It was very noticeable. Sorry but I don't agree. It made a change that was very obvious.
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It was very noticeable. Sorry but I don't agree. It made a change that was very obvious.
A further explanation of the maddening symptom:
When I open disk utility and selecting the SSD boot drive and look at 'Capacity' and 'Available' at the bottom, the Available number changes from around 24mb up to 32GB (which should be 'real') with any variety of numbers in between each time I select the SSD in the list. If anyone knows what this means, please offer an opinion. Perhaps the drive is faulty? It does seem to work ok, but doesn't boot very fast (45 seconds). Again, I think 25% is more than a reasonable amount of free space, but something is causing the free space to fluctuate wildly. Haven't found anything like this on google searches.
When I open disk utility and selecting the SSD boot drive and look at 'Capacity' and 'Available' at the bottom, the Available number changes from around 24mb up to 32GB (which should be 'real') with any variety of numbers in between each time I select the SSD in the list. If anyone knows what this means, please offer an opinion. Perhaps the drive is faulty? It does seem to work ok, but doesn't boot very fast (45 seconds). Again, I think 25% is more than a reasonable amount of free space, but something is causing the free space to fluctuate wildly. Haven't found anything like this on google searches.
I would try a fresh install of OSX. Some people have had luck with Carbon Copy Cloner, but I would *always* advise starting from scratch when installing a new hard drive/SSD. Boot into recovery mode using CMD+R, erase the SSD, format a new partition as Mac OS Extended, and re-download/re-install Mountain Lion. It will take longer for sure, but it should hopefully be worth it in the end. Just be sure to backup your files to a second drive somewhere.
Did some heavy gaming and video importing/publishing (just to try and recreate the issues) and I'm glad to report that I had no beach balls, lockups, slowdowns or anything else of that nature.
I know everyone has different experiences, but if you're running your SSD from the optical bay and are running into similar issues, definitely try putting it into the drive bay. It seems to have worked for me.
Guess I have nothing else to do at this point but to start enjoying it!
I know everyone has different experiences, but if you're running your SSD from the optical bay and are running into similar issues, definitely try putting it into the drive bay. It seems to have worked for me.
Guess I have nothing else to do at this point but to start enjoying it!
After months of having a failing Hitachi 5400 RPM HD in my mid 2010 17" MBP making it run super slow (which had seen multiple OS upgrades and countless useless apps and junk on it) I gave up! It used to take up to 5-6 minutes to boot completely, and even opening programs such as iTunes and iPhoto took 2-3 minutes.
Finally I had enough and purchased a 128GB 830 with a did a clean install of 10.7.4 with a self-made Lion USB thumb drive (didn't even restore with Time Machine either, blew that away as well as I really wanted a clean slate and my iTunes/iPhoto libraries and Documents folder are synced with Dropbox anyway). Took some time to re-install everything and set it up to how I want but I could not be happier now as it feels like a brand new machine! I have a NAS for all my main storage also, so I'm quite content in cutting out all the useless apps I had and installing only the essentials.
Trim enabler worked fine and is active, specs are 2.53Ghz i5, 8GB memory and now is by far the snappiest, fastest computer I've ever owned! So far no issues! *fingers crossed*
Finally I had enough and purchased a 128GB 830 with a did a clean install of 10.7.4 with a self-made Lion USB thumb drive (didn't even restore with Time Machine either, blew that away as well as I really wanted a clean slate and my iTunes/iPhoto libraries and Documents folder are synced with Dropbox anyway). Took some time to re-install everything and set it up to how I want but I could not be happier now as it feels like a brand new machine! I have a NAS for all my main storage also, so I'm quite content in cutting out all the useless apps I had and installing only the essentials.
Trim enabler worked fine and is active, specs are 2.53Ghz i5, 8GB memory and now is by far the snappiest, fastest computer I've ever owned! So far no issues! *fingers crossed*
Soooo.....
I installed two new 64 gb SAMSUNG 830 drives today with no problems. Set up the new drives in RAID, no problem.
