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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

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OK, I couldn't be bothered to read through all the replies, so apologies if someone's already said this, but...

I HATE (yup) the design of the power adapters for the macbook. I don't know if it's just a UK thing,* but when you don't use the long mains cable, it is often impossible to plug the power adapter in. This occurs because the square of the power adapter hangs below the plug pins, and UK plugs are often positioned just above floors or tables. If anyone from the Apple design team had ever been to the UK (Sorry, what was that Mr. Ive; where did you say you were from?) they would realise their power adapter works in less than half of wall mounted sockets unless you want to carry around the big long mains lead... This is actually quite a common problem in the UK - only Nokia have the leads on their plugs going the right way.


I also hate white plastic, and the way I was coerced into buying a white macbook because being British, was too tight/grumpy to pay the black premium. Instead, I've covered my mac in lots of ugly stickers making me look like a student.

*this leads to another of the things I dislike about Apple: they are very un-international.
 
No double click to go full screen in quicktime. Drives me crazy and I wish someone would do a plugin that works in browsers.
 
I HATE (yup) the design of the power adapters for the macbook. I don't know if it's just a UK thing,* but when you don't use the long mains cable, it is often impossible to plug

I've only ever had an issue with UK plugs when plugging them through a converter into a foreign plug while on holiday.
 
I've only ever had an issue with UK plugs when plugging them through a converter into a foreign plug while on holiday.

Seeing as you live in Oxford, try plugging your macbook or mbp into the plug at the table seat (if you can find one after their awful redesign...) of the FGW train to London. At the moment I'm sitting in a not-so-good seat in the library because I couldn't plug my laptop on at the tables.
 
Seeing as you live in Oxford, try plugging your macbook or mbp into the plug at the table seat (if you can find one after their awful redesign...) of the FGW train to London.

Seeing as they designed it to be incompatible with the most popular MP3 players plug as well they are morons. Its like the Cross Country trains with those doors that shut too quickly. Unsurprisingly 5 years later most of them are damaged.
 
What I'm finding here is a small subset of people like you stuck in the Guy Kawasaki Windows-is-evil-incarnate era defending Apple's difference just for the sake of difference, and lots of claims of superiority without a logical argument to back it up.

Look who's calling stuck in a cave? Every Windows user-switcher like you, I am assuming, wants to come out of the cave but not willing to "Change" to another house. "Everything must be the same as my old Windows Registry laden cave or it's not perfect".

Firstly the majority of true Mac users have been switchers but it didn't take the prettiness of OS X or the prettiness of Apple's hardware or the ability to run Microsoft's OS to switch. I love the Mac OS system, do I think it's perfect? Nope. Do I think it should be Windows-like, absolutely not if that was the case then I am running the wrong system.
Do I think MS should get off their a$$ and get rid of the Registry and design their system to be more like the Mac OS? Yes, that's why I am running the Mac OS. Will MS do what I wish, well so far nope and it doesn't look like they will because they feel their system runs the right way and that's why Apple is not going to change for recent Windows switchers.

Why should people who are used to the Mac OS suddenly have to deal with major changes to accommodate the Windows whiners? That would force a lot of people into another learning curve.

Remember you have a choice and if you choose not to keep putting money into Bill Gates' pocketbook then stop whining. :p
 
Now picking out what annoys you about the system is one thing, to say it should do it LIKE WINDOWS presents the fact that x-user should be running Windows, flat out.

Why? Why do you think that's it's beyond any realm of possibility that there are some things that OSX does that Windows might do better and that Cupertino might actually find one or two things that Redmond do a little better.

On the whole, I would say OSX does more things better than Windows. However, I am not going to be so naive as to suggest that Windows does not do anything better than OSX. There are things that Windows does that ARE better than OSX. What you're saying is that that is impossible, and anyone who suggests it somehow doesn't 'deserve' OSX.

It's that sort of opinionated blinkered ignorance that nearly sent Apple under in the '90s, and continues to blight its user group and marketing strategy - essentially 'Do it our way, or **** off'. Ironically, rendering the concept of daring to think different, impossible.

Doug
 
What I'm finding here is a small subset of cave-people like you stuck in the Guy Kawasaki Windows-is-evil-incarnate era defending Apple's difference just for the sake of difference, and lots of claims of superiority without a logical argument to back it up. Remember all the "Mac is faster than peecee" arguments that dismissed SpecMark scores? (Oh I loved the irony when Apple quoted the very same SpecMark on the Intel switch vs G5). Just nebulous assertions that it's better because Apple does it that way. To me, that shows that the people making these arguments don't actually use other systems and thus have nothing upon which to base their comparisons and conclusions.

