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The U.K. iPhone 4 Thread

ive signed up for notifications from Orange but received no email about these tariffs. havent got an email from o2 for days now...

someone PM me when voda release info because im getting tired of refreshing :)
 
0dev said:
What's wrong with making a profit? If you have something others want, and is in short demand in some places (e.g. an unlocked iPhone in America, or indeed an iPhone 4 anywhere at the moment), why not satisfy the market demand and make a little money?

It's those very same principles of supply and demand that every single business, including Apple, works under, after all.
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Hmm not really, if you were satisfying market demand you'd be manufacturing more of them - not just buying them at retail and marking them up. It's closer to the truth that you're limiting supply by hoarding more than you need, at least until you release them again by selling them.

By your argument perhaps Apple should be doing massive overpricing during the period of limited supply 'because they can' and some people would pay it etc. It's a free market and you or Apple are perfectly entitled to do so, but can you imagine the outcry if Apple did this? Because it'd be unfair and greedy. I don't see buying them up so you can sell them for some ridiculous price to be any less so.
 
daneoni said:
I may be slow but no where on there does it say you MUST top up per month to get data. My interpretation is ANYTIME you top up...you get those benefits
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Correct. I'm currently on this tariff on my Sony Ericsson Cybershot phone and you can top up whenever. However, if you don't top up before your anniversary date then you miss out on free texts and internet until you top up.
 
0dev said:
When you top up and O2 give you extra benefits, it lasts for a month, if you want said benefits again you have to top up again. That's how they've worked for years, and I don't see anything on that page to indicate that this is any different.
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StewieEatWorld said:
Correct. I'm currently on this tariff on my Sony Ericsson Cybershot phone and you can top up whenever. However, if you don't top up before your anniversary date then you miss out on free texts and internet until you top up.
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Ah seen.
 
Cloudane said:
(On people buying 2 phones so they can profit on the 2nd)



This is a poor excuse. The "way of the world" is written by its participants - every individual who makes a conscious decision.

It winds me up in much the same way as people who say "oh I'll vote for {bad guy} because it's not like {good guy} will win, and one person isn't going to make a difference". Sure one person can't change the world (extremely rarely anyway) but the way of the world or the balance of power is the sum of individual decisions (or votes). The fewer people who have this "everyone else is doing {bad thing} so it's ok if I do it too" attitude, the less likely it is to be "the way" in the first place!

Of course, we're all greedy from time to time, it's only natural. But excuses like that are pretty transparent. If you want to be greedy, that is your freedom to do so, but don't pretend it's anything other than *your* choice to hoard items in limited supply and screw anyone else who wants a chance etc.
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Nice speech (I'm being sincere) and what you say is completely true... I just want to explain that what I meant by way of the world is that there will always be people who will do that type of thing (buy two to sell one at a higher price)... It's a shame, but lets be honest... it's basically a normal business tactic... Businesses buy materials and build something out of it, and charge more to make a profit... (or buy something and sell it at a higher price, like a distributor, or use it in a service etc.) All these ppl are doing is selling the creating a scenario in which they can offer a service (offering the iPhone earlier than apple can by the time they restock/sell it in a market where it's not yet available) and they can therefore basically get there own iPhone cheaper than most ppl...

Anywho... basically I agree with you, haha
 
steve-p said:
If you keep your current contract going then you should still have unlimited data. Does it matter though? Do you get anywhere near the caps they are introducing? I don't, as most heavy usage is on WiFi anyway.
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Thanks Steve!

I've checked my bills on myo2 and it looks like I have only gone over the 500mb limit on one occasion, the majority being in the 300-450mb range. it was more a case of whether I wanted to get into another 18 month tariff as I know I'll be wanting the next new one in 12 months time. I cant comprehend the sums in my head, wether its worth paying out a lump sum now for a payg phone or paying the £100 early upgrade fee, a subsidised handset and getting into another contract in the hope there are early upgrade offers next year form o2.
 
Just ordered

Missed out on the 24 June delivery but decided to go for it anyway as my o2 contract ends beginning of July. I will probably stick with o2 on a Simplicity tariff.