Everything is installed and updated and read times are maxing out at 336 mb/s???? That sucks. I knew i was going to get SATA 2 speeds but 336 ridiculous.
Anyone have any ideas why? Thanks
EDIT: 2010 MBP 2.8 i7
EDIT2:
Anyone know anything about an "i7 SATA bug"?????
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/bizarre-new-sata-bug-in-macbook-pro-core-i7-series/6901
Is this for real?????? What in the hell......
I installed two new 64 gb SAMSUNG 830 drives today with no problems. Set up the new drives in RAID, no problem.
Everything is installed and updated and read times are maxing out at 336 mb/s???? That sucks. I knew i was going to get SATA 2 speeds but 336 ridiculous.
Anyone have any ideas why? Thanks
EDIT: 2010 MBP 2.8 i7
EDIT2:
Anyone know anything about an "i7 SATA bug"?????
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/bizarre-new-sata-bug-in-macbook-pro-core-i7-series/6901
Is this for real?????? What in the hell......
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That's exactly the limit of SATA2. Maybe your hardware RAID isn't configured properly.
Sata 2 maxes out at 300 mb/s.
I have a RAID configuration maxing out at 330 mb/s when i should be seeing speeds at 500+ mb/s.
If it wasn't working then i wouldnt be seeing 330, i'd be seeing 280 or something. And the max write on these 64gb is 160. So the 323 figure is money.
I see that this is fairly well documented from years ago.
Why hasnt this been fixed????
http://macperformanceguide.com/Reviews-MacBookProCore_i7-SATA-Bizarre.html
http://macs.about.com/b/2010/05/17/macbook-pro-sata-firewire-issue.htm
REALLY APPLE!??!?!??!?! FOR MY SSD RAID TO WORK I NEED TO KEEP A FIREWIRE PLUG IN THE PORT FOR SOME REASON!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!! REALLY??????????????????????????????????? GOD DAMNIT(*!@$*(#$!&*($@!I@
EDIT:
I went to the genius bar today and got the "official answer" from Apple. The genius said my Raid configuration is not working correctly.
I asked him how that even made sense considering the circumstances that raid worked perfect with the Firewire port active????? and he just sort of stared blankly at me and repeated the "official apple answer"
So i guess apple thinks my internal SSD's are INCOMPATIBLE WITH MY GOD DAMN UNUSED FIREWIRE PORT?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?*(#@*(#$(*@#*(#*()@$$(#*)#$()*#*()@$
HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE????
I have a RAID configuration maxing out at 330 mb/s when i should be seeing speeds at 500+ mb/s.
If it wasn't working then i wouldnt be seeing 330, i'd be seeing 280 or something. And the max write on these 64gb is 160. So the 323 figure is money.
I see that this is fairly well documented from years ago.
Why hasnt this been fixed????
http://macperformanceguide.com/Reviews-MacBookProCore_i7-SATA-Bizarre.html
http://macs.about.com/b/2010/05/17/macbook-pro-sata-firewire-issue.htm
REALLY APPLE!??!?!??!?! FOR MY SSD RAID TO WORK I NEED TO KEEP A FIREWIRE PLUG IN THE PORT FOR SOME REASON!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!! REALLY??????????????????????????????????? GOD DAMNIT(*!@$*(#$!&*($@!I@
EDIT:
I went to the genius bar today and got the "official answer" from Apple. The genius said my Raid configuration is not working correctly.
I asked him how that even made sense considering the circumstances that raid worked perfect with the Firewire port active????? and he just sort of stared blankly at me and repeated the "official apple answer"
So i guess apple thinks my internal SSD's are INCOMPATIBLE WITH MY GOD DAMN UNUSED FIREWIRE PORT?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?*(#@*(#$(*@#*(#*()@$$(#*)#$()*#*()@$
HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE????
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Samsung 830 512gb ssd battery life
I am planning to purchase the 512gb version of the 830 for my 2012 macbook pro and was wondering if anyone has experienced any affect on power consumption. I just want to know if this will make my battery drain faster or does it stay roughly about the same as with the oem hdd.
