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There is NO reception issue. THE FACTS.

drjsway said:
1. Every phone with an internal antenna will experience signal loss when held.

2. Every phone is legally required to put their antenna on the bottom of the phone because of laws concerning radiation. Therefore, cupping the bottom of any phone IS NOT the right way to hold it, regardless of how natural it feels.

3. Does the iPhone 4 experience MORE signal loss than other phones when held in this manner? According to Anandtech, definitely more than the 3GS and Nexus One. But since there is no set standard on how much signal loss is acceptable and no laws regarding this, it is NOT an issue legally and therefore, Apple is not legally required to fix it (they can if they want to).

4. The phone DOES NOT drop calls regardless of how you hold it if you have a strong enough signal.

5. Does this make the iPhone 4 a poor phone for making calls? If you prefer to hold the phone this way, then yes. However, it is not defective, only poor and companies are legally allowed to release poor products. If you are unsatisfied, please return the phone and get another one.

7. But my store has a restocking fee! Then it is your mistake for buying it on launch day. Most people wouldn't think about buying anything else (phones, computers, TVs, cars, etc.) wouldn't first reading a few reviews but for Apple products, they get sucked in by the mania. That's nobody's fault but your own.
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While I shouldn't even give such baiting post such as yours, the life of day.....I can't let it go. Are you as ignorant as to say that there is no reception issue, and then back up facts that the iphone 4 drops reception more then any other phone? How is that NOT an issue?:rolleyes:

Yes we know they they are supposed to put the antenna on the bottom. Yes we know that every phone will have some attenuation. What we also realize, (except for you of course:rolleyes:) is that holding a phone naturally, and exactly the way they show you to hold in all their press shots, is that it is not supposed to cut ALL data. You think it is not an issue to have 5 bars of reception, hold the phone normally, and have all data cease to transfer? Are you kidding me? What are you smoking? Yea doesn't sound like an issue to me :rolleyes:

Then on top of all that, your going to blame people for pre-ordering the 4rth generation of a device, and say that it is our fault that they want to charge a restocking fee, for a poor product? :eek: I don't know what your intentions are with this post, but you've shown to lack any credibility/intelligence :rolleyes:
 
drjsway said:
1. Every phone with an internal antenna will experience signal loss when held.

2. Every phone is legally required to put their antenna on the bottom of the phone because of laws concerning radiation. Therefore, cupping the bottom of any phone IS NOT the right way to hold it, regardless of how natural it feels.

3. Does the iPhone 4 experience MORE signal loss than other phones when held in this manner? According to Anandtech, definitely more than the 3GS and Nexus One. But since there is no set standard on how much signal loss is acceptable and no laws regarding this, it is NOT an issue legally and therefore, Apple is not legally required to fix it (they can if they want to).

4. The phone DOES NOT drop calls regardless of how you hold it if you have a strong enough signal.

5. Does this make the iPhone 4 a poor phone for making calls? If you prefer to hold the phone this way, then yes. However, it is not defective, only poor and companies are legally allowed to release poor products. If you are dissatisfied, please return the phone and get another one.

6. But my store has a restocking fee! Then it is your mistake for buying it on launch day. Most people wouldn't think about buying anything else (phones, computers, TVs, cars, etc.) wouldn't first reading a few reviews but for Apple products, they get sucked in by the mania. That's nobody's fault but your own.
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It's you mistake for buying it on launch day. It's your own fault? What does this have to do with phone being defective? You are just saying that all of us are early adaptors and we are now paying the price.
You make absolutely no sense. The phone is having an issue because of it's design. So, it has nothing to do with us being early adaptors.
 
jamesryanbell said:
I've still had zero issue anywhere from College Station to Galveston TX. Look at the coverage maps too....there are some seriously weak points on that part of the grid.

Sucks for those that do though. :(
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If that route doesn’t have problems, there are no problems! :)

Edit: Can someone point me to a pic of the antennas that Jobs posted in his presentation. I have a question, which will require me photoshopping it to explain.
 
I'm so sick of this.

Look- just because you're not experiencing the same problems that a lot of other people are doesn't mean they're lying, being unreasonable or over-combative.

I can easily reproduce this problem simply by holding the phone just how I've always held every other phone I've ever owned when interacting with the buttons/screen. In my left hand, where the black band in the lower left corner of the phone rests on the "meat" of my palm. I'm in Los angeles and generally get great reception but can drop down to one bar on command.

I'm totally willing to live and work around the issue until I know how this whole thing is going to play out... If I need to get a bumper, so be it. It hasn't dropped a call for me yet, but I certainly believe that it if it were to make it all the way to "searching" mode like it does for some people... it probably does drop calls.

There's nothing "wrong" about the way I'm holding the phone.
 
drjsway said:
1. Every phone with an internal antenna will experience signal loss when held.

