Things you HATE about Macs...

[slug420]

Anyway when you click on Show All in a search, in list view you'll see where the file is after you click on it.

yea, I have been using this feature since it is all i have available but it really isnt adequate to have to highlight each of who knows how many search results (sometimes its a lot) to find out where it is located.

I respect your opinion about windows vs osx but I really think if thats true (how far superior osx is) osx should offer - even if only for advanced users - the ability to enable those old clunky windows features. Being able to do everything your competition does PLUS more better advanced things makes you a much more clearcut choice as the superior product than not having a lot of the basic functionality of your competitor and forcing people to accomplish things differently.

Personally I think a big part of apple's recent success is how this philosophy now applies to their hardware which allows you to run windows or osx. One could argue that by allowing users to run windows or osx via bootcamp or parallels they are doing what I ask in making their product do everything their competition does PLUS more. But I think that is saying the "product" is just the hardware. For the product that IS osx, I think the real big win would be offering that windows capability on their hardware but having no one feel the need to use it.

 

[adamfishercox]

There Done...All the things u dislike about a Mac has been solved....I hate PC's just as much as any Mac user, but these small supposed imperfections that you posted bugged me...i mean PC's don't even have a sleep light. eBay gives you viruses on PC's, and clicking the Maximize Button in WindBlows bloats the window so u have to move it to find others. On a Mac....that doesnt happen. Thats why most new apps now days have full screen.

Every "solution" you gave was not a solution. The only thing I [partially] agree with you on is the minimize, maximize button. It is broken, even for the fuction it's supposed to carry out... there's no predicting what'll happen in safari or in finder, it shows a plus but in fact usually makes the windows smaller, etc.

The rest of the answers you gave make the user go out of the way to do things. In a good OS, things should be easy to dismiss or turn on and off. OS X usually gets this right, but some things are still annoying, and that's what he listed. I think it's great that the list is that small, but you need to accept the fact that those ARE problems.

It is stupid that coverflow gets bigger. If you resize a window, you want to see more content, and when coverflow resizes, it doesn't show you more content at all. This, paired with the impracticality of CoverFlow for navigation, is why I personally stopped using it.

No one should have to buy a case just so they don't see the light. Though I don't think the sleep light, especially on a notebook, is bright at all.

The fact that eBay doesn't work with Safari is not Apple's fault, but it is still an issue. And eBay does not give viruses. What are you talking about?

 

[Lord Sam]

Every "solution" you gave was not a solution. The only thing I [partially] agree with you on is the minimize, maximize button. It is broken, even for the fuction it's supposed to carry out... there's no predicting what'll happen in safari or in finder, it shows a plus but in fact usually makes the windows smaller, etc.

The rest of the answers you gave make the user go out of the way to do things. In a good OS, things should be easy to dismiss or turn on and off. OS X usually gets this right, but some things are still annoying, and that's what he listed. I think it's great that the list is that small, but you need to accept the fact that those ARE problems.

It is stupid that coverflow gets bigger. If you resize a window, you want to see more content, and when coverflow resizes, it doesn't show you more content at all. This, paired with the impracticality of CoverFlow for navigation, is why I personally stopped using it.

No one should have to buy a case just so they don't see the light. Though I don't think the sleep light, especially on a notebook, is bright at all.

The fact that eBay doesn't work with Safari is not Apple's fault, but it is still an issue. And eBay does not give viruses. What are you talking about?

*cough* ebay does *cough* give PC's viruses *cough*

 

[joefinan]

*cough* ebay does *cough* give PC's viruses *cough*

Does it??

 

[cheekybobcat]

Hate wouldn't be the word for my dislikes. I just got a new MacBook and the only thing I dislike about it is iMovie 08' and I just got 06'. Otherwise, I love it!
I<3

 

[DaveF]

thanks, thats great! I wasnt aware of that feature. Still cant delete images by pressing delete (or bksp) but its a lot better than highlighting and using preview.

Have a look at the third-party QuickLook plug-ins. I use the BetterZIP and FolderView plug-ins. You might find some for your specific tasks.

 

[kuwisdelu]

Personally I think a big part of apple's recent success is how this philosophy now applies to their hardware which allows you to run windows or osx. One could argue that by allowing users to run windows or osx via bootcamp or parallels they are doing what I ask in making their product do everything their competition does PLUS more. But I think that is saying the "product" is just the hardware. For the product that IS osx, I think the real big win would be offering that windows capability on their hardware but having no one feel the need to use it.

