Sounds like a perfectly legit rumor to me!
Oh, do you blog about this stuff btw? It adds a lot of credibility if you have a Google account and post this stuff on your very own Blogger page. Just a suggestion to help get the word out.
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There will NOT be a 2012 iMac release
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Sounds like a perfectly legit rumor to me!
Oh, do you blog about this stuff btw? It adds a lot of credibility if you have a Google account and post this stuff on your very own Blogger page. Just a suggestion to help get the word out.
I work in the printing industry as a lead-hand pressman here in the Edmonton Alberta area. Now you can make what you want of what I am about to tell you.
This weekend I printed a huge job for iWorld and Westworld Computers who are strictly Apple Resellers. In the 6 page brochure that I printed was all iMac, Mac Pro. iPad, iPods and etc. Now these brochures were being distributed from Manitoba to British Columbia. Needless to say it was a huge run.
There was nothing new in this flyer in regards to updates on anything new. So either there is going to be minor updates and upgrades to Apple products or not. The only other thing I could think of is there are going to be major updates and upgrades, so they are trying to sell off all their old stock.
I can not see them printing this huge job for just advertisement. As I stated, I will leave it up to you to draw a conclusion.
This weekend I printed a huge job for iWorld and Westworld Computers who are strictly Apple Resellers. In the 6 page brochure that I printed was all iMac, Mac Pro. iPad, iPods and etc. Now these brochures were being distributed from Manitoba to British Columbia. Needless to say it was a huge run.
There was nothing new in this flyer in regards to updates on anything new. So either there is going to be minor updates and upgrades to Apple products or not. The only other thing I could think of is there are going to be major updates and upgrades, so they are trying to sell off all their old stock.
I can not see them printing this huge job for just advertisement. As I stated, I will leave it up to you to draw a conclusion.
I do not see anything strange in retailers doing large scale sales and distributing tons of flyers to promote them. I do not know about Canada personally but they certainly do this constantly in the USA.
When are these sales going to happen with the products you mentioned being advertised? That would be slightly more interesting information, particularly if the sales with no new products were planned for September or October.
When are these sales going to happen with the products you mentioned being advertised? That would be slightly more interesting information, particularly if the sales with no new products were planned for September or October.
I don't know if you're being humorous or sarcastic. But I tend to agree with your argument.
Apple just stop making a worthwhile desktop anymore.
- iMac : great spec and overall performer, but start to be updated slowly, and being an AIO, it's a disposable desktop.
- MacPro : excellent spec at its time, real desktop with awesome design and internal. The only "real" Macintosh in my book. Too bad, it's dying. Last update didn't make it any better.
- MacMini : Meeehh. Need I say more?
Now if we're comparing it with their Macbook line:
Macbook Pro : for a notebook, it's actually quite great. Not exactly competing against high end (but clunky) gaming notebook like AlienWare or ROG, still great nonetheless, and if you want a notebook which competes with it on overall spec and build quality, you'd ended paying similar price.
Macbook Air : It's
shining white knight. No ultrabook out there can touch this yet. Price point is surprisingly well against Windows, spec, usability, trackpad quality and smoothness. Not exactly worth every penny, but it's the best you can get out there for something so thin and light.They're being updated pretty quickly too, no space to left out with competition.
Well, you can see how far the difference between their desktop and notebook lines.
Apple products hardly ever go on sale in Canada, but there have been a ton of them lately.
These recent sales have more to do with the Canadian dollar increasing in value above the US dollar than clearing inventory for new products.
The recent "sales" on Apple products are really bringing the prices in line with what Americans are already paying, so they aren't really "sales" at all..
A little off-topic but...
People need to drop that Mac mini "meeh" attitude and notion that iMacs are disposable. Well maybe in your world but in mine both of these products are well beyond what you can buy from other brands.