Delivery estimate 5 July :rolleyes:
 
I think it's obivious to see that only the networks will get the white option for iPhones.

But anyways, I just got off the phone to o2 to find out their fair usage policy on pay monthly phones, and he said it's so high you prob won't hit it. But then I asked him about my plan of getting an iPhone offline and popping in my monthly sim (as a microsim) and he said they are planning to announce compatibility issues with doing this...

....I was like :confused:, and he said he doesn't know yet, but there will be "things missing" if you don't upgrade. That seems to go again what o2 said themselves in regards to ways of getting the iPhone

But we'll wait and see.

ps* When you get a microsim, are they obliged to change your tariff straight away, since they probably know no other phone uses a microsim. If it's so, I'll just cut mine
 
those leaked Vodafone tariffs must be WAY OFF reality having seen Orange's plans.

Orange's £35 p/m over 18 months has the handset at £229 for 16GB.

Whereas the leaked Vodafone plans had the same monthly cost and contract length but with the handset costing £149

There is no way in a fiercely competitive launch that Orange would overprice by £80 over Vodafone, surely?
 
Cloudane said:
Hmm not really, if you were satisfying market demand you'd be manufacturing more of them - not just buying them at retail and marking them up. It's closer to the truth that you're limiting supply by hoarding more than you need, at least until you release them again by selling them.

By your argument perhaps Apple should be doing massive overpricing during the period of limited supply 'because they can' and some people would pay it etc. Can you imagine the outcry? Because it'd be unfair and greedy. I don't see buying them up so you can sell them for some ridiculous price to be any less so.
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Shops buy the stock then mark the price up from the factory/wholesale price, do they not? So if you were to buy something from a shop and sell it in a market where this product is in limited supply but has a high demand, the rules of supply and demand (which are absolute) dictate that there will be a markup from the price at which you purchased it, simple as.

It's greedy and perhaps unfair for consumers, but no one's forcing you to buy marked up iPhones, are they? If you're in the US and want an unlocked iPhone, you may actually see the markup as worth it, and in that case a markup is also needed to cover extra costs.
 
Both myself and my wife are moderate data user and a light calls and practically non-existent text-user. O2 have lost us.

I absolutely must keep my data and O2 therefore want a carefully timed £10/mo, plus a lower allowance, whereas at the moment I top up maybe once every 6-8 weeks.

If £10/mo is the new lower limit - T-Mobile will go a Simplicity-style Solo contract (30 day) which gives 100 minutes, 100 text, 1GB/mo of data for just £10/mo.

T-Mobile's PAYG is competitive too, similar in pricing to most others but if you want data, it's £20/6 months @ 1GB/mo. Seems fair.

As for Orange? 250mb/mo is too little for almost everybody who actually uses a Smartphone. I haven't a clue what they've been drinking!
 
0dev said:
What's wrong with making a profit? If you have something others want, and is in short demand in some places (e.g. an unlocked iPhone in America, or indeed an iPhone 4 anywhere at the moment), why not satisfy the market demand and make a little money?

It's those very same principles of supply and demand that every single business, including Apple, works under, after all.
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There is a difference in making a profit and taking the chance away from someone else. It's called black market for a reason.
 
badbradderz said:
those leaked Vodafone tariffs must be WAY OFF reality having seen Orange's plans.

Orange's £35 p/m over 18 months has the handset at £229 for 16GB.

Whereas the leaked Vodafone plans had the same monthly cost and contract length but with the handset costing £149

There is no way in a fiercely competitive launch that Orange would overprice by £80 over Vodafone, surely?
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exactly what i'm thinking. the 32gb listed iphone on a 35pm 24 month contract was £40 cheaper with voda.

If that actually ends up being correct, then voda will get a sale :D
 
0dev said:
I had 12 months free on my 3GS too, but look at the iPhone 4 tariffs on O2's site, it says you need to top up every month for 500MB internet.

Look: http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html

Pay & Go tariffs

You may know this, but you don't need a monthly contract to get an iPhone. You can buy an iPhone on Pay & Go from our online shop. Or from any O2 shop, Apple Store or, The Carphone Warehouse from 24 June onwards.

