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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

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I understand that it fits the window to be the size of the page, so you don't have a bunch of white space, but unless Im missing something, you have to do this to EVERY page. I'm frequently following hyperlinks or skipping around to different sites, which means I'd have to hit the button EVERYTIME i go to a different website so that it "zooms to fit." To me...that's LAME.

Agreed. I think that in principal the green button with Safari would work quite well, but having to constantly click a button for each new page gets a little old. Does anyone know of a keyboard shortcut to perform this operation?
 
Agreed. I think that in principal the green button with Safari would work quite well, but having to constantly click a button for each new page gets a little old. Does anyone know of a keyboard shortcut to perform this operation?

Why not just manually resize the window so it's big enough for most websites?
 
Who's productivity? I've got a bunch of options already. Blue or Graphite, loads of highlight colour options, scroll arrows together or at top and bottom, number of recent items etc etc etc.

How, exactly, would options to, say, toggle task bar opacity, or 3D dock, decrease productivity? It's something you do once, to make you machine how you want it, so you can get on with what you want to do in the way you want to do it. How can that do anything but increase productivity?

Doug

I think the bigger question some users have is how can having these options or "features" improve productivity. If they can't then I don't care. On the other hand, the way Windows uses the bar at the bottom with any Pro app is atrocious. I don't know how any media pro gets along with Windows.

Granted... I would like the options of changing this and that ever so often, but like I had to do in Windows, there is plenty of 3rd party software to change the way your UI looks to suit your personal preference. Dock Doctor is a nice choice to change the look of the Dock.

Two Things I hate about OSX.

1: Resizing Windows of Finder and Applications is not nearly as fast as resizing them in "MS Windows"

2. Why the inconsisticy of the red X button? It Hides some programs, and closes others. WTF?

Yeah, we've been there plenty of times. It seems that this is all Windows can do correctly. Resizing windows and completely closing applications is all I hear about from the Windows side. I think Mac OS X handles "Quitting" applications and "Closing Windows" to said applications better than Windows does. Sometimes, I need the window closed or gone, but the app still needs to be running.
 
So it's final, then? The biggest problems with OS X is that we need to be able to resize windows more easily and we need to be able to close apps with the red button if we want to?

Alright, then! Fix those problems, Apple! After that, your OS will be perfect, so the recent switchers say!

^_^

(P.S. Apps closing with the red button would piss me off to no end. And I'll take the extra few pixels of space and a more attractive, seamless workspace over those ugly resize borders any day.)
 
<SNIP> And I'll take the extra few pixels of space and a more attractive, seamless workspace over those ugly resize borders any day.)

All they need to do is take the existing windows in OSX and just let you resize from any corner. They don't have to make borders as you say, just give the area at the edge of the window the ability to let you resize it.
 


Control-F2...I'm looking forward to trying this later! If it works like I hope, it will abolish a whole category of annoyances for me :D Thanks!

The Apple Screen Grab system is more powerful overall. But I still find the Windows method just simpler. Perhaps I'm just brainwashed and untrainable on this matter. This is why I have Jing installed now; it's a good tool for screenshots.
 
Control-F2...I'm looking forward to trying this later! If it works like I hope, it will abolish a whole category of annoyances for me :D Thanks!

The Apple Screen Grab system is more powerful overall. But I still find the Windows method just simpler. Perhaps I'm just brainwashed and untrainable on this matter. This is why I have Jing installed now; it's a good tool for screenshots.

Crtl + f2 will work exactly like you're used to alt on Windows. If you have an fn key, just remember it's then Ctrl + fn + f2.

True, Windows has a slightly easier screenshot shortcut to remember, but I'll take learning those couple of commands of Window's seemingly-random assortment of other commands any day. Alt + f4? Come on! Cmd + Q!
 
Control-F2...I'm looking forward to trying this later! If it works like I hope, it will abolish a whole category of annoyances for me :D Thanks!

I hope it helps. :)

This is why I have Jing installed now; it's a good tool for screenshots.

No, I'd never claim that you needed training or any silly thing like that. I'm just saying that you can set this to be F14, if you truly want the same functionality and key command as Windows.

Just go to System Preferences -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Screen Shots.
 
another annoyance is the behavior of drop-down lists not being in the tab order and not responding to the keyboard when they have focus but aren't opened. Maybe it's just firefox as I stopped using safari but I'm pretty sure it's the os common control. Example -- fill out your address in an order form. When you get to the state it's usually a drop-down list. I always tab to the next field and it annoys the hell out of me that on the mac it skips past it. What it should do is focus on the state dropdown and hitting 'n' should bring me to the first state with an n. I shouldn't have to use the mouse to select the state.
 
^^^I know exactly what you're talking about, and yes, it remains in Safari.

That is one of the minor things that peeves me about OS X.
 
2. Why the inconsisticy of the red X button? It Hides some programs, and closes others. WTF?

This one will never go away it seems. The problem is users who don't know how to Quit correctly.

