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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

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i hate not being able to cut and paste :mad: WHY CANT WE HAVE CUT & PASTE?!?!
dragging and dropping is not the same thing

also the shutdown problem when closing the screen on leopard has been semi resolved i think, after the menu bar disappears and your left with just the wallpaper you can close the screen and it will shutdown, but not having to wait for the menubar would be a great thing :p
 
I can't imagine who enjoys the way Finder treats the icon view. I mean, I have to refresh the grid EVERYTIME I resize a window, that REALLY sucks. If I make the window smaller, I get annoying horizontal scrollbars and if I make it bigger, I get unnecessary blank space. WHAT IS THE POINT?
I would really like to see Apple correcting this in 10.6.

Hmm, works fine for me. I'm using an iMac ALU. I open the Finder to pictures or documents as I have a a lot of stuff in these folders. In icon view I resize the window and the icons automatically refresh to accommodate the new Finder window adjustment. I don't have to move the icons.
Although I love coverflow view the most the new icon view rocks because now I can see the icon previews whereas in Tiger it only applied to jpegs.

i hate not being able to cut and paste :mad: WHY CANT WE HAVE CUT & PASTE?!?!

Answer, because it's not Windows. Before you get all huffy and rebuttal, I'm only answering your question, I'm not saying Apple shouldn't do it. In order to use a Mac you need to get rid of your Windows centric thinking or you may as well be using Microsoft's system and not Apple's.

On a side note, is it so difficult or are we all so lazy that we can do Copy and Paste and delete the item?
 
I'm not talking about the transparencies as much as I'm talking about closing and opening windows, etc. If I'm on a computer with 2GB RAM and a decent speed, I want all the power going to the intensive programs I'm using, not to a cool effect when the window minimizes. If I can turn this off, do let me know how.

I didn't contradict myself. The eye candy does draw PC users to Macs, heck, it drew me (with a host of other things). But after a while, I really wish the window would just appear or disappear, or minimize without having to look cool. I was in the Apple store looking at the new iMacs, and the minimization was set to a second or so...when I minimized a program it looked choppy and lagged. Obviously setting could be changed, but I do wish they could be completely turned off.

The eye candy doesn't take up that much processor/RAM usage anyway. I would like to turn certain things off, but sometimes what we want to turn off, is really just rewriting the OS itself. If you want to just "minimize" a window you can just hide the App and it won't take that <1% system usage that you may need. If it's just a window in a series of App windows then keeping the window open is drawing more resources than the little effect when minimizing it does.

I like the fact that Mac OS X has a "Hide" option. I agree that Finder does need cut and paste, but Windows needs this Hide features a little bit more IMHO.

How would you configure that mystical "Mac Mac" so that its better specced than iMac and worse than a Mac Pro? Seriously. There's nothing to put between these two machines.

If you just want an iMac without a display, then heh, Apple was offering that single CPU G5 and G4 before that. Its cost exactly like the iMac, yet no one bought them. Everybody was whining about that it was "the same power as the iMac, but with no display..." And they got discontinued. Now you have that single-CPU tower available yet again and you dont like it again.

Xeon processors seem to be updated really rarely, compared to laptop/desktop class intel CPUs, so Mac Pros aren't updated in quite some time, while within a couple of generations we will get quad-core iMacs and MBPs.

The current line-up makes sense to me:

Bottom-range - Mac mini 2 Cores
Mid-range - iMac faster 2 cores + a real GPU and desktop HD
Lower-top range - Mac Pro even faster 4 cores + your desired expandability
Top-range - Mac Pro 8 Cores + your desired expandability.

The release of a single-CPU Mac Pro Apple has clearly shown us that there will be no "mid-range tower". This Mac Pro configuration is your mid-range tower.

And you are surely correct. For a little background... I used to be a proponent of the Mac Mini Tower myself, but after I realized that Apple won't do it, like they won't do the 20" laptop or the Mac Touch Book, I got over it fast. Their profits would increase if they did do all of those, but probably not by much.

In the days of the single core G5 and the iMac with the same speed, the tower was left behind as lacking, and a mistake on Apple's part IMHO. They should have made all the G5s dual core at the time, which they did do in the next upgrade. NO one bought the single chip 1.6GHz.