Wow, after reading all of that sounds like the joke is really on you. I would never and I repeat never spend money on something and bring it in my home and hate on it so much. I have bought a lot of things in my lifetime and have very minimal complaints about them, why? Because I am smart with my money and I research before I buy so I'll know what I am buying. It makes zero sense to spend money and complain, complain, complain about what you spent your money on.
After reading all your rants and know you spent money on what you basically can't stand all I can do is laugh. :D
 
Pop quiz -- give me some criticisms of OSX. Let's see if you can objectively look at your Mac and find something wrong with it, or will you prove my point.

I am really enjoying this argument mainly because I know who I am dealing with.:p
Also refrain from the name calling "fanboy", I haven't once called you any names and your attitude is some of the reasons (which have been mentioned by others) why Mac users hate what the Mac brings is people like you.

At any rate I will answer your request.

I have been on the Mac OS since OS 8.5 and I have owned my share of Windows machines so I know the plusses and minuses of each.

Things I don't like about the Mac OS:
I agree with many about the multi-function green button being retarded but for the same reasons. The Mac OS (before OS X) used to have a double icon for when you resize a window so you would know what all it does. The plus icon doesn't say much.

I would like customization but again not for the way others want it. The old Mac OS system allowed for many color changes in the UI, click sounds and other UI customizations however it doesn't really change productivity so I can live with it.

There are some inconsistencies. Although I love the fact that OS X keeps your apps open even if you close the window it's only suppose to do that on multi-windowed apps. Some of the apps that are not multi-windowed should quit and they don't, it's annoying.

The hide function is my favorite Mac OS feature because it allows retrains my same browser page and any functions I am working on while hiding the window. What bugs me is if I were to close the window (which is the essentially the same as hide) I will lose the content, don't know why Apple does that? I hate it.

Mail doesn't allow me to retain the color of my text for outgoing mail. I always like blue text when typing messages, every other mail app allows for this but I have to constantly change the color of outgoing text, I thought Leopard's Mail would have changed this but nope.

So far that's about it, if you noticed none of my gripes were referring to what Windows does better because I don't want my productivity to work under the Windows way.
Unlike many of you newer switchers I don't care to gripe about the UI such as the transparent menu bar, all that is stupid to complain about.

As far as the Dock? Of course you just said you hated it but why? What's wrong with it? It's just a place to launch your apps.
 
I can't stand how long it takes to open the Bookmarks menus in Safari. Yes I heard about workarounds. I think it's wrong to have to resort to workarounds for such a simple feature.
 
Waaah, somebody criticized my golden idol. Waaaaaah! Stop complaining and drink the Kool-aid!

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

First of all, in most of my points, I didn't say to "DO IT LIKE WINDOWS". Certainly not just for the sake of being like Windows.

Well you certainly did a good job of allowing that accusation to be made.

And you know what, sometimes Windows gets something right (like right-dragging for a context menu).

Right dragging?

And sometimes, every other frigging operating system on the planet does something one way and Apple does it some other way that is shown to break down when applied to a logical argument (e.g. using an app on the 2nd display and having to go to the 1st display for the app's menu).

How does that break down? Instead of every window having it's own Menu Bar to waste lots of screen space, the Menu Bar is always contained in one area. An argument can always be made in favor of the current system. The only alternative to the way it works now is a complete fundamental change of a long established functions of the Mac OS. Many people consider it a positive. You're the one thats crying over it... not us.

When you break it down, the dock is a train wreck of user interface design that makes Windows' confused Start Menu look well thought out by comparison.

Please, by all means, break it down for us.

What I'm finding here is a small subset of people like you stuck in the Guy Kawasaki Windows-is-evil-incarnate era defending Apple's difference just for the sake of difference, and lots of claims of superiority without a logical argument to back it up.

There is plenty of logical reasons behind most of what you're complaining about. You're just ignoring them.

Remember all the "Mac is faster than peecee" arguments that dismissed SpecMark scores? (Oh I loved the irony when Apple quoted the very same SpecMark on the Intel switch vs G5). Just nebulous assertions that it's better because Apple does it that way. To me, that shows that the people making these arguments don't actually use other systems and thus have nothing upon which to base their comparisons and conclusions.

Or some of us have experience working on hundreds of examples of both PCs and Macs, and can rightfully insist that one system allows us to get work done faster than the other, even in the PowerPC and 68k era.

Does that mean I can't ask for Apple to fix some of the retarded quriks in OSX? You get highly offended at the notion that Windows gets something right, and you assume that anything wrong with OSX is in fact not wrong because Apple chose to do it that way and therefore it is beyond reproach; you also assume it's switchers who want OSX to become more like Windows. I certainly don't -- but I do want it to adopt a good idea from Windows when it's there; I want it to become better than it is.

Well, from what I can see here, you people pretty much want maximize instead of a fit to content, a Start menu instead of the Dock, and every window to have it's own Menu Bar instead of one standard location for all Menu Bars. Golly if I didn't know any better I'd think you all were describing Windows.

