The Premier League Thread!

[Markleshark]

You don't see many like that Ronaldo one.. Absolutely **** all contact.. any why do you name Henry? He is widely regarded as one of the most sporting footballers in the world. Please don't bring up that 'was he elbowed in the face when he went down holding his face' thing that happened in the World Cup against Spain - that was so incredibly hyped up (because it was Henry, and he is usually so honest) its ridiculous. Just a couple of weeks ago against West Ham Henry was awarded a freekick, and you see him saying to the ref. "I fell over - what did you give the freekick for? He did nothing wrong."

I understand what your saying, but Henry is the wrong example to use...

ok, fair enough... I just don't like Henry... But mainly it's Chelsea players for me, and the reaction of Moaninho, they do it, Arsenal players do it, Man Utd players do it, and hell, Dagenham and Redbridge players do it, just one of those things.

How boring would football be if we didn't have this to talk about? As I said, it was a trip, a stumble, a fall, a clear foul, sending off, whatever... when its one of our teams players that do it, when its someone else, its a dive, of course it is... Thats what makes the world go round. At the end of the day (Not only does it get dark) but the ref made the decision, right? Maybe not. But we see it every week, thats what makes football interesting.

 

[XIII]

ok, fair enough... I just don't like Henry... But mainly it's Chelsea players for me, and the reaction of Moaninho, they do it, Arsenal players do it, Man Utd players do it, and hell, Dagenham and Redbridge players do it, just one of those things.

How boring would football be if we didn't have this to talk about? As I said, it was a trip, a stumble, a fall, a clear foul, sending off, whatever... when its one of our teams players that do it, when its someone else, its a dive, of course it is... Thats what makes the world go round. At the end of the day (Not only does it get dark) but the ref made the decision, right? Maybe not. But we see it every week, thats what makes football interesting.

Fair enough, thats one view. I believe football would still be interesting without the diving.

 

[Markleshark]

Fair enough, thats one view. I believe football would still be interesting without the diving.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean thats the only thing that is interesting about football, I just think its another one of those human errors, will he or wont he things that makes it more interesting.

 

[XIII]

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean thats the only thing that is interesting about football, I just think its another one of those human errors, will he or wont he things that makes it more interesting.

That is a way of looking upon diving in football that I have never really considered before. Interesting. So do you see a lack of video replays as a good thing too then? As it means there is again, human error involved.

 

[Markleshark]

Video replays, I would not like to see. However, not totally, as I would like to see some form of goal line technology introduced (Which I believe is about the view of the FA) I like the human error, I think if we all become robots to technology we'll run out of things to talk about in the pub (since we wont be able to smoke here soon... Not that I do, but hey... thats a whole different argument for another time)

Things such as the award of free kicks and the likes should be left up to the man in charge, not technology and 3 other men sitting in a box with a TV. I do however think some kind of goal line technology could be beneficial. Just a personal view, a sort of meet in the middle with Humans and Technology.

I live, eat, breathe and sleep football. I, like everyone else likes to see their team dong well and winning (more or less, by whatever it takes) but I think any team being cheated out of a perfectly good goal by someone who can't judge if a ball has crossed a line, from, what? 30+ yards away is a great shame. I must use a goal against us [Man Utd] as an example. When Pedro Mendes (I think) shot from his own half and Roy Carroll fumbled it, the lines man was 20 yards behind play and another 30 yards away from the goal. We got lucky, and for that I was happy. But I can't help wondering how that man can make such a decision at such a point in a game and deny a team a goal like that.

P.S. Thanks for seeing my side, rather than just the (admittedly, stereotypical) view of 'Bah, we must get rid of all the bad. Black is black and white is white... We'll have no grey here'

 

[XIII]

Video replays, I would not like to see. However, not totally, as I would like to see some form of goal line technology introduced (Which I believe is about the view of the FA) I like the human error, I think if we all become robots to technology we'll run out of things to talk about in the pub (since we wont be able to smoke here soon... Not that I do, but hey... thats a whole different argument for another time)

Things such as the award of free kicks and the likes should be left up to the man in charge, not technology and 3 other men sitting in a box with a TV. I do however think some kind of goal line technology could be beneficial. Just a personal view, a sort of meet in the middle with Humans and Technology.