I am planning to purchase the 512gb version of the 830 for my 2012 macbook pro and was wondering if anyone has experienced any affect on power consumption. I just want to know if this will make my battery drain faster or does it stay roughly about the same as with the oem hdd.
SSD's use basically no power because there's nothing moving. After you install an SSD people usually disable HDD sleep in the system preferences because they use so little power anyways.
Uh, thanks captain obvious...err spaceman
My point was that if he ran that in RAID 0 mode, he'd be hitting the SATA III limitations, which is 6Gbps, an equivalent to 768MB (without overhead).
There is no way you can hit 1200MB/sec. Maybe with SATAIV or V. Or Thunderbolt, which is 10Gbit.
The 6Gbps goes per channel unless the SATA controllers are cheaply implemented (i.e. two channels on one controller).
So, 1000 MB/s is well possible and by respectable publication tested.
Samsung SSD830 slow
Hi,
I just install my SSD 520GB to my Macbook pro late 2008 with Moutain Lion and as you can see on the picture my speed is pretty low.
Write 192.8
Read 253.5
What can I do to improve the speed of my machine and SSD?
I install a 8GB memory.
Thanks for your help!
Hi,
I just install my SSD 520GB to my Macbook pro late 2008 with Moutain Lion and as you can see on the picture my speed is pretty low.
Write 192.8
Read 253.5
What can I do to improve the speed of my machine and SSD?
I install a 8GB memory.
Thanks for your help!
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This is as fast as it goes, with post 2011 machine it is definitely go higher, because it is sata 3 machine. Pre 2010 machine is sata 2.
I just ordered a 512GB one. I am waiting for UPS man to get here with it. I want to do a fresh install of Mountain Lion but I also want to import my photos, music and work documents. If I have a time machine backup is this possible?
Any advice?
Any advice?
Thought this would be a great thread to post my findings.
Two months ago I was able to obtain four different SSDs, all for free. So I decided to do a quick roundup or "shoot out" on the disk speeds and firmware updates. Once completed I RMA'd each drive to see how each companies customer service handled my RMA and the time they did it in.
I did 5 speed tests on each of the following drives with Trim Enabled via Trim Enabler on a 2012 13-inch MacBook Pro in the MAIN hard drive bay. A $10 Optibay Hard Drive Caddy as also used to test firmware updating via Bootcamp.
EXPERIENCE:
Over all, my best experience was with OCZ, they handled my RMA case the most timely, especially with their advance RMA. They did not interrogate me with questions about my "defective" product and did not request and receipt or proof of purchase. It was a let me help you, ok lets get an advance RMA setup and send you a working product customer service which I found the most friendly and timely.
My least pleasant experience was a toss up/tie between Samsung and Crucial because they did not offer an advance RMA which is huge because if the drive is still functional this reduces down time which can be costly to some people.
During my time with each SSD, they all function and performance flawlessly. I did not have any issues with any of the SSDs at all. I did notice the Samsung and OCZ were the fastest upon more intensive tasks, such as editing 300MB PSD files that were 25 megapixels and also large data transfer. For day to day web browsing task, its near impossible to notice which drive is the fastest. While the Crucial M4 read speeds were the fastest, I find it over shadowed by its underwhelming, slower write speeds barely passing the mid 200s, especially since it has a SATA III interface.
I know OCZ has a less than stellar reputation for reliability but I've own every generation of Vertex SSDs, Vertex, Vertex 2, Vertex 3 Max IOPS, Vertex 4 and also the very cheap and slow Vertex Plus and NONE of them have ever failed. My original Vertex 60GB SSDs are over 2 years old and still running strong in a PC.
WRAP UP:
To wrap it up, if I had to pick just one, I would pick the OCZ Vertex 4 for more than just its blatant fast speeds, but for the great customer service experience I had with them and the ease of updating firmware via OSX. My next choice would be the Samsung 830 for its reputation for reliability and its second fastest speeds.
