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There's Still Another Prototype iPhone in the Wild

danielchow said:
it'd probably be many more years before the cost of labor becomes expensive in china; and china itself and other countries would have to shop around for another country that has cheap labor-perhaps africa(?).
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India, Thailand, Malaysia and Eastern Europe are all mass producing electronics at decent prices as we speak. South America could probably join in, they're already producing droves of cars. Africa has some issues with rampant illiteracy, corruption, civil wars and labor-prohibitive religions to sort out, and some of its countries don't even have proper government in place (Somalia).
 
ImNoSuperMan said:
whoa. And I thought the drama was finally over now that giz was going to return the prototype.
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How can it be over, this is Mac Rumors and this has been the most fun and conspiracy paranoia I have had the pleasure of been part of.

Keep it coming, who know maybe another a little bit different phone will be found, now that would give some jolt.
 
A rook moved across the board!

The best logic I have heard over this is that this whole "leaked 4G" is being done to overshadow the release of all the Android phones coming out this quarter. Market wise, spring is a big time for cell phone sales for whatever reason. I could be a "leak" that is intentional to give those thinking to drop iPhone and move over to Android consideration of what is next.

My prediction is that the "real" next generation phone is going to have elements of the "leaked" phone. That is, forward camera, noise cancellation microphone, camera flash, HD screen and micro card. However, the industrial design is going to be totally different from what was saw.

I believe the phone that was leaked could be what is called a "hardware feature" unit that is used by developers to get the code working. As that is happening, the turtleneck, ponytail and emo glasses crowd spins out gobs of different industrial design form factors to try to get the curves and tactile response just right. Then these hardware features are jammed into the final form factor, a turf war happens for how big of a battery fits in vs. "user experience' and it comes out to the pubilc.

FWIW, I think you will see a next generation iPhone that is very close to the current iPhone 3G / 3GS style with millimeter here and there give and take. The flash, forward camera, noise cancellation microphone and HD screen will be in it running iPhone OS 4.
 
Give it Baaaaaaack!

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FWW said:
Not to crap on the news post, but in my opinion these images are quite obviously not of an Apple product, prototype or not. As has been hinted at a number of times already, these are very likely just cheap Chinese knock-offs.

This thing is bulkier and uglier than the 3GS... Hell they are bulkier and uglier than the 1G.
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Well, we know from Gizmodo's tear-down that the original lost phone is an Apple product, not to mention the letter from Apple wanting it back.

It is certainly possible that this second phone is a knock-off, but then you have to ask how they managed to make it look almost exactly like the 4G prototype that, at that time, had not yet been revealed.
 
On a different note...

... Why is Gray Powell - the alleged iPhone 4th Gen Loser - a fan of the Gizmodo.pl page on facebook?

his profile

Fabian

edit: Actually, looks like it's a fake profile. sorry!
 
iDisk said:
Controlled Leak.

Apple is seeing how future and current iPhone users react to the design of the phone and the specifications of it.

This is really about the iPhone "design" and if we accept this new shift.

We already know the technical specifications of the device were going to be great after seeing the iPhone OS 4 event.

I personally like the photos that gizmodo took of the device and after looking at it enough (if that is the design) I think it's a winner. If this isn't the design, then expect a iPhone that looks like the 3G iPad.
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If it was a control release then I give two thumbs up for Apple it has taken us in one wild ride in just 24 hours. To bad whom ever had did not take pics of the OS before it was terminated. That would have been sheer pandemonium for the fanboys. :D
 
CFreymarc said:
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FWIW, I think you will see a next generation iPhone that is very close to the current iPhone 3G / 3GS style with millimeter here and there give and take. The flash, forward camera, noise cancellation microphone and HD screen will be in it running iPhone OS 4.
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I hope it doesn't look like the 3gs, that would be a step back for apple.
 
CFreymarc said:
The best logic I have heard over this is that this whole "leaked 4G" is being done to overshadow the release of all the Android phones coming out this quarter. Market wise, spring is a big time for cell phone sales for whatever reason. I could be a "leak" that is intentional to give those thinking to drop iPhone and move over to Android consideration of what is next.

My prediction is that the "real" next generation phone is going to have elements of the "leaked" phone. That is, forward camera, noise cancellation microphone, camera flash, HD screen and micro card. However, the industrial design is going to be totally different from what was saw.