I mean, look at your signature.
Using Mac OS X is like making a new friend.
Using Windows is like losing your best friend.


Nope, no fanboyism there, right? Stop for just a moment and think just how silly that kind of statement is, how emotionally invested you are in your choice. That's the problem with people who use a Mac as a lifestyle statement. And frankly it's a component of Apple that belongs in the past and even Steve Jobs doesn't embrace it anymore.

Stop for a moment and think of how silly you're entire argument is. I don't want a Start Menu, I don't want a maximize button, and I sure as hell don't want a Menu Bar in every window. I'm not drinking Kool-Aid, I actually prefer these things the way they are, not simply "because it's different" - you're right, that would be a silly reason to do anything.

Calling people a "fanboy" isn't exactly backing up the points you believe you have (which you really don't). Why not try arguing actual benefits of whatever change it is you are seeking, instead of just saying it's better, not explaining why, and dismissing everyone who thinks otherwise as a fanboy.

It's not an all-or-nothing propsition. I have three Macs in my home, but twice as many PCs. I work with XP, Linux, Vista, and OSX every day. My MBP is my primary machine. But I couldn't use it without Parallels. There is no "all or none" here. I bounce back and forth. I choose to spend most of my time in OSX + Parallels. I could easily go to any other OS; I could live with Linux if I had to. I'm flexible. But I'm certainly not going to say OSX is perfect and that there's nothing wrong with it. Nor will I say that for Windows, or Linux.

That's part of the problem here. You're obviously a geek, and so expect there to be 30 ways to do everything and every possible option to be available to you at all times. Most of us are not like that. You're attempting to apply your personal preferences to everybody as if you are some sort of standard. Rest assured, you aren't.

Pop quiz -- give me some criticisms of OSX. Let's see if you can objectively look at your Mac and find something wrong with it, or will you prove my point.

And finally, I know you're calling people "fanboys" because you think it is a tremendously offensive kick in the face, but it really isn't. I can't imagine anybody getting teary-eyed and depressed because some random jerk on the internet calls them that. All it does is highlight the fact that you can't make a sound case in your favor and must resort to name calling, and if anything, it reinforces their beliefs even more.
 
My two cents

-Stacks has great intentions, but it's annoying to use

-Quickbooks Pro for Mac is a retarded cousin compared to QB Pro for PC and the files aren't compatible

-Mail, Stickies and iCal STILL aren't integrated. WTF?
 
Not for all of us. ;)

I've noticed fairly consistent results. When I click on the '+' I get what I want: everything in the window displayed correctly.

That one is a bit unusual yes, but it does follow the same pattern of logic (going from less to more, to even more, just as tapping the '+' button twice in Safari will yield one shorter and one longer window respectively).


I don't use Numbers, so the only comment I have (in reference to the way it maximizes) is that the button is meant to follow in the same less>>more vein as before.


I think you're thinking too hard about it. Just let it "grow" on you. If you give it a chance, you'll come to realize how wonderful it can be sometimes.
I can't :) I stopped using it two months ago. I can't remember the its differing behavior for every single application.

And that's what I don't get. Apple is all about the "Just let it 'grow' on you. If you give it a chance, you'll come to realize how wonderful it can be sometimes" process. That's exactly what I had to do with iTunes and iPhoto: stop trying to manually manage the file system organization of my files and let the apps do it for me. And when I understood and accepted that, they became two very useful apps. But the Green Button doesn't have a flow. It requires deciphering its unique logic for every application you use.

And it's not merely less to more: in iTunes its Skin 1 to Skin 2. In Calc it toggles fundamental operating modes (Decimal, Hex, Binary). By that logic, in Numbers (think: Excel) it should switch to Page Layout mode, or perhaps Macro-editing. Instead it maximizes -- which is odd, because the Apple-is-not-Windows Crowd cries heresy when people ask that the Green Button maximize windows -- but that's Apple's latest model for it, in iWork!

The Green Button is here to stay. But I can't fathom what it does, nor can I comprehend the defense of it. If you can write a coherent description of its behavior of the buttons, I'll be impressed. I'll get you started :)

Red: Close window. Sometimes quits Application
Yellow: Minimize Window to Dock
Green: ??? (Undefined. Left for joyous discovery of user. Varies for each application. )
 
How would it go to waste? The only place for light to go should be out of the LCD. If light reflecting off the back goes to waste, then in theory we should be able to completely remove the lid and the LCD should be no dimmer. Somehow I doubt this is the case.

Also, I have to add, when you work in bright direct sunlight (say in a conference room with the sunlight shining in a window) then you get an Apple silhouette on your screen.

Hahaha! Put a piece of tape over the Apple, thick as you want. tell em if it makes a difference.
 