Mac mini, especially 2011 model is very powerful for its size. People and companies are using them for HD editing and it handles well (see http://provideocoalition.com/index...._video_editing_a_field_report_from_guatemala/ ). The beaten-to-death argument that the computer gets hot... well it's a damn computer and if you'll be doing heavy editing and encoding EVERY computer will get hot, more or less, even 15" MacBook Pro, iMac, i7 PC. So what? If you do that for living you just live with that, the rest of you who edit family stuff on weekends should just drop it.
There's also Mac Pro (its current value aside) that doesn't get that hot because of its big chassis and cooling but to me it seems, majority of people here just like to brag and don't have really NEED for something that powerful, they just want to say they have big computer.
Disposable iMacs? My friend has had his iMac for 3 years, editing 1080P videos and batch processing large photos. He does that for living and he doesn't plan on buying new computer any soon. OMG unbelievable right? Is that disposable? To me, a lot of people just like to buy new stuff.
Just get Apple Care with iMac before your first year of warranty ends and you will have everything covered.
People need to drop that Mac mini "meeh" attitude and notion that iMacs are disposable. Well maybe in your world but in mine both of these products are well beyond what you can buy from other brands.
Mac mini, especially 2011 model is very powerful for its size. People and companies are using them for HD editing and it handles well (see http://provideocoalition.com/index...._video_editing_a_field_report_from_guatemala/ ). The beaten-to-death argument that the computer gets hot... well it's a damn computer and if you'll be doing heavy editing and encoding EVERY computer will get hot, more or less, even 15" MacBook Pro, iMac, i7 PC. So what? If you do that for living you just live with that, the rest of you who edit family stuff on weekends should just drop it.
There's also Mac Pro (its current value aside) that doesn't get that hot because of its big chassis and cooling but to me it seems, majority of people here just like to brag and don't have really NEED for something that powerful, they just want to say they have big computer.
Disposable iMacs? My friend has had his iMac for 3 years, editing 1080P videos and batch processing large photos. He does that for living and he doesn't plan on buying new computer any soon. OMG unbelievable right? Is that disposable? To me, a lot of people just like to buy new stuff.
Just get Apple Care with iMac before your first year of warranty ends and you will have everything covered.
Mac Mini is pretty much just as powerful as 13" MBP. It might be enough for some people. But for $700 or more, it has no display, keyboard, and mouse. It could end up pretty expensive if you ask me.
iMac, well like I said it is a great computer, but it's an AIO and pretty much disposable. Yes I didn't spell it wrong. You can keep it for 3 years, or 5 years if you please. But it couldn't catch up with the newest tech.
It doesn't have replaceable GPU, CPU, RAM, HDD, by which will give your machine a few more years to stay on the edge.
It doesn't have serviceability by which you can replace only the necessary parts easily and quickly.
Imagine if you have a failed WiFi card, HDD cables or webcam, do you have to bring the whole iMac? That's right, you have.
Another unnecessary down time for you, bad for business.
So no, it's not just people love to boast how fast or big their machines really are. It's the most sensible and economic decision, especially if you're talking about professional computers.
Assuming Haswell comes out in June, what makes you think apple will release a new iMac then? It's hardly how things have worked out with this years chips!
I was talking about Mac mini server, not base model. While you're right about downtime I think that he people who are in that group - the people who want to replace parts and upgrade the components otherwise their business suffers - usually they have the cash to spend on Mac Pro which does everything that you stated, even though its outdated now.
Yes I would love to see "middle" xMac solution but there isn't. I still think that both machines are very capable. If you don't like Apple solutions why the hell do you get a Mac in the first place? (BTW this is not an insult, I am toying with the idea of getting custom PC just for the replacability/repairability too).
So because summer is over they'll drag it out an entire year? What would be the point of this? Hardware became available a couple months ago, roughly the beginning of June. The official launch date on some cpus was 5/31, and launch doesn't always mean shipping in volume. To suggest that they'll skip an entire generation is kind of ridiculous. Even if it goes as late as October, they won't push both the mini and imac to a two year refresh, especially given that usb3 is a significant offering in those machines. The people buying minis as desktops aren't likely to fork out for thunderbolt peripherals at their current pricing.