Now, I think it's a matter of people finding their own personal reasons for not wanting a Mac Pro. I would love to have a smaller, expandable tower with no server parts, but Apple doesn't make one, so I am getting the MacPro for sure, but I am not going to complain about the price. Right now, if you are dying for a mini tower, either suck up the costs of the Mac Pro, learn to live with the closed in iMac, or spring for a late 2006 G5 (the best one) of some kind and run all UB software. To me the best option is to move forward and grab an Intel tower... the Mac Pro will last you forever if you are wanting a machine that will do less.

I can't imagine who enjoys the way Finder treats the icon view. I mean, I have to refresh the grid EVERYTIME I resize a window, that REALLY sucks. If I make the window smaller, I get annoying horizontal scrollbars and if I make it bigger, I get unnecessary blank space. WHAT IS THE POINT?
I would really like to see Apple correcting this in 10.6.

Icon view is flawless on the Mac.... just like in Windows. They did get it right in Leopard, so that we can get previews for all items, and not just jpg files. If you set your window to keep items arranged by name, or date, etc. you won't have to refresh it.

Chalk this one up to user error.
 
All these people are complaining about issues that they would never think of if it weren't in windows. I just switched from windows and I never thought about going back or wish I had a feature (other than program capability) that windows has. Mac is so much cleaner and friendlier.
 
All these people are complaining about issues that they would never think of if it weren't in windows. I just switched from windows and I never thought about going back or wish I had a feature (other than program capability) that windows has. Mac is so much cleaner and friendlier.

Exactly. Most of the issues stem from thinking like Windows... even mine. And program compatibility isn't even a Mac/Apple thing, it's a developer thing, and if you don't need that certain app, is a moot point.
 
The thing I hate most about mac os x is the mouse acceleration curve, I just can't get used to it. I've tried usboverdrive, mousefix etc, nothing works.
People said "you'll get used to it" but after 2 years I still hate it, I much prefer the acceleration curve in Linux or Windows.

Lesser annoyances:
-finding pictures in finder (for example to select your avatar in adium)
-higher prices for the same software (especially games)
-slow startup time for firefox (probably not OSX fault)
-The mac startup sound, especially in public places
-Lack of easy fullscreen... but this has been mentioned enough by now I think :cool:
 
I think we'll stop discussing it when you get over your semantics problem there. Oh no, I called it the maximize button. Sheesh.
This is not a semantics problem.

A semantics problem would be if you were bandying about two different words that essentially referred to the same thing.

In this case, you referred to the green button as a "maximise button," when it isn't at all. It's function is not to maximise the window at all, so you were just wrong to call it that.
 
All these people are complaining about issues that they would never think of if it weren't in windows.

Totally agreed! I know the thread is what we hate about Macs but that's what I hate about recent Switchers, all these little extras they want OS X to do wouldn't be a twinkle in their eye if they had not ever used Windows.
I'm all for improving the system but with only new options.
 
I would like more than Blue and Graphite. Come on, it can't be that hard to give us a least a couple more choices (I don't even want full theme support) ....
This is a pet peve of mine also.

If you don't like the bright blue highlights on menus, you're only option is to switch to "graphite" but that (inexplicably) turns the colours on the "traffic light" buttons off completely which basically destroys their function. It's like Apple thinks you should either use everything the way they designed it, or switch to "grey for everything."

The argument has always been that Apple doesn't want people to ruin the OS-X design with ugly themes, colour choices and wacky desktops and so on. But how much weight does this have any more when you consider the tacky purple desktop and transparent menus of Leopard?

I still think the browsers need polishing. They still aren't as fast as they can be on windows. IE and even firefox all fly in windows (even in virtualization) but in OSX everything takes an extra millisecond/second or two...just a tad laggy. ...
This is the exact opposite of my experience (speed-wise).

There are a few crappy things about Safari though (that would be easily fixed!), that drive me up the wall. No one has mentioned them so far, so I will.

1) There is no way to get rid of the Google search area on the browser. That's just rude and stupid.

2) There is no way to tell it *not* to automatically resize contents. If a picture is too big it shrinks it down to fit in the window.

3) Not many settings in general. It's a very complex program at this stage but the preferences area is so minimal they have really started to leave out some very basic things. Steve Jobs needs to realise that some things are just inherently complex and can't be as minimal as he'd like them to be. ;)

Finally, and worst of all ...

How long do we have to wait for the spell-checker to use the F*cking system dictionary? As an English speaking person should I not be able to spell check in English? (i.e. - not American).
 