If you're already on Pay & Go with O2 and buying the iPhone 4, you'll need to transfer your existing O2 number, balance and tariff onto the new micro sim. We'll tell you how to do this soon.

New to O2 and want to keep your number?
If you're new to O2, you can switch to O2 and keep your number. Just call your network and ask for a PAC code. Then give it to us when you buy your iPhone or tell us online when your iPhone arrives. It takes about two working days after that to move the number over. We'll give you a temporary number so you can start using your iPhone in the meantime. After that your old sim won't work, so make sure you've moved all your contacts and listened to your voicemails before you fill in the form.

Text and Web for iPhone
When you first get your new iPhone, it'll be on our Text & Web tariff. From 1 October 2010, Text & Web will include unlimited Wi-Fi. Excessive usage policy and terms apply, see o2.co.uk.

The more you top up, the more texts you'll get:

* Top up £10-£14. Get 300 texts and 500MB internet
* Top up £15-£29. Get 500 texts and 500MB internet
* Top up £30 or more. Get unlimited texts and 500MB internet

You can switch tariffs once a month, though. See the other tariffs
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Useful info. I bought the iPhone 3GS last June and benefit from the 12 month free web/wifi, which sadly ends this month... I'm on the Your Country PAYG tariff. The way I read the above is that the internet allowance only applies to the Text & Web tariff, which is disappointing.
 
brianjcameron said:
I have no interest in cutting down sims, and i imagine neither does the average user.

So how can Apple be selling "SIM FREE" phones, if the networks wont offer SIM ONLY plans.
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o2 do, i suspect most will. your logic is flawed, just because orange haven't announced it, how the hell is Apple at fault?
 
MikeWilson said:
Both myself and my wife are moderate data user and a light calls and practically non-existent text-user. O2 have lost us.

I absolutely must keep my data and O2 therefore want a carefully timed £10/mo, plus a lower allowance, whereas at the moment I top up maybe once every 6-8 weeks.

If £10/mo is the new lower limit - T-Mobile will go a Simplicity-style Solo contract (30 day) which gives 100 minutes, 100 text, 1GB/mo of data for just £10/mo.

T-Mobile's PAYG is competitive too, similar in pricing to most others but if you want data, it's £20/6 months @ 1GB/mo. Seems fair.

As for Orange? 250mb/mo is too little for almost everybody who actually uses a Smartphone. I haven't a clue what they've been drinking!
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Be careful about jumping ship because of data. I thought I was a heavy data user and then went to take a look at my data usage. The HEAVIEST data load I've every used is 389,000 KB (less than 380MB).

Companies can be rather deceptive and I think o2 are simply coming clean. Orange for instance place a cap of 750MB on their 'unlimited' data usage. In Orange's case, they count BOTH upload and download, whereas o2 do not count your upload. I'm pissed with o2 as well and I am tempted to jump ship to Vodafone. But I will not base the decision on data usage, it will be based on cost and signal quality (an area I'd knock o2 down for).
 
Correct

MrTan said:
Actually, if you want to do 24months on simplicity for iPhone is £15 per month.. - £120 cheaper
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I agree

I personally cannot see a better deal than this at this point in time:

O2 Simplicity 12 Months @ £15/mth

300 Minutes
Unlimited Texts
Unlimited Data
Unlimited Wifi
Visual Voicemail

Cost of Phone: £599 - 3% Quidco (on price exl vat) (hopefully) = £583.71

Total Cost of Ownership over 12 months = £763.71


  • For those looking at 24 or even 18 month contracts, a good portion of you will be in the same situation in June next year when the next phone is released and you are trying to get out of, or upgrade your contracts.
  • If O2 do retract the unlimited data in October you will have grounds to end your contract and look at another sim free deal with any provider you choose.
  • The only downside I can see is if people have issues with the coverage which is understandable. I wouldn't call O2 amazing but they are satisfactory enough in London.
  • The other downside is the initial outlay may not be affordable for everyone, but judging by the recent Orange Payg phone price, you will not save more than £20-30 off of the Sim Free Phone price, which in my opinion is not worth it.


Does anyone have any better ideas?
 
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