I live, eat, breathe and sleep football. I, like everyone else likes to see their team dong well and winning (more or less, by whatever it takes) but I think any team being cheated out of a perfectly good goal by someone who can't judge if a ball has crossed a line, from, what? 30+ yards away is a great shame. I must use a goal against us [Man Utd] as an example. When Pedro Mendes (I think) shot from his own half and Roy Carroll fumbled it, the lines man was 20 yards behind play and another 30 yards away from the goal. We got lucky, and for that I was happy. But I can't help wondering how that man can make such a decision at such a point in a game and deny a team a goal like that.

P.S. Thanks for seeing my side, rather than just the (admittedly, stereotypical) view of 'Bah, we must get rid of all the bad. Black is black and white is white... We'll have no grey here'

Yeah, no problem, I'm pretty interested by your opinions on it. I think you're definitely right on the goal line deal - something should be done about that, that is denying a team a perfectly good goal. But surely you could go on from there to argue that there should be video technology used in the penalty areas too - as dives in the penalty area/perfectly good tackles (United/Tottenham this weekend) also lead to or deny goals. Just depends how far you take it.

On the whole though I agree most of the power has to be left with the referee. Yes, if all decision were good, there would be little to talk about, but also, it would disrupt the flow of the game so much if the referee consulted video referees about every freekick in a remotely dangerous position.

One thing that does frustrate me incredibly is playacting by players - and Arsenal's Eboue is very guilty of this. When players go down to waste time, or to break up the flow of the game, and they collapse on the pitch, forcing the opposing team to give up their position (if the referee blows up) - that is bad cheating in my opinion. They usually stay down on the pitch for maybe 3, 4 minutes, before being taken to the sideline, where they get up and walk straight back on again. Now, I can't remember where I heard this, but I believe it would be a good idea to force players to stay off of the pitch for as long as they were down on it - making their team play with 10 (or possibly less) men. A prime example of this happened in the 1-1 draw between Arsenal and Everton at the Emirates. We were attacking, Rosicky had the ball on the D, and someone went down holding their head in the area, from a nothing challenge. Head injury - ref. stops plays. Players stays down for 4 minutes on the pitch, ****s up any attacking momentum we had, goes off the pitch. Everton kick the ball all the way back to Lehmann, player comes straight back on.. and so on. I hate it. That football could do without.

 

[Markleshark]

Yeah, no problem, I'm pretty interested by your opinions on it. I think you're definitely right on the goal line deal - something should be done about that, that is denying a team a perfectly good goal. But surely you could go on from there to argue that there should be video technology used in the penalty areas too - as dives in the penalty area/perfectly good tackles (United/Tottenham this weekend) also lead to or deny goals. Just depends how far you take it.

On the whole though I agree most of the power has to be left with the referee. Yes, if all decision were good, there would be little to talk about, but also, it would disrupt the flow of the game so much if the referee consulted video referees about every freekick in a remotely dangerous position.

One thing that does frustrate me incredibly is playacting by players - and Arsenal's Eboue is very guilty of this. When players go down to waste time, or to break up the flow of the game, and they collapse on the pitch, forcing the opposing team to give up their position (if the referee blows up) - that is bad cheating in my opinion. They usually stay down on the pitch for maybe 3, 4 minutes, before being taken to the sideline, where they get up and walk straight back on again. Now, I can't remember where I heard this, but I believe it would be a good idea to force players to stay off of the pitch for as long as they were down on it - making their team play with 10 (or possibly less) men. A prime example of this happened in the 1-1 draw between Arsenal and Everton at the Emirates. We were attacking, Rosicky had the ball on the D, and someone went down holding their head in the area, from a nothing challenge. Head injury - ref. stops plays. Players stays down for 4 minutes on the pitch, ****s up any attacking momentum we had, goes off the pitch. Everton kick the ball all the way back to Lehmann, player comes straight back on.. and so on. I hate it. That football could do without.