How long do we have to wait for the spell-checker to use the F*cking system dictionary? As an English speaking person should I not be able to spell check in English? (i.e. - not American).

After changing to British English in the International preference pane, its done that ever since...
 
This is a pet peve of mine also.

If you don't like the bright blue highlights on menus, you're only option is to switch to "graphite" but that (inexplicably) turns the colours on the "traffic light" buttons off completely which basically destroys their function. It's like Apple thinks you should either use everything the way they designed it, or switch to "grey for everything."

The argument has always been that Apple doesn't want people to ruin the OS-X design with ugly themes, colour choices and wacky desktops and so on. But how much weight does this have any more when you consider the tacky purple desktop and transparent menus of Leopard?

I had that problem with Windows myself. I found 3rd party programs that solved it for me however. I had that problem when I got bored with Tiger's look and tried the 3rd party stuff to change it which worked, but I started having stability issues so I deleted them and got over how the colors on the system looked.

How long do we have to wait for the spell-checker to use the F*cking system dictionary? As an English speaking person should I not be able to spell check in English? (i.e. - not American).

Most American's can't spell anyway, they use Spell check too much to correct our mistakes, but even when they spell things incorrectly they are too lazy to check it, so they turn it off and end up with the worst spelling and grammar I have ever seen. I use they because I DON'T rely on spell check to correct my mistakes.
 
Ooh! Ooh! I just thought of something! I hate how Mac desktops don't come with mouse pads, and how mouse pads are not for sale in the Apple retail store either.
Forget the mousepad, how about the mouse? :eek:

I have never used a Mac mouse that was really any good at all (despite Steve waxing on about them at MacWorld every time they pump out a new one.)

The three most iconic designs they have had are the original square box one, the "hockey-puck" one from the original iMacs, and the Mighty-Mouse they currently have.

The boxy one combined with OS-9's insane menu behaviour required a sort of death-grip that gave half of my office carpal-tunnel system in the 90's. The puck like round mouse was a similar ergonomic nightmare that no-one I ever met liked to use and the mighty-mouse is just a piece of junk.

The second button of the Mighty Mouse requires you to lift the rest of your hand *off* the device to use it and the ball clogs up with junk in about a week. Since it clogs up faster than any other mouse wheel/ball I have ever seen it's pretty foolish that it is not only un-cleanable but that the mouse is sealed and more or less impossible to service. It also costs far too much for what it is.

I have personally gone through five or six of these things on my various computers since they came out. If Apple intends us to think of the mouse as a fashion accessory for the desktop and to chuck it out every time it gets dirty, they could at least sell them for ten bucks instead of 50 to 70 bucks.

Yeah, this really does say it all. If Apple dev is as condescending as a large part of its fanbase, it's going to be a while before we see a feature people have been clamoring for for years. Seriously, as someone else said, I can't tell whether I find inferior implementation or people who can't help putting you down for not liking said inferior implementation more irritating. In either case, these are easily the two least appealing parts of Macland for me.
It's not a matter of condescension, it's a matter of design.

The Windows model is just to throw everything in there that anyone ever asked for. OS-X is carefully thought through and tested to see what works best. Once they figure out the best way to do something they make that that the standard and go with it.

They then try to stand behind that standard in the face of criticism like yours, again not out of "smugness" but because they have a rational clear understanding based on facts, that their method of doing x, y, or z, is the best way to go for the majority of users.

Speaking of simple file operations, why does it take two keys to Undo, but three to redo? It's Ctrl+Z to Undo on Windows, Ctrl+Y to Redo on Windows. For some reason, OS X decided to "think different" and require a third finger to Redo commands. I've got a third finger for whoever thought that up. Makes no sense at all....
You must have not been around for long or used Windows computers before XP. :p

This is actually as close to a "standard" way of doing keyboard shortcuts as there ever has been. What you are thinking of as the "Mac way" goes all the way back to DOS and before.

A key combination of any kind (Cmd-Tab for instance), has always been able to be reversed by adding the Shift (in this case Shift-Cmd-Tab). This was the way with DOS, Win3.1, Win95, and MacOS. If I remember correctly this was mostly the case even in Commodore 64 days.
 