I believe the phone that was leaked could be what is called a "hardware feature" unit that is used by developers to get the code working. As that is happening, the turtleneck, ponytail and emo glasses crowd spins out gobs of different industrial design form factors to try to get the curves and tactile response just right. Then these hardware features are jammed into the final form factor, a turf war happens for how big of a battery fits in vs. "user experience' and it comes out to the pubilc.

FWIW, I think you will see a next generation iPhone that is very close to the current iPhone 3G / 3GS style with millimeter here and there give and take. The flash, forward camera, noise cancellation microphone and HD screen will be in it running iPhone OS 4.
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I say it's the Steve Jobs economic stimulus package.

GIZMODO + Engadget get a plethora of clicks to their site, ad revenue skyrockets

Apple employee spends money at bar, always a plus

Lucky guy sells prototype iPhone to GIZMODO

GIZMODO gets even more clicks

Apple brandishes letter, requesting item back.

Apple loses no "true IP" and creates a LOT of buzz about product.


I know this for sure, the floors in a 20 mile radius w/in Cupertino will be cleaner than normal. Someone else may have lost a $5,000 bill.:)
 
FWW said:
Not to crap on the news post, but in my opinion these images are quite obviously not of an Apple product, prototype or not. As has been hinted at a number of times already, these are very likely just cheap Chinese knock-offs.

This thing is bulkier and uglier than the 3GS... Hell they are bulkier and uglier than the 1G.
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It's not bulkier at all, it's slightly thinner than the 3G is at its fattest point.
Apple wrote a letter and asked for it back, which would be an odd thing to do had it been a Chinese knock-off.

I hope someone is keeping a log of the most aggressively dismissive posts about the authenticity of this phone, for the mockery extravaganza that is set to begin in about 8 weeks... ;)
 
miketcool said:
60 years ago, some business exec said the exact thing about chinese manufacturing. It's shameful that so many Americans have become apologetic pessimists willing to argue their own defeat.

I am imagining them MADE IN AMERICA. I see new factories and plants that are more efficient then the 5-10 year old electronic facilities in China. I see a new generation of engineers and designers reinventing the assembly line here. I see smart inventory systems that recycled used material and all processes are housed on one campus. I see thousands of jobs created. I see a company like Apple, which has already gotten us to accept paying a premium, getting us to accept the quality made at their OWNED plants.

If Apple is truly the BMW of computers, then they can make their product at home. BMW created state of the art facilities that rival the manufacturing of all the automotive makers. I would like to see an American company with the guts to make this sort of investment and vision. I think Apple is in an EXCELLENT position to actually make this happen.

Next time you tell someone else to do or think something because you no longer believe; stop. Think different.
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Nowhere in there do you mention anything about production cost... It'd be through the roof!
 
OrangeSVTguy said:
There's still quite a bit of profit to be made even if going from the example of the iPad above.
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It's not going to be simply ten times as much in labor costs. All the components are built in Asia. You're going to have to ship materials around. Building the components in the CONUS is never going to happen, even if final assembly ever does. Which it won't, unless it becomes legal here to keep employees in a factory for 90% of their time, pay them much less than their labor is worth, and give them absolutely no benefits. Perhaps if the CNMI-style guest worker programs ever come to fruition, eh? But that's probably not 'American' enough for you.

Plus, there's going to be people complaining that it's just assembled in the US, not made of US parts. etc. Why bother? Because it's the 'right thing'? If the manufacture of electronics was done the 'right way' for 25 years, we'd be significantly behind where we are now, and spending more for it.
 
Aldaris said:
Aren't we up to 2 missing iPhones? With one accounted for?*****

1. The Asian manufacturer that lost one and committed suicide over it.
2. This drunk Apple employee...

So it does make seems that the evolution of the design would continue screws over screwless.

Anyway how about some Mac pro news arm?
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Sorry no one has left a Mac Pro in the wild and walked away.

But I do have a question for those that would answer it.

Has anyone ever left an iPhone like this person did, I have a habit since I have had the iphone to tap my pants to make sure its there every-time I get up. Now its second nature to feel for the iphone first every time I get up or move around, even at home if I am going out I will tap my left pocket to check without thinking. I always put it in my left pocket so my brain now is on autopilot for checking.

So if you wish to comment "how many have lost their iphone by leaving them, say the library or coffee shot? I ask because I still think how clumsy and absent minded the guy who left it was, considering the position he is in.
 
kiljoy616 said:
Sorry no one has left a Mac Pro in the wild and walked away.