-Stacks has great intentions, but it's annoying to use

-Quickbooks Pro for Mac is a retarded cousin compared to QB Pro for PC and the files aren't compatible

-Mail, Stickies and iCal STILL aren't integrated. WTF?

First point is logical, but I have found a wonderful use for it as a power user that switches between 14 apps spread across two different stacks and another two for games and utilities. I used it in Tiger, now Stacks just makes it look nice.

Quickbooks is garbage anyway, for both PCs and Macs, but it certainly isn't Apple's fault IMHO. Mail, iCal, and address book should be integrated, I agree. Stickies is about as useless as it was back in the early days of OS 9, so I just use it for simple little lists and not reminders. The stickies widget is far more powerful in my opinion but of course there are so many features missing in the widget that the app has that it's unusable. Still looking for a GOOD stickies widget.

As for the user that complains about the taskbar not being on the second monitor when you move an app over to it, your using the dual screen options incorrectly, and you need to learn shortcuts. Windows can't get multi-windowed apps correct at all, like Photoshop, Avid, Adobe Premier Pro and others, and Mac OS X does a far better job of keeping what I need right where it's supposed to be, in the taskbar at the top of my main screen.

Red: Close window. Sometimes quits Application
Yellow: Minimize Window to Dock
Green: ??? (Undefined. Left for joyous discovery of user. Varies for each application. )

I am glad that it's the little things that get on peoples nerves. I couldn't imagine what a lot of Windows users that switch go through. I would use Vista in a heart beat if my Apps actually worked on it. XP was as best as it got by you had to weed through a lot of system garbage in the file management to find whatever it was that you were looking for.

I never had too many problems with virii on my old PC systems but if the computer was shutdown improperly, or there was a power failure, you could kiss the OS goodbye. Windows and self diagnostics..... HA... Good luck unless you are IT.
 
Why cut?

...Oh, and the ability to CUT in the finder as well. REALLY annoying not having that option...

I mean, when you can drag the file to any folder or subfolder in your mac by holding (without letting go) the dragged file for about 2 seconds over any folder. And if you want to copy, instead of cutting, just hold option while you drag.
 
White plastic, it's just a personal thing.
The maximise button, I know a lot of people defend it, how about being able to customise it, or adding a fourth?
Right click.
The mighty mouse, it just feels.. Strange when you're clicking with it.
 
White plastic, it's just a personal thing.

Right click.
The mighty mouse, it just feels.. Strange when you're clicking with it.

While I understand what you mean, you really have to let your issues about the Mighty Mouse go. It's really not a "Mac Feature", it's just the mouse that comes with the system. Thousands of PC's come with the cheesiest mice and that's because they are cheap and easy to replace which is what most people end up doing so just replace the Mighty Mouse with a mouse that has two physical buttons and move on, it's not a huge deal.

Red: Close window. Sometimes quits Application
Yellow: Minimize Window to Dock
Green: ??? (Undefined. Left for joyous discovery of user. Varies for each application. )

Aside from the green button the red and yellow work properly. The Yellow minimizes which most people don't have to do on Macs thanks to Hide.

The Red button closes most apps and not others because the Mac OS is a document based multi-tasking system.
Multi-windowed apps are to stay open even after you hit the close button because they can still fully function such as iTunes. That's one of the things I love that Windows cannot do. It sucks to have to minimize iTunes on Windows but I can hide it on the Mac.
Other apps close because they cannot perform any functions without the window open so they just quit.

Windows does this is retarded way, it just quits any app and it's quite annoying. You either have minimize it and fill up the task bar or the app has to quit in order to take it off the screen.
 
Forgive me if this has been posted already, but I didn't feel like reading 14 pages to know if it was. What I dislike most about Leopard, not any of the earlier versions of OS X, is how the apple in the top left is now gray, but the buttons in the top left of the windows are still red, yellow, and green by default. It just doesn't seem to flow. It worked before because it was Aqua or whatever and the apple was blue. (I'm not too learned on that or what it is.) I like the look of the apple better, but I had to go change the Appearance from blue to graphite. Much better now. Anyway, that is what I am most unpleased with.
 
Forgive me if this has been posted already, but I didn't feel like reading 14 pages to know if it was. What I dislike most about Leopard, not any of the earlier versions of OS X, is how the apple in the top left is now gray, but the buttons in the top left of the windows are still red, yellow, and green by default. It just doesn't seem to flow. It worked before because it was Aqua or whatever and the apple was blue. (I'm not too learned on that or what it is.) I like the look of the apple better, but I had to go change the Appearance from blue to graphite. Much better now. Anyway, that is what I am most unpleased with.

As i said, very small issues. I agree with you on that one but I was always a graphite fan myself though. Glad you found a solution.
 
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