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…not that vanity object they sell to the Saudi royal family (I assume because I can't imagine anyone else paying that much for that little).
I don’t know about that. It seems they’re a gobs of sports and entertainment celebrities, who are totally ignorant about technology, but are only interested in status And at the moment have more money than they know what to do with. Seems like an ideal domestic market.
 
I don’t know about that. It seems they’re a gobs of sports and entertainment celebrities, who are totally ignorant about technology, but are only interested in status And at the moment have more money than they know what to do with. Seems like an ideal domestic market.

Yes, those are exactly the sorts of people I imagine the Mac Pro appealing to.
 
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There's a lot of Apple RAM apologists here. The cost of increasing RAM to Apple is a few dollars. The benefit to the customers and the environment through longevity is surely worth a few less nipple tweeks for Apple executives.
I think you vastly underestimate the value of “nipple tweaks for executives” in the competitive business world. $200 [almost pure profit] upgrades is an addictive narcotic that profit driven executives will find a hard to give up
 
MacPro is the odd duck. Wonder how long it will take to become extinct. M chips and MacPro design are at odds
Yes, The only reason to buy a Mac Pro is if you are forced to use some rather niche PCI network cards like those Black Magic sells. If you don't need these specialized cards then the Mac Studio would be better. The "Pro" is a very niche product that will go away when Thunderbolt can replace PCI for those.

I keep predicting that for VERY high-performance computation, maybe training AI networks, Apple will have a system where you can connect multiple Mac Studios and use them as if they were a single computer. Apple is definitely building this for its own internal use. We can read this in the comments of some open-source software Apple released. It talks about porting "Slurm" to macOS (it is currently Linux-based. Porting Linux apps to Mac is usually easy as both macOS and Linux are basically UNIX)
 
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I'm eager to update. Almost bought the M3 Pro 14 with the sales going on, but held off as I realized the updates are imminent. The question is whether it is worth it?

My M1 Air got screen damage and is now a docked desktop. My daily driver laptop now is a Whiskey Lake Dell Latitude. The Beige Toyota Camry of laptops. But it'll do for now.

Windows has been out of the question. I'm setting up Windows environments for workers all day, and the intrusive, panopticon system of modern Windows is jaw-droppingly aggressive and ethically dubious.

I have doubts about jumping again into another Apple purchase, though. Are they slow-rolling more "AI" labeled telemetry? I sense they may be.

I've been running OpenSuse KDE on the Latitude for six months, and it's a very good Linux desktop. But I'm missing the ability to do some power-usage with the Mac when I'm on this laptop. After throwing myself into it for a while, Linux nowadays is extremely usable, if still incomplete. (Look forward to having Linux back in the passenger seat, not the driver's.) Otherwise, there are some very interesting options with PC hardware, so I'm really hoping to see the M4 MBPro blow the Intel and AMD mobile processors out of the water. Because if I buy a Mac, I want to feel I'm getting something specific for my money, not just having a fit of pique about Microsoft.
 
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I think you vastly underestimate the value of “nipple tweaks for executives” in the competitive business world. $200 [almost pure profit] upgrades is an addictive narcotic that profit driven executives will find a hard to give up
That almost pure profit will only be given up when they're convinced the practice is diminishing unit sales, sadly.
 
Do you remember when you were a kid, and Christmas Eve it was so exciting, you weren’t sure what was going to be downstairs? Well, it’s going to be Christmas Eve for a while.
 
Do you remember when you were a kid, and Christmas Eve it was so exciting, you weren’t sure what was going to be downstairs? Well, it’s going to be Christmas Eve for a while.
How do you work that out?

If we're focusing on the Mac Mini, a better analogy would be knowing you're going to be in a fight tomorrow... you know the outcome will kinda suck even if you win.
 
the current M2 Mini Pro can use up to 100W when going all out.
How much of that is the actual SOC and how much is for the USB/Thunderbolt ports? The 15" MacBook Air has a 70 W power brick and that runs the screen and recharges the battery.
 
Do you remember when you were a kid, and Christmas Eve it was so exciting, you weren’t sure what was going to be downstairs? Well, it’s going to be Christmas Eve for a while.
Well, going even further back, I barely remember automobile dealers covering the windows of the showroom windows with butcher paper to hide the new model year cars until the big national reveal.
 
How much of that is the actual SOC and how much is for the USB/Thunderbolt ports? The 15" MacBook Air has a 70 W power brick and that runs the screen and recharges the battery.
The support doc I linked seems to indicate that’s the max draw from the outlet for a Mac Mini M2 Pro, 32 GB RAM / 8 TB SSD. I’d assume that includes max power draw from the thunderbolt and USB ports but it is admittedly not clear.
 
I’d get a macbook air but they top out at 16gb. I tend to keep my stuff for 5-10 years - I don’t think 16gb isn’t going to go that long.
I had a 2014 512GB, 16GB MBP. 10 years later I have a 2020 512 GB, 16GB RAM MBA. It is faster and better in every single way and have no desire to upgrade.
 
Perhaps the Studio update is delayed so they can get Thunderbolt 5 in it, figuring the Mini doesn't need that? If they don't wish to update the Studio each year, perhaps waiting a bit longer to get the powerful new Thunderbolt standard in makes sense to them. It'll be interesting if an M4 Pro Mini is on par in performance with an M2 Ultra Studio for a few months.

I wish they'd make the Studio and Mini true desktop computers (the Mac Pro is extremely expensive and niche). I consider them 'headless' (display-less) and keyboard-less notebooks. Here's my reasoning from the longer term past:

Desktop Computer advantages over Notebooks:

1.) Larger, more powerful (and hotter, higher power consumption), higher performance processors.

