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The unofficial "I'm NOT waiting for arrandale!" thread...

fs454 said:
It's an illogical buy, through and through. Yeah, Windows sucks, but if you know what you're doing you don't exactly need to run heavy anti-virus crap and even when you do, an i7 620QM quad core and a new video card will still kick the living crap out of a C2D and 9400+9600GT setup, for less money.

I am 100% Apple, but what strikes me as odd is that in general the users go against all buying logic that makes any sense. What you're saying makes sense up to a point. Right now, there's a biiig generational gap, which would be fine if Apple wasn't charging the same price they were 8 months ago.


I'm not sure how it doesn't bother you to drop two and a half thousand dollars on something that will be updated within the month, and will be updated to significantly outperform your purchase for the same price. You are getting no value out of the buy. I'm curious what you not-waiting folks are using your computers for, where a speed and value increase does not matter.


It's illogical and foolish to buy right now.
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To put it simply, many of us, in-fact most of us do not need this significant upgrade in processor speed! The current model provides more than enough wack, even for top end software like logic pro which I can say runs smooth even on a 2GB RAM, 2.8Ghz core duo. Not only that, the new processor update may prove unstable and need perfecting, unlike the current. As for the money I benefit from student discount.
 
Druean said:
I disagree, apple's competitors have better hardware specs! However Windows lets all that go to waste with laggy anti-virus software, etc that destroys the performance. OSX is essentially the reason for buying a mac, and apple provides the best hardware to run it, simple. As for buying old tech for new prices, if you want apple and you want it now you have to pay, in my opinion its clearly worth it.
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This whole windows is virus infected is so old. If you dont download porn or illegal stuff, you dont have much to worry about, and you just have to download one program to scan once a month.

OSX is not worth twice the price as a laptop with windows with better specs.
 
PAC88 said:
I'm with you guys! Who likes progress and development, people must be crazy!? Please let this current technology remain stagnant for as long as possible
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For christ sake lol, everyone wants progress and development! However I feel what people called 'substantial' development really isn't (i.e. i5, i7)! I'll buy my next mbp years from now when I feel this 'substantial' difference has become apparent and when programs that need it are invented!!
 
Why are all of these threads UNofficial??? I'd feel much more comfortable posting my views in an official thread!
 
coast1ja said:
Why are all of these threads UNofficial??? I'd feel much more comfortable posting my views in an official thread!
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haha :cool: Well I just copied Mr I'm waiting for arrandale thread, you'll have to ask him.
 
Well I'm not waiting for Arrandale as I already have a C2Duo Macbook and the only upgrade I need is to an i7 with a proper 4 cores. Just about given up on Apple with my mouse hanging over the order button on the Sony F series, while I peruse hackint0sh.org to guess the chances of putting OS X on one. The iYawn wont fit in my pockets so stuff that too.
 
It's not just about processor speed, it's about stability for one thing. Nvidia chips does not have that.
 
You're missing the point. Yes, I'd be completely happy with a current gen 17" Macbook Pro.

That said, if I wait a week or two, I will not have wasted $200. As soon as the new generation is released, Apple will drop prices on the old generation new/refurb models by quite a bit.

And resale value? Also cut dramatically as soon as a new architecture comes out.

Your arguments about the new chipset/CPU potentially being buggy are pretty unfounded. The only big issue Apple has had so far was the initial switch to Intel processors and the original Macbook Air.

If this new chipset/CPU does have issues, its going to be a nightmare for Intel.

So, you're proposing that I should go out now and waste $200/25% cpu increase in exchange for having something two weeks earlier?

No thanks. Keep your holier-than-thou attitude to yourself. The people waiting for Arrandale aren't stupid, so don't try to make them out to be.
 
Druean said:
Alright well fill us in...
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blinking screens, (internal macbook screen and external from min display port) sata II over flow, graphics card's that over heat and become faulty etc. Not news. This is on going since 8600 and mcp79 is badly designed as a central chip.
 
whateverandever said:
You're missing the point. Yes, I'd be completely happy with a current gen 17" Macbook Pro.

That said, if I wait a week or two, I will not have wasted $200. As soon as the new generation is released, Apple will drop prices on the old generation new/refurb models by quite a bit.

And resale value? Also cut dramatically as soon as a new architecture comes out.

Your arguments about the new chipset/CPU potentially being buggy are pretty unfounded. The only big issue Apple has had so far was the initial switch to Intel processors and the original Macbook Air.

