The flat sides feel wider than the rounded edges of the X and 11 series.Believe it or not, the X is the same width as the 14Pro, just a little shorter.
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There Is No iPhone 14 Mini: Here's Why [Updated]
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I concur with those that have posted that Apple really needed to make a 'mini pro', so that it was not a choice between 'pro' and 'mini'.
I have the 12 mini and I love the form factor. I have no desire for something bigger. What I would love though is the emergency satellite functionality in the 14. So now I am back to the choice between something big or continuing without emergency satellite service. Well, I have survived this long without satellite service... so phone size may have sunk any thoughts of upgrading. (The 14 has nothing else of value to me over the 12 mini)
I have the 12 mini and I love the form factor. I have no desire for something bigger. What I would love though is the emergency satellite functionality in the 14. So now I am back to the choice between something big or continuing without emergency satellite service. Well, I have survived this long without satellite service... so phone size may have sunk any thoughts of upgrading. (The 14 has nothing else of value to me over the 12 mini)
I still have my iPhone 7. I may upgrade to the SE or 13 mini (I want dual-SIM while keeping a physical SIM). I use my phone to make phone calls. I don't have a data plan, I use my iPad for that.
Nah. They’ll make it in the XR/11 form factor and keep the screen LCD to keep costs down.
I think the main issue with the mini was that it was just priced to expensive for those who were looking for a "budget" iPhone. The mini was basically for anybody who wanted the latest tech but in a smaller form. Unfortunately, there weren't many of us as the data shows (either you go for the cheapest and there's a decent price difference) or you just pay a bit more for better battery, screen, etc.
If it were at the SE price, then it would have been a much better sale... however Apple wouldn't put the latest technology at that price point as that would erode margins.
Best news we can hope for is that once this design has matured and overall costs have gone down, we may see it back as the new SE in 2-3 years time.
If it were at the SE price, then it would have been a much better sale... however Apple wouldn't put the latest technology at that price point as that would erode margins.
Best news we can hope for is that once this design has matured and overall costs have gone down, we may see it back as the new SE in 2-3 years time.
One day, when the SE design refresh happens, we will come back to this thread and see who was right.
IMO, an average Joe seeing the latest SE with the same display size as the latest iPhone 15 will think its pretty much a no brainer to get the SE instead. Which is why I think a 6.1 inch SE will never happen.
Time will tell..
Honestly it kinda feels like Apple didn't give the "mini" series a fair shot / set it up to fail.
The iPhone 12 mini, while really COOL, came out at a time when a lot of people had finally started voting with their wallet regarding smartphone battery life. I imagine the poor battery life put a lot of people off buying the phone and likely burned many who did. It honestly feels like when Apple decided to finally listen to those of who did want them to develop a new, small, flagship phone, they deluded themselves into thinking people wanted a smaller phone so bad they'd settle for a sub-par (compared to the rest of the lineup) product, and were then surprised no one bought...a sub par product.
The 13 mini is honestly what the 12 mini should have been from the start, rectifying its flaws and delivering an overall fantastic device. However, given that the 12 mini had been sub-par it had to combat the stigma from the 12 mini while also being, arguably, a bit overpriced in a market where people who weren't explicitly looking to pay a premium for a smaller size equate small with "budget."
While I'd personally love to see Apple continue to produce "flagship" minis I don't think its "viable" (in Tim Cook's mind, any other company would kill for the mini's sales figures.) I do think it would make a lot of sense to rework the mini into the SE's eventual redesign, either as the SE itself, or maybe as an SE mini. This would allow Apple to serve the "small phone" and "budget" audiences at the same time (while also aligning with the unfortunate market perception of smaller phones as "budget")
I also think one could posit an alternative theory as to why there's no iPhone 14 mini which is that the iPhone 14 just doesn't offer enough over the iPhone 13 to justify developing a "mini" version or that some of the key iPhone 14 features like a bigger camera sensor and satellite connectivity wouldn't physically fit in the mini chassis. If that were the case we could see an iPhone 15 mini once Apple has a new (full) process node (and a bunch of other tech) to play with. (I'm aware this is... unlikely but hey, one can dream right...)
Either way I'm personally really looking forward to picking up a 13 mini on sale this holiday season (or maybe next holiday season as my Xs is still more than fine and the 13 mini will be sticking around in the rotation this cycle,) got one for my partner last year and despite her initial reservations she loves it.
The iPhone 12 mini, while really COOL, came out at a time when a lot of people had finally started voting with their wallet regarding smartphone battery life. I imagine the poor battery life put a lot of people off buying the phone and likely burned many who did. It honestly feels like when Apple decided to finally listen to those of who did want them to develop a new, small, flagship phone, they deluded themselves into thinking people wanted a smaller phone so bad they'd settle for a sub-par (compared to the rest of the lineup) product, and were then surprised no one bought...a sub par product.
The 13 mini is honestly what the 12 mini should have been from the start, rectifying its flaws and delivering an overall fantastic device. However, given that the 12 mini had been sub-par it had to combat the stigma from the 12 mini while also being, arguably, a bit overpriced in a market where people who weren't explicitly looking to pay a premium for a smaller size equate small with "budget."
