the 100 bucks but you're still a hundred dollars lighter when you walk out of the store. Plus the odds of people actually sending it in are low which is why they do that.
2. Sprint, nobody I know likes sprint, even the customers hate them, just look at how fast sprint is losing customers.
If they were able to come out with this last year or on a different carrier, then I'd say they'd have a better shot but now its anyone's guess.
wow and i was just about to say that it would be heaps cheaper then the iPhone, clearly not. one would hope that it is worth it!!!
never had any experience with them because i am in australia, but how to they compare to AT&T (iphones carrier isnt it?)