If this new chipset/CPU does have issues, its going to be a nightmare for Intel.

So, you're proposing that I should go out now and waste $200/25% cpu increase in exchange for having something two weeks earlier?

No thanks. Keep your holier-than-thou attitude to yourself. The people waiting for Arrandale aren't stupid, so don't try to make them out to be.
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If you knew the release date was in 2 weeks time your statement would have more backbone. And if your saying when the new processor does come out your going to opt for the then older version to save money fair enough. As for holier-than-thou attitude lol.. what are you a born again Christian?!
 
Frosties said:
blinking screens, (internal macbook screen and external from min display port) sata II over flow, graphics card's that over heat and become faulty etc. Not news. This is on going since 8600 and mcp79 is badly designed as a central chip.
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Thanks for the info, do you know of many mbp users who have suffered from this then?
 
Druean said:
If you knew the release date was in 2 weeks time your statement would have more backbone. And if your saying when the new processor does come out your going to opt for the then older version to save money fair enough. As for holier-than-thou attitude lol.. what are you a born again Christian?!
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Wow. That's a good one. Calling someone a Christian as if that were an insult. You are a man of brilliance. Someone give this man a medal for his brilliant retort.

You didn't address:
1.) Resale value
2.) Your baseless claims that this CPU/chipset will be buggy

I don't need to know that it will be out in two weeks to make my argument just as you don't know that it won't be out tomorrow.
 
whateverandever said:
Wow. That's a good one. Calling someone a Christian as if that were an insult. You are a man of brilliance. Someone give this man a medal for his brilliant retort.

You didn't address:
1.) Resale value
2.) Your baseless claims that this CPU/chipset will be buggy

I don't need to know that it will be out in two weeks to make my argument just as you don't know that it won't be out tomorrow.
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The buggy suggestion was not a claim, simply a possibility. My point is what will you be able to do differently on the upgrade and what difference will you notice, probably not a thing. Lets cut the religion out of it now, I couldn't care less if you were a christian or not. You felt like using the word holy, I felt like using the word Christian wayhay.
 
Druean said:
The buggy suggestion was not a claim, simply a possibility. My point is what will you be able to do differently on the upgrade and what difference will you notice, probably not a thing. Lets cut the religion out of it now, I couldn't care less if you were a christian or not. You felt like using the word holy, I felt like using the word Christian wayhay.
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Wow. You are certainly doing a nice job bashing everyone who doesn't share your opinion.
 
Druean said:
The buggy suggestion was not a claim, simply a possibility. My point is what will you be able to do differently on the upgrade and what difference will you notice, probably not a thing. Lets cut the religion out of it now, I couldn't care less if you were a christian or not. You felt like using the word holy, I felt like using the word Christian wayhay.
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Are you 12? Since when is "holy" only used in the context of Christianity?

So your entire argument is based on:
1.) The possibility of something bad happening
2.) That a current computer computes and a future computer computes.

Great. You're on the road to becoming the head of the debate team. With your logic, we should just buy a G4, since that's been around a long time and isn't buggy and it does the same thing as every CPU for the next 10 years will do.
 
Druean said:
Thanks for the info, do you know of many mbp users who have suffered from this then?
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There have been many discussions regarding these problems on this forum and on apple's own Macbook pro support forum. The information is just a search away.

My point was that the current Macbook Pro is not fault free and has it's own issues that crop up from time to time. Intel's new chip family has not been tested against apple hardware so saying it will have problems is not fact. To base a purchase decision on feelings is ok, everyone does it. I am sure you will be happy with the current hardware it's just not for me.
 
whateverandever said:
Are you 12? Since when is "holy" only used in the context of Christianity?

So your entire argument is based on:
1.) The possibility of something bad happening
2.) That a current computer computes and a future computer computes.

Great. You're on the road to becoming the head of the debate team. With your logic, we should just buy a G4, since that's been around a long time and isn't buggy and it does the same thing as every CPU for the next 10 years will do.
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I rather be 12 than have this argument =) so I am cheers
 
Frosties said:
There have been many discussions regarding these problems on this forum and on apple's own Macbook pro support forum. The information is just a search away.

My point was that the current Macbook Pro is not fault free and has it's own issues that crop up from time to time. Intel's new chip family has not been tested against apple hardware so saying it will have problems is not fact. To base a purchase decision on feelings is ok, everyone does it. I am sure you will be happy with the current hardware it's just not for me.
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Yeah fair point, well cheers for filling me in. Hope you end up with your desired hardware ;)
 
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