Well yeah, you could go with the whole 'in the box' thing, and I did think of that but then you get the situation of if you have it only in the box, why not everywhere. Yes, it would disrupt the game a lot if the ref had to go to a video replay, imagine the added time we'd have? hehe

I agree with that, the whole going down to break up attacking momentum thing. Could not agree more. But I guess there is not a lot you could do about that. you can never really tell if a player is hurt or not, and I would not wish any kind of injury on any player, from any team.

However, what I would like to see brought back into the game is contesting for drop-balls. When did we stop doing that? Gets boring kicking it out of play I thinks, get the two captains in and contest for it.

Thats something we could do with getting rid of think about it (and every team is as bad) is surrounding the ref. The ref just isnt going to change their mind after the decision has already been given, they just can't do that. So I thinks thats something we could take from rugby, only the 2 captains can contest a decision with the ref. I think that could pick the pace of the game up a lot as well.

 

[R.Youden]

I suppose I was just being a bit grumpy about the cheating idea. I play sport to a relatively high level and I lost out on a place in an international team because someone cheated so I can't stand it!

I think that a good rule in introduce would be as they have in rugby, only the captain of each side can speak to the ref. That would stop a lot of this chasing after refs and demanding other players get booked. Also make the refs be miked up and played over the stadium loud speakers, that would be interesting!

 

[Markleshark]

I suppose I was just being a bit grumpy about the cheating idea. I play sport to a relatively high level and I lost out on a place in an international team because someone cheated so I can't stand it!

I think that a good rule in introduce would be as they have in rugby, only the captain of each side can speak to the ref. That would stop a lot of this chasing after refs and demanding other players get booked. Also make the refs be miked up and played over the stadium loud speakers, that would be interesting!

hehe, great minds eh R.Youden

That is the beauty of lower-league football me thinks, you can almost hear what the ref is saying without Mics, but yeah, that is a good idea I personally think.

 

[Jaffa Cake]

I think that a good rule in introduce would be as they have in rugby, only the captain of each side can speak to the ref. That would stop a lot of this chasing after refs and demanding other players get booked.

They were discussing it on one of the punditry shows a few days back (I can't remember which one) – I think it's a great idea.

It really annoys me when players descend on the referee demanding he change his mind on a decision or demanding he book one of the opposition. Other than the players directly involved in an incident (say, the player who's perpetrated a foul) no one else has any business speaking to the referee about it.

 

[R.Youden]

They were discussing it on one of the punditry shows a few days back (I can't remember which one) – I think it's a great idea.

It really annoys me when players descend on the referee demanding he change his mind on a decision or demanding he book one of the opposition. Other than the players directly involved in an incident (say, the player who's perpetrated a foul) no one else has any business speaking to the referee about it.

I suppose it may work with Uriah ****** but no others!

 

[Jaffa Cake]

I suppose it may work with Uriah ****** but no others!

Let's just agree not to mention his name again, eh?

 

[R.Youden]

Let's just agree not to mention his name again, eh?

Wasn't he in charge of the game at Portsmouth? A few years ago he was a top ref (says something about the others!) but now people protest every decision he makes even if it was a good one. I think it was Mendes who got 2 booking yesterday, it could have been 3 and the 2nd one he was given was so late it was terrible but he still looked shocked!

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Let's just agree not to mention his name again, eh?

I found you a new 'tar:

 

[R.Youden]

While I am on here and we are sort of on the subject of technology in football what do people think of this idea:

Every player has a small transponder inside his shoe (a-la iPod + Nike thingy). This device can automatically calculate the position of every player on the park and instantly give off side decisions. This would work on the position of the players feet and nothing to do with a "gap". Also get rid of this damn silly active / inactive rule. If you are beyond the last defender you are off side, simple!

This solution would be relatively simple to implement, I am sure there are people on here very capable of doing so.

I found you a new 'tar:

He's getting a card out, run away!

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Wasn't he in charge of the game at Portsmouth?

He was indeed. He was also charge of our game against Wolves a few weeks back and he was very, very poor to say the least. One of those officials who always feels he has to be at the centre of attention.

I found you a new 'tar:

Thank you – that's very kind.

It looks like someone's trying to pick his pocket.