PCs are actually much better in this regard as you can often get next day service on workstation grade computers. If you're building your own you factor the cost of overnight replacement parts into your building costs with the exception of cpus, which shouldn't go bad under normal circumstances. With Macs the mac pro is the most serviceable by far, but we all know how much attention that has gotten. Unfortunately I think Apple is going this route. It would really help to have some kind of reliable quick repair service. I was looking this up while writing the response and it appears they did create a replacement for procare. I will inquire next time I upgrade.
History doesn't agree with you. Haswell will most likely ship in the second half of 2013. The current imac has been out over a year. If haswell slips further, you're looking at it going past the two year mark. What could possibly give you the idea that this is likely? Sales aren't slipping on the imac. It gets more attention than any other desktop from Apple. You think they'll hold back the mini as well? Just shove them onto a two year refresh to save pennies? Assuming it's just the spec bump, such a refresh is very cheap. Beyond that the macbook pros got an early and late year refresh last year. I don't think they're ready to shift the desktops to two year refresh with the possible exception of the mac pro.
Good point! Why bother now?
I think people often don't take into account the fact that a refresh costs a lot of money for Apple and it needs to generate substantial additional revenue over what they already had been selling to cover these costs and turn a decent profit. How profitable would an ivy bridge iMac with a faster GPU and USB 3.0 be, between now and when Haswell is available which will make for a far more substantial upgrade to current tech than ivy bridge is? How many more units will those changes make versus the existing models? Keep in mind also that current models would have a higher profit margin than a new model release where development costs must be recovered and newer components may cost more, assuming Apple holds prices to current levels for at least some period of time initially.
When new systems are developed and delivered isn't just about new tech by any stretch. It's all about the money. Will the new tech make more money or not? That's the question who's answer drives decisions about what to develop, upgrade and release when.
For the typical iMac user I think USB 3.0 is overrated. Why? Because many of us simply use USB to plug in a backup drive for Time Machine which runs in the background where the speed of incremental backups is fast even with USB 2.0. Considering it runs in the background where most would tend to not even notice it working, who cares if it is slower? Sure, faster is nice but is it a huge deal for the average consumer of an iMac? I would argue no, it probably isn't. For the consumers that you'd find here, yeah I could see them wanting it because they have a thing about the latest and greatest whether they actually "need" it or not. How many users are manually copying large amounts of data over USB typically? What percent of the total iMac market has a pressing need to do this operation regularly? I would tend to think not enough for Apple to spend on a refresh over it because it won't generate that many more sales over existing product.
Again, not speaking of the people you'd find here but the typical consumer buying an iMac probably does not know a lot about Intel chipset technology or care about it. They want a new iMac because the old one broke down or maybe they are changing from PC and the current model is a nice machine that fits the bill for them. As far as they are concerned, the latest greatest Apple Macintosh is the one at the Apple Store or Best Buy or Amazon.com, etc. today. I think that is the bottom line Apple has to look at. Everything they do is based around how much money it will earn them, not whether or not they should always include every bit of the latest tech to come along as much as people here would like for them to do that. Doing a refresh on an annual basis may not always be the most cost effective thing for Apple to do, particularly when existing product continues to sell well.
There is also the issue of priorities. In the last reported quarter all Mac sales represented 14% of Apple's revenues while the iPhone was 46% and the iPads were 26%. Considering again where the most money to be made is, obviously the new iPhone launch and a 7" iPad are major priorities that would take precedence over lesser selling products. Keep in mind also that of that 14% Mac revenue share, a large portion comes from the portables making the size of the iMac portion of the pie and therefore its priority ranking even smaller. Don't get me wrong, all pieces of the pie are of course valuable and no doubt the desktop line is going to get its turn for upgrades too. However, I remain unconvinced that for the total iMac market's sales and profit performance the upgrade needs to come now with so much else going on that is worth so much more to the company.