2.) More RAM slots for DIY memory upgrades.

3.) More expansion (e.g.: PCI) slots for internal non-integrated graphics cards, HDDs, SSDs, etc...

None of those advantages apply to the Mini or Studio. The System-on-a-Chip approach prevents after-the-fact RAM expansion, and apparently non-integrated graphics have been written off (perhaps unless one goes the expensive and less efficient external GPU route? Not sure where that stands now). The performance benefit of desktop processors has largely disappeared. Larger systems may stay cooler and not throttle as much, but I doubt that impacts most users most of the time.

There's no sane (from a customer perspective) reason a Studio couldn't have a couple of spare SSD-compatible drive bays. Even one would be a game changer.

Perhaps shrinking the Mac Mini helps get rid of that extra space inside that begs the question of what consumers would like to see in there?

Question: if you had a choice between a Mac Mini the size of an Apple T.V. albeit a bit taller (let's even say it's got the same number of ports, though unlikely), or a Mac Mini in the current size with the addition of an internal drive bay (and you can make this DIY 3rd party internal SSD your boot drive easily), which would you pick?

I'm aware some people avoid Apple's price-gouging SSD upgrade pricing by getting an SSD and putting it in an external TB 3 enclosure (wonder why that's hundreds cheaper?). It often involves a performance hit, one more piece of clutter on the desktop, reliability issues and concerns about how hot some of them get (judging from the thread discussing these things) and would complicate management and backup (over having everything on one SSD).
 
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I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of the forthcoming Mac Mini. I may be in the market to pick one up. The last Mac Mini I had was the 2014 model which has been in service for the last 10 years running either macOS, or Debian. It was a great little machine.
 
When I first saw at a quick glance the render I thought "Studio!!" but no...
Think Apple wants the mini to be different from the studio so the mini get nurtured so the studio can grow. Looks like my next computer will be a studio. A mini the size of a ATV, it will be a joke.
 
Yes, The only reason to buy a Mac Pro is if you are forced to use some rather niche PCI network cards like those Black Magic sells. If you don't need these specialized cards then the Mac Studio would be better. The "Pro" is a very niche product that will go away when Thunderbolt can replace PCI for those.

I keep predicting that for VERY high-performance computation, maybe training AI networks, Apple will have a system where you can connect multiple Mac Studios and use them as if they were a single computer. Apple is definitely building this for its own internal use. We can read this in the comments of some open-source software Apple released. It talks about porting "Slurm" to macOS (it is currently Linux-based. Porting Linux apps to Mac is usually easy as both macOS and Linux are basically UNIX)
To do what you’re talking about neither thunderbolt nor 10GBe would be fast enough, you’d need proper NICs, infiniband cards, or etc with much higher speeds - you know, a niche network card. You’d probably also want to rack your mini-HPC cluster. Unless Apple is reintroducing the xserve the mac pro suits the use case you’re talking about waaaay better than studios, and for anyone working on that scale the cost difference is negligible.
 
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I feel they should go back to releasing Macs before the fall to create hype and boost sales - then they're in place well before Christmas. However, maybe they don't really care anymore as the Mac is one of the least revenue generating products they sell.
I think the reverse is true. Hype spreads pretty instantly these days. Particularly for pro machines, there are a lot of people with incentive to make a major business related purchase before the end of the year. Hype plus time crunch equals more spontaneous purchases. You also get some good discounts/clearance deals happening on the previous gen products as the retailer try to clear their inventory before then end of the year. In all, a lot of Mac sales happen.

I keep predicting that for VERY high-performance computation, maybe training AI networks, Apple will have a system where you can connect multiple Mac Studios and use them as if they were a single computer. Apple is definitely building this for its own internal use. We can read this in the comments of some open-source software Apple released. It talks about porting "Slurm" to macOS (it is currently Linux-based. Porting Linux apps to Mac is usually easy as both macOS and Linux are basically UNIX)
They've already built it for Machine Learning: https://ml-explore.github.io/mlx/build/html/index.html

Think Apple wants the mini to be different from the studio so the mini get nurtured so the studio can grow. Looks like my next computer will be a studio. A mini the size of a ATV, it will be a joke.

The current mini logic board is already almost small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. 2/3 of the current Mac Mini enclosure is wasted space. A Mac mini in a Apple TV sized enclosure, using an iMac style power brick extending the ethernet connection to the brick to save space would leave plenty of room for other ports.

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I was under the impression that those M1 MBA were NOS (New old Stock) as opposed to actual new builds. Does anyone actually know?

no, the M1 Air is still being sold new by Apple to the education vertical. I can still order them from Apple at work (a state university).
 
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How much of that is the actual SOC and how much is for the USB/Thunderbolt ports? The 15" MacBook Air has a 70 W power brick and that runs the screen and recharges the battery.
As far as I know, each USB-C has to give you 7.5W. This is mandatory. 15W is optional.
My OWC TB4 hub cannot give you the full power through the USB-PD port when all 3 USB-C ports are at 15W each. Even with its hefty power brick.
 
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I don't buy a new Mac until there is at least a 27" iMac for a fair price. Ridiculous that there are so many iMac 27" users still using 10+ year old computers because they need a larger screen in an all in one.

Timmy may have juiced the stock price but he has screwed those that made Apple.

The people that "made Apple" are people that bought and continue to buy Apple products. Apple's stock price is a reflection of selling products and services that people buy now and will most likely buy tomorrow. Nobody at Apple is losing sleep or money over a hypothetical customer not buying a hypothetical product that satisfies a market requirement that is no longer profitable.
 
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