 

[XIII]

Thats something we could do with getting rid of think about it (and every team is as bad) is surrounding the ref. The ref just isnt going to change their mind after the decision has already been given, they just can't do that. So I thinks thats something we could take from rugby, only the 2 captains can contest a decision with the ref. I think that could pick the pace of the game up a lot as well.

Agree totally, like others have said - the ref. having a mic. like in rugby, and only the captains speaking to him.. it makes a lot of sense. The only awkward times are maybe when your captain (Henry for example) is down the other end of the pitch, doesn't see the incident and has to run all the way back to talk to the ref..

Sensors in shoes are theoretically a good idea I guess.. would be almost frustrating how perfect the decisions where though, haha. But yeah - it would work. The active/inactive rule serves a purpose. Frequently in a game (and sorry to use the same player again, I just watch him a lot), you see Henry chasing the goalie down. If the ball then breaks forward, he runs back towards the ball with his arm in the air, saying im not playing a role - don't play the offside. If an offside is called there - it disrupts the play a lot, when he could simply be allowed to return to an onside position, and then attack.

 

[R.Youden]

Sensors in shoes are theoretically a good idea I guess.. would be almost frustrating how perfect the decisions where though, haha. But yeah - it would work. The active/inactive rule serves a purpose. Frequently in a game (and sorry to use the same player again, I just watch him a lot), you see Henry chasing the goalie down. If the ball then breaks forward, he runs back towards the ball with his arm in the air, saying im not playing a role - don't play the offside. If an offside is called there - it disrupts the play a lot, when he could simply be allowed to return to an onside position, and then attack.

I agree and the ref would have the final say. The big question is when does a player become active? If a defender makes a run to mark an off-side player then that player is active, even if he is at the other side of the pitch as he is changing the course of the game.

 

[Jaffa Cake]

One problem with adding various bits of technology is how far down the league ladder does it go? The likes of Arsenal and Chelsea would have no problems implementing fancy technology from a financial point of view, but for the smaller clubs in League Two, say, it's another expense that'll eat into already tight budgets.

 

[R.Youden]

One problem with adding various bits of technology is how far down the league ladder does it go? The likes of Arsenal and Chelsea would have no problems implementing fancy technology from a financial point of view, but for the smaller clubs in League Two, say, it's another expense that'll eat into already tight budgets.

True, but it would be something that the FA of each country would have to pay for. It could be done for less that 5k per club and they are responsible for each system. Apparently that large GCSE level electronic board the 4th official has cost £4000 each, I want the contact to make them!

 

[XIII]

I agree and the ref would have the final say. The big question is when does a player become active? If a defender makes a run to mark an off-side player then that player is active, even if he is at the other side of the pitch as he is changing the course of the game.

Yeah. True.. I guess it comes down to if the offside player is showing an effort to get back onside. If he is, its the defenders fault for marking him when he's offside - if not, he gets called as offside? Blaugh. More complicated than I thought.

One problem with adding various bits of technology is how far down the league ladder does it go? The likes of Arsenal and Chelsea would have no problems implementing fancy technology from a financial point of view, but for the smaller clubs in League Two, say, it's another expense that'll eat into already tight budgets.

Yeah, good point. I can't see the FA covering the costs somehow..

True, but it would be something that the FA of each country would have to pay for. It could be done for less that 5k per club and they are responsible for each system. Apparently that large GCSE level electronic board the 4th official has cost £4000 each, I want the contact to make them!

Unless, indeed, they were forced. £4k!? What!

 

[R.Youden]

Hull City have just sacked Phil Parkinson. If we get the right man in we will be on our way to League One in no time! Look out everyone.

Any good Premiership Managers bored with their club?

 

[Markleshark]

Dowie? Curbs?... Let the speculation begin!

On a side note, is Mr Bridges dead? Aint seen him in the team, or even the squad for a while?...

 

[R.Youden]

Dowie? Curbs?... Let the speculation begin!

On a side note, is Mr Bridges dead? Aint seen him in the team, or even the squad for a while?...

I heard a rumour of big Kevin Keegan. I would like Curbishly but I think they may go for Dowie.

As for Bridges he has had a bit of injury but he was a panic buy. I hope that a new manager gives him a proper run in the team and can show us what we all know he is capable of.

 

[rose red]

Is Phil Brown still with Hull?