Speaking of simple file operations, why does it take two keys to Undo, but three to redo? It's Ctrl+Z to Undo on Windows, Ctrl+Y to Redo on Windows. For some reason, OS X decided to "think different" and require a third finger to Redo commands. I've got a third finger for whoever thought that up. Makes no sense at all...

Sorry man, but now you're just b***hing.

Apple has it's many issues, but this is just nit-picking and whining. As I said before, if this IS a serious issue, then the many inconsistencies in Windows XP and Vista are REALLY bad.

p.s. Condescending people..... sorry my friend.... welcome to the real world. MacRumors is a microcosm of the real world, and pretty similar to PC World and other forums out there.
 
After changing to British English in the International preference pane, its done that ever since...
Well obviously I could be doing something wrong, but I find this doesn't work for me.

I have always been British and always set every Mac I ever use to that. The spell checker in Safari however is American English regardless of the International setting.

I'm willing to believe that it might be some cruelly mixed up setting or plist in the library at fault as I sort-of remember this *not* happening once or twice but every time I actually sat down and tested it objectively (Tiger or Leopard), Safari stubbornly refuses to use anything other than an American English dictionary, and I don't even have that installed as far as I know.

I always install British, Canadian, Canadian French, and French keyboards only as the little American flag really bugs me when I see it. ;)
 
... Why can't I just pull out a flash drive like I can in Windows? Instead I have to eject it. Obviously not that big of a deal, but it's a bit of a hassle.
This one I don't get.

You are the second or third person on the thread to mention this but every Windows installation I have ever seen or used acts exactly the same as the Mac.

I work in a mixed Windows/Mac environment and have to service both. The default on Windows, is always to "eject" the USB drive before pulling it out. If it's different in Vista which I have little experience with, it's a brand new thing.

Also on Windows, when someone sticks a USB drive *in* ... Two or three programs load automatically (slowly) and get in your face asking you various questions about the drive and what you want to do etc. And that's the *default*! You actually have to drill down into the system and turn all that off.

Not only that, but why when you stick a USB drive in a Windows machine ... why doesn't it just load on the desktop or even open the drive? All the Windows machines in our lab I have to constantly show people how to open "My Computer" (in many cases not even showing on the desktop itself), and then figure out which of the ugly little icons is their drive.
 
This one I don't get.

You are the second or third person on the thread to mention this but every Windows installation I have ever seen or used acts exactly the same as the Mac.

I work in a mixed Windows/Mac environment and have to service both. The default on Windows, is always to "eject" the USB drive before pulling it out. If it's different in Vista which I have little experience with, it's a brand new thing.

Also on Windows, when someone sticks a USB drive *in* ... Two or three programs load automatically (slowly) and get in your face asking you various questions about the drive and what you want to do etc. And that's the *default*! You actually have to drill down into the system and turn all that off.

Not only that, but why when you stick a USB drive in a Windows machine ... why doesn't it just load on the desktop or even open the drive? All the Windows machines in our lab I have to constantly show people how to open "My Computer" (in many cases not even showing on the desktop itself), and then figure out which of the ugly little icons is their drive.

OH let me tell you. Then, when you have to eject it you have to click the icon on the taskbar, or right click on the icon in 'My Computer' and hit eject. Then it asks you if you want to eject a certain device. Once you have it selected and hit okay, it asks you the same question again!

On Vista.... good luck getting any flash drive to mount. One of the biggest inconsistencies in Vista and other Windows OSes is that one doesn't act like the next. A thumb drive used in this PC won't work in another one if they both run Vista. A DVD running in this PC will open this DVD app that came as bloatware, on another one, it will open Windows Media player. If you try to OPEN the DVD to get to the contents that may be inside, it will go back to WMP or open a third application. That's just stupid Microsoft.

You can complain about green buttons and user error, but Windows makes the big mistakes.
 
Thing I HATE about my mac...

The damn Mighty Mouse.

It is terrible. When playing a game w/ right click enabled it rarely works like it is supposed to. I find this piece of hardware absolute garbage.
 
Totally agreed! I know the thread is what we hate about Macs but that's what I hate about recent Switchers, all these little extras they want OS X to do wouldn't be a twinkle in their eye if they had not ever used Windows.
I'm all for improving the system but with only new options.
The same could be said of MS Windows too though. The only bad things anybody is aware of, they're aware of because another OS, Mac OSX, does it differently.

