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These Apple CarPlay Ultra Partners Now Say They Won't Support It
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Well there are Hermes faces.
I don’t know what you’re getting at though. Are you asking if I would want a Rolex face on an Apple Watch instead of an actual Rolex? I personally don’t care for Rolex and won’t buy one. But would a Rolex owner want a Rolex, sure, 100%. But I guess the analogy kind of breaks down, it’s more like if Rolex made a smartwatch and Apple made the OS for Rolex or it was a Rolex designed OS, would an owner care about if it was Rolex software or Apple software, probably not.
Isn’t the customized (by the manufacturer) software experience what CarPlay Ultra is all about? Aston Martin seems to have grasped that concept.
Mercedes-Benz had previously expressed reluctance to cede dashboard control to Apple. Now other premium brands are following suit, citing concerns about maintaining their own software experiences and revenue streams from in-car services.
I’m curious what revenue stream this refers to. I’ve never owned a Mercedes.
In my own experience with car manufacturer software updates they are few and far between and required an appointment with a dealer. That may have changed in more modern cars.
Automakers should be required to open-source or document their Controller Area Network (CAN bus) systems.
This is likely why manufacturers hesitate to allow Apple to access their undocumented CAN bus(es). Publicly available CAN bus information could enable third-party modifications, which would be fantastic for those of us who value control over our own devices!
This is likely why manufacturers hesitate to allow Apple to access their undocumented CAN bus(es). Publicly available CAN bus information could enable third-party modifications, which would be fantastic for those of us who value control over our own devices!
“while Porsche plans future support.”
Says who? Apple? MacRumors? That was exactly the same line 3 years ago when they announced the next gen of CarPlay.
Porsche haven’t waded in with a definitive statement of withdrawal, but in the context of this update this is effectively distancing themselves. As you noted, Audi have explicitly vetoed it, so that’s as good as Porsche and VW doing the same.
If the roles were reversed Apple wouldn't allow someone else's systems and UI onto their phones either...
“Require”?! Hahaha. That’s like “requiring” Apple to open source macOS and iOS.
Ah I see. One of those areas Apple really should open up in. An owner of a particular car is more likely to switch phones than an owner of a particular phone is to switch cars.
If the only way to accommodate both Android Auto and CarPlay is to go with their proprietary infotainment system then I fully understand why the manufactures would balk at CarPlay Ultra.
My point was Apple already has allowed 3rd party watch faces, I'd like to see add the ability to roll your own.
Not really. There are already laws about requiring vehicle manufacturers to allow 3rd party repairs, without it voiding any warranties, and true diagnostic data (which requires full canbus access) is a part of that.
And why would I want to rely on car manufacturers' horrid UI over Apple UI? Have you even seen their awful UI infotainment?
They can, but how would YOU know what speed you were doing? And what if it stopped other features like lights and indicators from working too? Everything in a new car now is computerised and run by software, lights, seats etc all have to be coded to the cars computer.
In the old days software only ran the infotainment, now it runs every single aspect of a car even opening the glove box in some!
I’m guessing you’ve not driven or demo’d one of the latest Android-based systems. They’re neither sluggish (quite the opposite) nor overpriced (bundled as standard in most cases).
yeah, that is it. at best we get some security updates - as long the built-in cell data plan lasts. if you ask me, I'd say this connected car BS is absolutely not in the best interest of the customer, but all for the manufacturer. unclear handling of personal data, questionable usage practices. somehow the auto industry managed to adopt the worst practices of modern software development: CI/CD (or whatever we want to call when one delivers half baked crap and promises to fix-it-in-prod ASAP). it was always a big lie and it's never gonna change. all hail time to market.
Even more than that, I'd love to see car manufacturers required to open their systems. Just like it's MY iPhone and I should be able to install whatever software I want on it, it's MY car and I should be able to install whatever software I want on it.
Vehicle AND device manufacturers should be banned from locking down systems.
this is very true. and this also applies to macOS. I would not directly tie this to CarPlay or the lack of updates, but rather the (IMO unjustified) need to churn out a new "release" every single calendar year. and rushing it regardless of the state and quality.
however in-car entertainment - because this is what CarPlay (incl. ultra) is mostly about, not the core systems that supervise the engine operation - and screen based user interface got worse and worse in all the cars I was using.
IMO CarPlay (and probably android auto too) was the McDonalds/Burger King of car entertainment: you could take your environment with you and know that a certain level of service you'll get doesn't matter where you use your CarPlay enabled phone.
and this is what I'd miss. the same way I use my computers and portable stuff. I'm not overly excited about the ability to use custom odometer graphics, but I was cursed with a physical knob-deficient car, where some controls are embedded into an awkward touch interface with questionable thoughts that went into UI/UX design. apple can do it better and I'd like to know how they can get it done, probably in a better way than the OEM did it.
and I don't really mind if they manage to make some use of the displays behind the wheel by bringing the info I need.
in addition to that I'd like to have a fluid integration with any navigation software I have on my phone, so route planning can take into consideration the battery capacity/condition, driving history, etc.
Steal and aluminum prices in USA have increased.Wait what?! Polestar was on board a few weeks ago. What happened?
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It’s the exact same thing with Apple not wanting to open up/give up the AppStore.
The simple answer is a fall back system that provide rudimentary information if such an event arises.
I’m not at all implying that car manufacturers UIs are good, just that they don't like the idea of turning their dashboards over to Apple. I have a 2024 Chevrolet Traverse whose entertainment system is running on Android and yes, the UI is horrid and had to be rebooted once so far.
or we can, you know, vote with our wallets and not buy cars unless they offer CarPlay Ultra.