2. Every phone is legally required to put their antenna on the bottom of the phone because of laws concerning radiation. Therefore, cupping the bottom of any phone IS NOT the right way to hold it, regardless of how natural it feels.

3. Does the iPhone 4 experience MORE signal loss than other phones when held in this manner? According to Anandtech, definitely more than the 3GS and Nexus One. But since there is no set standard on how much signal loss is acceptable and no laws regarding this, it is NOT an issue legally and therefore, Apple is not legally required to fix it (they can if they want to).

4. The phone DOES NOT drop calls regardless of how you hold it if you have a strong enough signal.

5. Does this make the iPhone 4 a poor phone for making calls? If you prefer to hold the phone this way, then yes. However, it is not defective, only poor and companies are legally allowed to release poor products. If you are dissatisfied, please return the phone and get another one.

6. But my store has a restocking fee! Then it is your mistake for buying it on launch day. Most people wouldn't think about buying anything else (phones, computers, TVs, cars, etc.) wouldn't first reading a few reviews but for Apple products, they get sucked in by the mania. That's nobody's fault but your own.
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drjsway said:
1. Every phone with an internal antenna will experience signal loss when held.

2. Every phone is legally required to put their antenna on the bottom of the phone because of laws concerning radiation. Therefore, cupping the bottom of any phone IS NOT the right way to hold it, regardless of how natural it feels.

3. Does the iPhone 4 experience MORE signal loss than other phones when held in this manner? According to Anandtech, definitely more than the 3GS and Nexus One. But since there is no set standard on how much signal loss is acceptable and no laws regarding this, it is NOT an issue legally and therefore, Apple is not legally required to fix it (they can if they want to).

4. The phone DOES NOT drop calls regardless of how you hold it if you have a strong enough signal.

5. Does this make the iPhone 4 a poor phone for making calls? If you prefer to hold the phone this way, then yes. However, it is not defective, only poor and companies are legally allowed to release poor products. If you are dissatisfied, please return the phone and get another one.

6. But my store has a restocking fee! Then it is your mistake for buying it on launch day. Most people wouldn't think about buying anything else (phones, computers, TVs, cars, etc.) wouldn't first reading a few reviews but for Apple products, they get sucked in by the mania. That's nobody's fault but your own.
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State the law you are talking about in #2. None in the USA. I can't speak for other countries. ABC news radio talked about a law being implemented if even one big study showed a connection between ample radiation and cell phones.
 
Thanks for the repost!

No ... really!!

I didn't believe these "facts' before. But since you have described this so elegantly, NOW I believe that the iP4 is in fact perfect!! :D:D:D

Thanks again!!! :D

Ordering my Nexus One on Monday. :cool:
Cheers.
 
I'm so confused. Everything he's stating is so wrong, but it does say FACTS in all caps, so he must be right.
 
Bottom line is, if you feel it's a poor phone, use something else! I don't constantly bombard the the Adobe forums and ask them to fix the "issue" of flash constantly crashing. I just install click2flash.

This post is much more "higher quality" and more rational than 90% of people refusing to return a phone they believe is poor.
 
drjsway said:
5. Does this make the iPhone 4 a poor phone for making calls? If you prefer to hold the phone this way, then yes. However, it is not defective, only poor and companies are legally allowed to release poor products. If you are dissatisfied, please return the phone and get another one.

BTW, five bars doesn't make you have a strong enough signal. To simplify, let's say you measure signal strength from 0% to 100%. 4 bars might be 10-15% and 15-100% might be 5 bars.
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Uh, no. The dBm scale is logarithmic. 5 bars starts at about 0.01% if you measure signal strength from 0% to 100%. 4 bars is even less than 0.01%. So start with a signal at the bottom end of that range, and a 24 dB drop (that's over 200X) might take your signal below that what's needed for a connection.
 
drjsway said:
Bottom line is, if you feel it's a poor phone, use something else! I don't constantly bombard the the Adobe forums and ask them to fix the "issue" of flash constantly crashing. I just install click2flash.

This post is much more "higher quality" and more rational than 90% of people refusing to return a phone they believe is poor.
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Ohhh so these aren't facts but your opinions. But since you think you know better than everyone else - you said they were facts. You really just meant to say, "I can't stop myself from reading those other threads so I'm going to start a new one to complain about the complainers."

Higher quality post and more rational than 90 percent. Again - very wrong "fact" there.

"if you feel it's a poor phone, use something else." How about "If you don't like reading the threads about the reception, read something else"
 
I disagree that there are not any reception issues.

The issues are just not any different from any other cell phone in existence.

The iPhone 4 may work worse in some places and better in others, but because it is a different device, it is obviously not going to work exactly the same. Very few cell phones do work exactly the same in terms of reception.

Cell reception can be finicky and there are a lot of components to it.