(you generally hear it from ex-Windows users: "Close an Application". You don't close an application in OS X. You close a Window, and Quit an Application. These are important distinctions because OS X (and all Mac OS's) don't have a main application window. The long term wisdom of this decision is apparent when you are using a 30" screen.)

Use the Quit command when you want to Quit. i.e. App Menu > Quit; or Command - Q

Use the Close Window (command-W) when you want to close a Window.

Here's how to quit in OS X:
"I want to quit". Use the Quit command. It always works and never fails.

Here's how to close a window in OS X:
Click the red X, or command-W

However, individual developers can help OS X beginners who haven't worked out how to quit correctly. For example,
You are using Calculator. You click the red X. It closes the Window. However, the developer of Calculator realizes that Calculator without a window has little purpose, and therefore helps out by quitting the app.

You are using iTunes. You click the X. The window closes. The developer of iTunes realises the user probably didn't want to continue interacting with iTunes but perhaps wants to continue listening to music, so in additionally the application becomes hidden.

In other words, these apparent 'inconsistencies' are there to people who don't know how to Quit or Hide an app correctly.

It's important to be able to close the last window without quitting the application. Moral: learn the Quit command :D
 
Ahem, in fact it's a little bit more complicated that this.
You have THREE options in Mac OS:
Hide Window
Close Window
Quit application

While the difference between close and quit is very clear and easily explainable, the difference between hide and close is quite fuzzy.
Moreover, I would argue about the benefit of having two distinct options: to hide a window and to close it. The added memory footprint of a hidden window is probably very small since the main application is still open so what's the use of having a "close window" option?
 
Ahem, in fact it's a little bit more complicated that this.
You have THREE options in Mac OS:
Hide Window
Close Window
Quit application

While the difference between close and quit is very clear and easily explainable, the difference between hide and close is quite fuzzy.
Moreover, I would argue about the benefit of having two distinct options: to hide a window and to close it. The added memory footprint of a hidden window is probably very small since the main application is still open so what's the use of having a "close window" option?

Take Safari, for example. If I have a window open with several tabs, I don't want to close the window to get it out of my way. That would close all of the tabs and get rid of the wbsites I was viewing at the time. By using "Hide", the window gets out of the way, but still allows me to return it it where I left off with the websites.
 
Take Safari, for example. If I have a window open with several tabs, I don't want to close the window to get it out of my way. That would close all of the tabs and get rid of the wbsites I was viewing at the time. By using "Hide", the window gets out of the way, but still allows me to return it it where I left off with the websites.

And to add to that.... if I am working on a Pages document and I finish making my changes and want to go to another one... I can close that window without the entire app Quiting on me (which it does) and open another document without having to relaunch the program.

Much of the Mac OS apps and windows work the same way, giving me the option of keeping apps running, but having no windows open for them. iCal, Mail, and Safari do the same... Address Book does not because there is only one window to show and it doesn't take that long for the app to reopen.
 
Ahem, in fact it's a little bit more complicated that this.
You have THREE options in Mac OS:
Hide Window
Close Window
Quit application

While the difference between close and quit is very clear and easily explainable, the difference between hide and close is quite fuzzy.
Moreover, I would argue about the benefit of having two distinct options: to hide a window and to close it. The added memory footprint of a hidden window is probably very small since the main application is still open so what's the use of having a "close window" option?

Actually theres a FOURTH.

Minimise to dock.:)
 
+1 on the "x" button inconsistency. I completely understand the difference between quitting, closing, hiding, and minimizing, but I still think the red "x" button should always close that particular window and not the entire application. IMO, it's stupid to have it work one way in certain applications and another way in another application.
 
I wish there was a way to disable the message you get on opening an app for the first time...
 
There's a message? I've never seen it.

It asks you if you are sure if you want to open the application since it was downloaded off the internet (or something like that). It only asks you the first time. Some how that's suppose to help increase security. Obviously if a user downloads something and he/she wants to run it, they're going to click 'Yes'. Pretty pointless if you ask me. Reminds me of UAC in Vista.
 
On Leopard? Its really annoying on third party apps...

Ah. That explains it. I still use Tiger. That would be annoying, but if it's only the first time, I wouldn't mind too much. I remember how XP would pop up a balloon message every five minutes to tell me something I didn't care about.
 
I wish there was a way to disable the message you get on opening an app for the first time...

Apple mocks and insults MS when Vista pops up cancel or allow, and Apple copies this crap and brings it to Leopard.

I want to know why.

http://macnightowl.com/2008/01/10/the-leopard-report-the-danger-of-too-many-prompts/

When you first run an application that you download from the Internet, Leopard delivers another warning, explaining it is a downloaded file, by which browser and when. You can click Open right now, or Cancel, and try again later. Once you accept the launch request, the prompts go away forever. (Until the next time you download a new version :p)
 
I hate:

- the power adapter for Apple notebooks. Because the bulk of the adapter is plugged on the wall, the weight eventually distorts the shape of the pins and the current no longer passes through.

- the batteries used in Apple's notebooks. My Powerbook battery died after just one year of usage. I have never experienced such problems with other brands (Dell, Thinkpad, etc.)
 
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