INTERESTING ARTICLES:
Samsung release two firmware updates in one week to 830 SSDs.
Crucial release firmware update to M4 due to SSDs stop working after 5000hrs of use.
OCZ Vertex 4 v1.4 and v1.5 firmware tests
Two months ago I was able to obtain four different SSDs, all for free.
So I decided to do a quick roundup or "shoot out" on the disk speeds and firmware updates. Once completed I RMA'd each drive to see how each companies customer service handled my RMA and the time they did it in.I did 5 speed tests on each of the following drives with Trim Enabled via Trim Enabler on a 2012 13-inch MacBook Pro in the MAIN hard drive bay. A $10 Optibay Hard Drive Caddy as also used to test firmware updating via Bootcamp.
- Corsair Force GT 240GB SSD - $189
Write: 306.3 MB/s
Read: 486.1 MB/s
FIRMWARE: Cannot be updated in OSX natively, you must use a Windows PC or with Bootcamp using the Windows Update Tool found at http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110257
RMA: I setup my RMA via http://www.corsair.com/support/technicalsupport/. Quick email response and RMA creation, Corsair did NOT ask for proof of purchase or receipt to validate product was still under warranty. Shipped off the "defective drive". Received my replacement drive as a brand new unit in sealed retail box 3 weeks later. Corsair offers an Advance RMA which I did not know prior to requesting an RMA. I would recommend doing an Advance RMA to anyone in the future.
- Crucial M4 256GB SSD - $198
Write: 265.4 MB/s
Read: 501.9 MB/s
FIRMWARE: Can be updated in OSX with a USB Drive or CD Disc using these instructions http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-S...M4-SSD-firmware-for-Mac-Os-X-users/td-p/59000 or via Bootcamp using the Windows Updater Tool found at http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.aspx
RMA: I setup my RMA via http://www.crucial.com/support/rma/index.aspx. Quick email response and RMA creation, Crucial DID ask for proof of purchase or receipt to validate product was still under warranty. Shipped off the "defective drive". Received my replacement drive as a brand new unit in sealed retail box 10 business days. Crucial does NOT offer an Advance RMA which is a big let down, especially for reducing time and expediting the whole RMA process.
- OCZ Vertex 4 256GB SSD - $199
Write: 472.2 MB/s
Read: 429.9 MB/s
FIRMWARE: Easily updated for the Mac with their MacTools http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?103483-MAC-ONLY-Firmware-update and can be updated via Bootcamp following these instructions http://techarcana.net/2011/11/03/updating-ssd-firmware-on-macbook-pro/
RMA: I setup my RMA via http://www.ocztechnology.com/support. Quick email response and RMA creation, OCZ did NOT ask for proof of purchase or receipt to validate product was still under warranty. OCZ offers an Advance RMA upon *request only (*please note). They took my credit/debit card info and shipped me a brand new, sealed Vertex 4, which arrived 3 business days later. Once the new drive arrived, I sent back my "defective" drive.
- Samsung 830 256GB SSD - $212
Write: 407.8 MB/s
Read: 474.5 MB/s
FIRMWARE: Cannot be updated in OSX natively, you must use a Windows PC or with Bootcamp using Samsung's Magician software found at http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.c...0120106153923824/Samsung_Magician_Ver.3.1.exe
RMA: I setup my RMA via http://www.samsung.com/us/support/service/request. Quick email response and RMA creation, Samsung did NOT ask for proof of purchase or receipt to validate product was still under warranty. I do not know if Samsung offers an Advance RMA as I could not find any info on if they do or not. I attempted to call Samsung but no one could answer this for me. I sent in my "defective" drive and received a brand new, sealed SSD in retail box 8 business days later.
EXPERIENCE:
Over all, my best experience was with OCZ, they handled my RMA case the most timely, especially with their advance RMA. They did not interrogate me with questions about my "defective" product and did not request and receipt or proof of purchase. It was a let me help you, ok lets get an advance RMA setup and send you a working product customer service which I found the most friendly and timely.