A lot of people here can't bear the idea of buying "last year's tech" at this year's prices and in a way I don't blame you if you already have a good working solution in place for your needs. The thing is though, this year's tech as I mention above for most iMac users is really nothing to write home about. Next year's I'd argue will make for a much more compelling upgrade whereas this year's incremental upgrades are pretty mediocre performance-wise. The one exception there would be the GPU for gamers but while many iMac users might like to play games on their computers, they are not built to be or marketed as high end gaming systems even though the 2011 27" iMac with 6970m GPU is very competent with today's titles. If you fall into the gaming camp and have something decent to play with for now I could see waiting but then again if you are hardcore about gaming performance, you probably want a gaming rig in addition to whatever Mac you like. Personally, I am very satisfied with how well games play on my iMac but I don't demand ultra everything at native resolutions. I'm fine with some compromises for playable frame rates. I'm saying that with the future in mind btw more than the present. The games I'm playing now do run at high settings and native resolution. Importantly for me personally also is the fact that gaming is simply one thing I enjoy on my iMac. I do quite a lot with it besides just gaming. For a single system it provides me with all I need at a price I feel is worth it for this level of quality and elegance in hardware and software design.
Apple may decide to do an incremental refresh this Fall or Winter. Who knows? They also might not do that. For the reasons I cite above it would not surprise me to see them wait longer. Because of this I encourage people who need or really want a new iMac now to not wait but just take the plunge and start enjoying it today. That should not be confused with me asserting people who decide to wait are wrong. I do not think anyone waiting is wrong particularly. It's your life and your choice of course. I do think it is wrong to tell people they are stupid to buy now on the basis of rumors and speculation which may never come to pass.
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I actually agree. Very much doubt they'll be a new iMac this side of Christmas.
Saying that I know as much as the next person -I.e nothing!
Just a hunch but got to agree with the OP.
I hope this thread is resurrected on 31st December as it'll be funny
Saying that I know as much as the next person -I.e nothing!
Just a hunch but got to agree with the OP.
I hope this thread is resurrected on 31st December as it'll be funny
It sucks - really want to get an updated iMac - but the OP is right, at this point the odds really do favor no meaningful iMac update AT ALL for this calendar year.
If you could prove a rumor, it . . . er . . . wouldn't really . . . be . . . a rumor.
I said the same thing and got flamed for it haha.
By the time the iMac releases ivy bridge and the 680m will be one year old and people who won't buy the current one because they refuse to buy 1 year old tech will be waiting again lol. If that happened, I'd probably jump to PC haha
Say your switching over from PC to Mac. You had a 5 year old desktop with the monitor, speakers, mouse and keyboard. So all you do is buy a low spec Mac Mini for $599 and your all set. Mac Mini gets you into the apple ecosystem cheap, and it's a desktop with a tiny form.
Okay fine, but does he have ANY sort of indication of why he's making these statements. He has no source and is talking out of his ass. That doesn't qualify as a rumor.
Just to say,about Imac we don't have many rumors but a lot of silence,then everyone gives the meaning he prefers,we will know the truth just this Fall or Xmas.
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Apple doesn't care. They have full control over the people...LOL
When you're as powerful, influential & have the user base under your spell like Apple does, it just doesn't matter
Apple doesn't care. They have full control over the people...LOL
When you're as powerful, influential & have the user base under your spell like Apple does, it just doesn't matter
Even Microsoft didn't care and now look.
Can I please have my minute back from reading this thread? Why did I even click it... such a waste of time. Who cares... if you need a imac get one, if not then wait. We all should be volunteering our time helping those in need instead of predicting what's going to happen. Lets do something meaningful with our life. Rant over... sorry if I fed the troll. I obviously am not doing anything meaningful making this post.
But MS didn't create the cult like following that Jobs nurtured.
Like the Dead Heads, Apple has a massive group of followers far more dedicated than any others in history. One look at the sales volume, fat margins, and ascent to the worlds richest company proves the power of Apple influence. Being "Cool" has paid off handsomely for Apple.
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