I agree that there is not a problem in terms of the phones being broken or unusable. It is simply a case of the phone behaving differently.

If people find their phone does not work at all, they should exchange it for a replacement or get a refund.

There is no evidence there is any flaw or defect in the iPhone 4. It is just standard reception issues that exist on all cell phones with all cell phone carriers. People saying they can hold one phone next to another and make calls on one and not the other does not prove a flaw or defect ,it proves they have two different cell phones next to each other.
 
marksman said:
I disagree that there are not any reception issues.

The issues are just not any different from any other cell phone in existence.

The iPhone 4 may work worse in some places and better in others, but because it is a different device, it is obviously not going to work exactly the same. Very few cell phones do work exactly the same in terms of reception.

Cell reception can be finicky and there are a lot of components to it.

I agree that there is not a problem in terms of the phones being broken or unusable. It is simply a case of the phone behaving differently.

If people find their phone does not work at all, they should exchange it for a replacement or get a refund.

There is no evidence there is any flaw or defect in the iPhone 4. It is just standard reception issues that exist on all cell phones with all cell phone carriers. People saying they can hold one phone next to another and make calls on one and not the other does not prove a flaw or defect ,it proves they have two different cell phones next to each other.
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I won't disagree with you - to an extent anyway. But let me ask you this. Screen temperatures naturally vary in manufacturing. So is the yellow screen issue from a year back considered a flaw or defect or just normal variance.

What is acceptable and what is not I think is what's under scrutiny. And some people are finding their phones unacceptable within a certain range of operability.
 
Coukos34 said:
While I shouldn't even give such baiting post such as yours, the life of day.....I can't let it go. Are you as ignorant as to say that there is no reception issue, and then back up facts that the iphone 4 drops reception more then any other phone? How is that NOT an issue?:rolleyes:
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There's a distinction between something being poor and defective. The reception is poor when held that way, no one is denying that. It's not defective, therefore, not an issue legally.

I'm not saying it's anyone's fault for being an early adapter but if you end up disliking the product, suck it up, pay the restocking fee and just return it.
 
LAWL

I guess the fact that I can touch my iPhone 4 with one finger and it completely loses signal isn't an issue. Thanks for letting me know!
 
drjsway said:
There's a distinction between something being poor and defective. The reception is poor when held that way, no one is denying that. It's not defective, therefore, not an issue legally.

I'm not saying it's anyone's fault for being an early adapter but if you end up disliking the product, suck it up, pay the restocking fee and just return it.
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1) It's early adopter (fact)
2) you did say it was someone's fault for rushing in without doing research (fact)
and 3) Who determines where the line is between poor and defective? You?
 
so if there are no signal issues why is it on my iPhone 4 if I simply cover the gap in bottom left corner with just ONE finger and I loose all signal and end up with no service everytime I did that.... to you thats not a reception issue?
 
zoman504 said:
I'm so confused. Everything he's stating is so wrong, but it does say FACTS in all caps, so he must be right.
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It has to have CONFIRMED in the title, or anything it says is meaningless. :)

Okay, I found an antenna pic myself. Explain the red circled area, someone? That part is insulated as far as I can tell. So, how do the two antennas get bridged if you touch the left spot everyone talks about?

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I think the OPs main point is that just because the phone may get ****** reception, that doesn't mean it's defective. There is no evidence of no signal, just evidence of a diminished signal. Now what is the threshold for declaring a phone defective? If I buy an LCD monitor with dead pixels, it takes 6 dead pixels to be considered defective. There are plenty of companies in existence that sell piss poor products. Just because Apple may be one doesn't mean you're entitled to anything.
 
-aggie- said:
It has to have CONFIRMED in the title, or anything it says is meaningless. :)

Okay, I found an antenna pic myself. Explain the red circled area, someone? That part is insulated as far as I can tell. So, how do the two antennas get bridged if you touch the left spot everyone talks about?

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the gap on the right is for cosmetic reasons I have read

you bridge the left one via your hand being conductive
 
big0mar said:
I think the OPs main point is that just because the phone may get ****** reception, that doesn't mean it's defective. There is no evidence of no signal, just evidence of a diminished signal. Now what is the threshold for declaring a phone defective? If I buy an LCD monitor with dead pixels, it takes 6 dead pixels to be considered defective. There are plenty of companies in existence that sell piss poor products. Just because Apple may be one doesn't mean you're entitled to anything.
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Excuse me, you are wrong.
 
samcraig said:
Higher quality post and more rational than 90 percent. Again - very wrong "fact" there.
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If a rational person buys something and is not satisfied, they return it. They don't make videos, whine, hope there is a fix when the company denies the issue even existing, send emails to the CEO, and start lawsuits. THAT'S A FACT. It's like an insane asylum here.

Even Jobs said, "It's just a phone. Not worth it." I completely agree.
 
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