My least pleasant experience was a toss up/tie between Samsung and Crucial because they did not offer an advance RMA which is huge because if the drive is still functional this reduces down time which can be costly to some people.
During my time with each SSD, they all function and performance flawlessly. I did not have any issues with any of the SSDs at all. I did notice the Samsung and OCZ were the fastest upon more intensive tasks, such as editing 300MB PSD files that were 25 megapixels and also large data transfer. For day to day web browsing task, its near impossible to notice which drive is the fastest. While the Crucial M4 read speeds were the fastest, I find it over shadowed by its underwhelming, slower write speeds barely passing the mid 200s, especially since it has a SATA III interface.
I know OCZ has a less than stellar reputation for reliability but I've own every generation of Vertex SSDs, Vertex, Vertex 2, Vertex 3 Max IOPS, Vertex 4 and also the very cheap and slow Vertex Plus and NONE of them have ever failed. My original Vertex 60GB SSDs are over 2 years old and still running strong in a PC.
WRAP UP:
To wrap it up, if I had to pick just one, I would pick the OCZ Vertex 4 for more than just its blatant fast speeds, but for the great customer service experience I had with them and the ease of updating firmware via OSX. My next choice would be the Samsung 830 for its reputation for reliability and its second fastest speeds.
INTERESTING ARTICLES:
Samsung release two firmware updates in one week to 830 SSDs.
Crucial release firmware update to M4 due to SSDs stop working after 5000hrs of use.
OCZ Vertex 4 v1.4 and v1.5 firmware tests
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System running much hotter after installing a Samsung 830 SSD
Hi Guys,
I took the plunge yesterday and installed a Samsung 830 (256GB) into my mid 2012 Macbook Pro 13".
Firstly, amazing performance - boot ups in less than 13 seconds! However, I am a little concerned about the temperature of my system. I suspect that the processor has been receiving a real pounding now there is less of a bottleneck; plus I have been restarting the Macbook a lot, so there are been a lot of activity anyway.
Has anyone else experienced a dramatic increase in temperature? I have enabled Trim, reset SMC and PRAM...but nothing else so far.
I'll start taking some measurements this week to monitor the situation - but it was clear last night that my machine was a lot hotter than usual.
Your thoughts and advice are very welcome,
Graham
Hi Guys,
I took the plunge yesterday and installed a Samsung 830 (256GB) into my mid 2012 Macbook Pro 13".
Firstly, amazing performance - boot ups in less than 13 seconds! However, I am a little concerned about the temperature of my system. I suspect that the processor has been receiving a real pounding now there is less of a bottleneck; plus I have been restarting the Macbook a lot, so there are been a lot of activity anyway.
Has anyone else experienced a dramatic increase in temperature? I have enabled Trim, reset SMC and PRAM...but nothing else so far.
I'll start taking some measurements this week to monitor the situation - but it was clear last night that my machine was a lot hotter than usual.
Your thoughts and advice are very welcome,
Graham
I'd guess that you did a fresh install of OSX and the heat is from spotlight rebuilding its database.
Changing out the HD wouldnt make the computer run hotter. SSD's actually run slightly cooler...
Check your system processes in Activity Monitor and see what is using your processor to make it so hot.
Changing out the HD wouldnt make the computer run hotter. SSD's actually run slightly cooler...
Check your system processes in Activity Monitor and see what is using your processor to make it so hot.
Nope. I used Carbon Copy to clone my old HD. So in theory there is no indexing going on.
Well the HD is only used to store stuff not in use (until you start talking about virtual memory). Once an application loads it's stored in the RAM.
So when the computer starts the OS loads from the SSD to RAM. Then the computer starts and you're running off the RAM. When you open new apps and documents the computer takes the file from the SSD and puts it in the RAM.
If you're not opening new applications or documents, then you're running off RAM. Not the SSD.
You can also track HD disc usage in the Activity Monitor.