While I'd personally love to see Apple continue to produce "flagship" minis I don't think its "viable" (in Tim Cook's mind, any other company would kill for the mini's sales figures.) I do think it would make a lot of sense to rework the mini into the SE's eventual redesign, either as the SE itself, or maybe as an SE mini. This would allow Apple to serve the "small phone" and "budget" audiences at the same time (while also aligning with the unfortunate market perception of smaller phones as "budget")
I also think one could posit an alternative theory as to why there's no iPhone 14 mini which is that the iPhone 14 just doesn't offer enough over the iPhone 13 to justify developing a "mini" version or that some of the key iPhone 14 features like a bigger camera sensor and satellite connectivity wouldn't physically fit in the mini chassis. If that were the case we could see an iPhone 15 mini once Apple has a new (full) process node (and a bunch of other tech) to play with. (I'm aware this is... unlikely but hey, one can dream right...)
Either way I'm personally really looking forward to picking up a 13 mini on sale this holiday season (or maybe next holiday season as my Xs is still more than fine and the 13 mini will be sticking around in the rotation this cycle,) got one for my partner last year and despite her initial reservations she loves it.
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ive only had these phones since my first phone. ive never paid a penny for my phones out of pocket due to those profits. now I just buy in full from app
iPhone 4
iPhone SE
iPhone 13 mini
guess I will buy up a lot of 13 minis when they clear out one day. if I see them drop to 300 I will snag like 2 of them lol. gotta learn how to change battery myself I guess
iPhone 4
iPhone SE
iPhone 13 mini
guess I will buy up a lot of 13 minis when they clear out one day. if I see them drop to 300 I will snag like 2 of them lol. gotta learn how to change battery myself I guess
The only chance of me buying another iPhone…. it must be Mini sized anything bigger just won’t fit in any of my running shorts… I just don’t require anything larger in my life
That's because like most people (I guess even including me) your viewpoint is limited by the myopics of your own lifelong experiences. If you could for a second look outside your own box - which it's true most of us have difficulty doing - you would clearly see why some people not only would prefer, but actually need, a phone they can reach across corner to corner with one hand.
People disliking this comment need to realize that just because they want a Mini doesn't mean there's a viable market for it. Sorry, but facts are facts whether you like them or not.
Why should a smaller phone cost less?
Sure, there's going to be somewhat less raw material involved, and that's why the mini was a bit cheaper. But if it has the same camera, processor, and so on, the cost isn't going to be that different.
I think this is exactly why no one is making small phones. Even the people who want a smaller phone often expect it to cost less for some reason, and that's just not how it works.
I'm sure they've already considered all these sorts of options, and the numbers wouldn't work for them.
Exactly. They'd have to strip it down quite a bit to get it to that price point and then sales would take a hit because people wanted the same phone for cheaper, not an inferior one.
Apple never gave us the Mini that we wanted. We wanted the camera from the ProMax in a small form factor. That's it.
Feature parity with the larger phones.
We did NOT want another SE.
And, yes, the vast majority of us are willing to pay for it (I paid for my fiancee's ProMax after all).
They flubbed it.
Now, those of us that don't want an iPhad; something that actually slips easily into the front pocket of your pants, are going to be forced to get a large phone that we despise in a couple of years.
And, yes, for all of the "Go get an Android" crowd - this bird's for you!
Feature parity with the larger phones.
We did NOT want another SE.
And, yes, the vast majority of us are willing to pay for it (I paid for my fiancee's ProMax after all).
They flubbed it.
Now, those of us that don't want an iPhad; something that actually slips easily into the front pocket of your pants, are going to be forced to get a large phone that we despise in a couple of years.
And, yes, for all of the "Go get an Android" crowd - this bird's for you!
What an honor to have Shaq here posting with us.
People who want small phones are MORE discerning in the quality of their phone, not less. Making the mini with only two cameras doomed it from the start. I'm comfortable with less battery life. I can build my life around that.
I have no desire for Apple’s new lineup of enormous phones. The 8 plus was too big, the SE is too big. So I will be looking for Android if my 13 mini dies and there isn’t a similarly sized iPhone. Might even just forego the smart phone and use my Apple Watch as a stand-alone alone device.
I am a male with medium sized hands. To me, my former 12 Pro (6.1 inch) felt like a miniature toy after using my 13PM for a day. The 13PM felt perfectly normal, not huge, after using it for just a day. Interesting how some people adapt easier than others, even if we don't have large hands.
Then make the iPhone Mini with cheaper components. The Mini failed due to the price being so close to the iPhone 12 and 13. The reason people buy the Mini is due to the size. Do what you need to component-wise to get the price down. It clearly failed at $700 USD as a starting price.
Yes, the raw number it represents is large, but that raw number is very small in comparison to the raw number of total sales, thus why we use percentages (not raw numbers) to get the proper perspective.
I think they just totally misjudged the demand for a mini iPhone that starts at $700 USD.
Had it cost $500 at launch it would have been a different story. Make it less powerful to get your price point down. It's a niche market at this point to begin with.
All of this is contradictory. Do you want a full featured phone in a smaller package, or a budget phone made even more affordable because it's small?
But then you'd lose sales from people disappointed that they "dumbed down" the phone to get it to that price point. Many people out there want to have their cake and to eat it too.
A couple good reason to keep my 13 mini on only upgrade my 13 pro max. SIM card tray for when i travel to the African continent. Save some money by only upgrading one phone and putting the rest towards another solar battery backup. 13 mini has the same processor as the 14 anyway so its not that enticing.