It's the things that don't, or wouldn't, lessen the Mac OSX experience, but that are available in MS Windows that I miss the most in Mac OSX. The menu being per window or just at the top of the screen has pros and cons, the MS Windows menu navigation is just pros, so why doesn't Mac OSX adopt it?
 
It's the things that don't, or wouldn't, lessen the Mac OSX experience, but that are available in MS Windows that I miss the most in Mac OSX. The menu being per window or just at the top of the screen has pros and cons, the MS Windows menu navigation is just pros, so why doesn't Mac OSX adopt it?

Probably for the same reason that on Windows when you plug in a USB drive it won't appear on the desktop like the Mac OS does it. It's annoying to plug in a drive on Windows, go into My Computer, click on the drive to open it and what's even worse is there may be multiple drives in the My Computer section that all look identical. Trying to explain to a new Windows user to figure out which drive is the one you just plugged in is insane.

So why doesn't Windows handle this task easy like the Mac OS? Because Microsoft wants it that way just as Apple wants it their way.
 
...So why doesn't Windows handle this task easy like the Mac OS? Because Microsoft wants it that way just as Apple wants it their way.
That might be the reason, but it doesn't make any real sense to want something inferior just to be different. In fact that's a pretty stupid reason to do something for both Apple and MS.
 
The most irritating thing for me (a relatively new switcher) is the long-term apple fans that defend stupid features (best but not only example: one button mice) that Apple keeps 'just because it's the way Apple has always done it'

Keyboard+Click is much stupider than just having multiple buttons on the mice. Maybe if we only had one finger on our hands...

(/EDIT: I just remembered, before I get flamed that the current mac mouse is indeed two button, I was thinking about Macbooks and Macbook pros. The common 'response' to that (posted below me in fact!) is to use the two finger click method. That is fantastic except I can't press the left and right buttons at the same time to get a middle click. And there is no three-finger middle click. It is stupid to keep one mouse button. Why can't mac laptops just have two mouse buttons? It doesn't make them more exclusive or cool. It's just dumb. What sin is this commiting?!?!)
 
The most irritating thing for me (a relatively new switcher) is the long-term apple fans that defend stupid features (best but not only example: one button mice) that Apple keeps 'just because it's the way Apple has always done it'

Keyboard+Click is much stupider than just having multiple buttons on the mice. Maybe if we only had one finger on our hands...

then use the two finger click method

i prefer this way than having two buttons
 
If you need every last bit of CPU going to your "intensive programs", and can't spare a fraction of a CPU for a fraction of second to minimize a window, why are you even interacting with your computer at that point. You should leave the computer and let the intensive computer do what it's trying to do. (And before that, quit all secondary apps, like Mail, Safari, iTunes, etc., so they won't interfere with your serious data analysis) :)
It's not a matter of the computer really struggling to handle it, it's just an extra unnecessary use of the computer's CPU that I don't need. But...

^^^I'm assuming you're talking about minimizing with the yellow "-" button right? Go to :apple: >>> System Preferences >>> Dock >>> and then at the bottom, you'll see "minimizing effect" and change it from "genie" to "Scale effect.":)
Thank you. I guess I should change my number one complaint to unfamiliarity with the system. But with that said, Apple stresses the ease of the switch from a PC too much. There all small annoyances and changes that one must overcome while switching, and while someone smart enough to navigate and most on this forum can probably do that fairly easily, the average internet browsing emailing type doesn't need to deal with them. It's honestly easier just to stay with Windows at that point.
 
The most irritating thing for me (a relatively new switcher) is the long-term apple fans that defend stupid features (best but not only example: one button mice) that Apple keeps 'just because it's the way Apple has always done it'

Keyboard+Click is much stupider than just having multiple buttons on the mice. Maybe if we only had one finger on our hands...

You are not a true "switcher" if you are not willing to "switch". By switching you are buying into something else and that something else does not have to be anything like or have to mimic what you gave up to switch to.
On the next note, you could easily buy another mouse? They come dirt cheap, stop acting like it's not possible, you don't have to wait for Apple's next OS release to use any common 2 button mouse. Every PC I have owned I have replaced the included crappy mouse.
Lastly, it's not that legacy Mac users defend stupid things as you put it, it's just that Apple's single button mouse was the first mouse to embrace a computer in the industry and people are used to it just like you are used to Windows and most likely will always be.

You will never be a true switcher. :p
 
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