But I do have a question for those that would answer it.

Has anyone ever left an iPhone like this person did, I have a habit since I have had the iphone to tap my pants to make sure its there every-time I get up. Now its second nature to feel for the iphone first every time I get up or move around, even at home if I am going out I will tap my left pocket to check without thinking. I always put it in my left pocket so my brain now is on autopilot for checking.

So if you wish to comment "how many have lost their iphone by leaving them, say the library or coffee shot? I ask because I still think how clumsy and absent minded the guy who left it was, considering the position he is in.
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I've been very close to leaving it in restaurants sometimes, saved at the last minute by someone in my company who points it out. It only happens in restaurants and I'm not sure why (I'm normally the opposite of forgetful/clumsy/disorganized), but I have a habit of placing it on the table with the screen facing downwards, and it's a white skinless one so it usually blends in with the table cloth to the point where there is no visual cue in my peripheral vision when I get up to leave.

However, I'd never forget it when I'm drunk, because then I keep tapping my pockets for phone/wallet/keys like crazy as a precaution against my alcohol-induced, increasingly deteriorating motor skills... ;-)
 
fabian9 said:
Nowhere in there do you mention anything about production cost... It'd be through the roof!
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Maybe and maybe not, American are willing to work for a lot less now a days. But even if you could get the cheap labor, your right production cost of the equipment could still be way over budge.

How about the obvious do we even as a country have the amount of places to build these buildings. Not including the political problems and my favorite Laws, Taxes.

I would love Made in America, but something happen on our way to a better life and production on the scale that Apple needs does not seem to be something they could get here.

Considering what happen to the car manufacturer :(, I am impressed they have survived, to me that has been very impressive.
 
Anuba said:
India, Thailand, Malaysia and Eastern Europe are all mass producing electronics at decent prices as we speak. South America could probably join in, they're already producing droves of cars. Africa has some issues with rampant illiteracy, corruption, civil wars and labor-prohibitive religions to sort out, and some of its countries don't even have proper government in place (Somalia).
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There are to many country with potential for Africa to even matter. Not including their Government problems there is also the lack of resources required to create technology. Water is a resource and a big one not only for food but also high tech. I can't see how Africa will ever be a viable place considering that as time goes its only going to get worse when it comes to the problems down there. Maybe a few countries could be viable but there are so many that already are, have Government support and have the lax environmental laws to get us what we want.

Forget that I grew up been told China was the buggy man, the evil Communist Dictatorship that wanted to rule the world, and look at it and us today. Oh dam did I just date my self? haha :rolleyes:
 
kiljoy616 said:
Sorry no one has left a Mac Pro in the wild and walked away.

But I do have a question for those that would answer it.

Has anyone ever left an iPhone like this person did, I have a habit since I have had the iphone to tap my pants to make sure its there every-time I get up. Now its second nature to feel for the iphone first every time I get up or move around, even at home if I am going out I will tap my left pocket to check without thinking. I always put it in my left pocket so my brain now is on autopilot for checking.

So if you wish to comment "how many have lost their iphone by leaving them, say the library or coffee shot? I ask because I still think how clumsy and absent minded the guy who left it was, considering the position he is in.
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I was at Lupe Tortilla with my fiance and we were out drinking because I had just been laid off and we were drinking it away lol... waiting for our food I pulled out my 3Gs and watched some funny videos with her... AHH the food has arrived so I put the phone on my lap... being drunk and happy to eat I totally forgot about my phone and as I stood up the phone must have dropped onto the ground... once I arrived home I realized the phone was missing so I immediately drove back to the restaurant... I looked where I was sitting and no phone, so I asked the employees. The busboy had found a phone and he specifically said iPhone and turned it into the hostess. The hostess that was there checked the cabinet and saw no phone, the other hostess had left for the night. The manager said there was nothing they could really do but ask the other girl when she arrived at work the next day. The outcome of the whole story was that, they said a phone was found but it was not an iPhone, yet the busboy said iPhone and someone clearly had to of found my iPhone. So I think the hostess that went home for the night decided that since she was about to leave that she could steal it and claim ignorance. I am out of a 3Gs and am using my old cracked 3G :\
 
kiljoy616 said:
There are to many country with potential for Africa to even matter. Not including their Government problems there is also the lack of resources required to create technology.
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Coltan. It's still going to be relevant, no matter how advanced Asia gets in terms of manufacturing.
 
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