I think most of us don't dual-boot to Windows because we're missing any OS functionality, but because we need a few programs that haven't been ported/are no longer developed for Mac. Which is that program's developer's fault, not Apple's. Beyond that one or two incompatible programs, I wish I could purge my computer of Windows, but until those programs come to Mac...I can't.

 

[slug420]

I agree, I also use windows for apps and games that are not available in osx, and I think apple needs to extend the "we can do anything our competition can - plus more" philosophy that their hardware demonstrates to their operating system.

 

[macgruder]

I respect your opinion about windows vs osx but I really think if thats true (how far superior osx is) osx should offer - even if only for advanced users - the ability to enable those old clunky windows features.

Yes, I wish they'd delayed the release of Leopard a few months to put some in Windows features that I would never use. Apple will only add a Windows feature if it is good certainly not if it's clunky. Command-Tab is a good example.

 

[Hankster]

Laptops should have two buttons and there should be some light to indicate the HD is running.

 

[Eric Lewis]

im sick..of the random dock stuff

sometimes it just goes black?

 

[adamfishercox]

Laptops should have two buttons and there should be some light to indicate the HD is running.

The point of the one button is that it is simpler to use for first timers, and in this day and age of right clicking, there is the even more elegant solution of just dropping your finger down next to the first one. Easier than finding another button.

What good would an HD light do? I know I can hear my HD, but I can't think why I would want to.

 

[slug420]

Yes, I wish they'd delayed the release of Leopard a few months to put some in Windows features that I would never use. Apple will only add a Windows feature if it is good certainly not if it's clunky. Command-Tab is a good example.

I dont know how customizability is clunky...or even what a clunky feature is, but thats one of the things im not too happy about with my mac, the fact that apple makes all those decisions for me instead of giving me the ability ot enable to disable things and do it the windows way or the apple way....

i guess they are deciding what is and isnt clunky...and im not sure they always get it right.

If you were using windows and somehow felt that the extra information displayed in the columns of details in "detailed view" in windows explorer was "clunky"....you could turn them off. I am using OSX where apple decided what is and isnt clunky and there is no recourse if I am not satisfied with apple's decision.

 

[adamfishercox]

Why do you expect OS X to let you do things the Windows way? Does Windows let you do things the Mac way? No.

 

[slug420]

Why do you expect OS X to let you do things the Windows way? Does Windows let you do things the Mac way? No.

macs are supposedly better. So no, I do not expect the inferior product to do things that the superior product does.

If macs/osx are better than PCs/windows as most people on this website believe, its really not fair for you to fall back on "well does windows do that?" when people suggest improvements in OSX. I have higher expectations of osx and macs because so many people speak so highly of it.

If I was buying a chevrolet, i might not expect it to have a bose sound system or the xenon headlights...if I was paying more for a superior product in a Cadillac, then maybe I would expect those things. But just because I am buying the superior product for the things it does well, doesnt mean I will forgo the conveniences I have come to expect in the inferior product. For example maybe cadillac thought it would make more sense to put the clutch on the far right, and the gas on the far left. And maybe this actually makes sense for some reason and is physiologically better....I would probably still like my cadillac (with xenon and bose) to have the pedals I am used to having in my chevy since I feel they are superior. I would expect a superior product to offer that as an option.

Its so silly for you to be arguing with my opinion about this. I am simply advocating increased capability and flexibility while you are arguing that my opinion is invalid and should not be accommodated. I think every product should strive - when feasible - to accomodate as many preferences/opinions as possible. Unless you are familiar with the source code for osx and can tell me how adding the functionality i have mentioned means a major overhaul of the OS...i think it is reasonable to conclude that such minor changes are certainly "feasible".

 

[TBi]

macs are supposedly better. So no, I do not expect the inferior product to do things that the superior product does.<SNIP>

Have you ever thought that maybe the reason people here think macs are superior is because of the way they do things now? Maybe if you let go of your windows mindset and actually tried using OSX as it is you might realize that the mac was is actually the better way?

Maybe Apple have got it right from the start but since Windows couldn't copy MacOS exactly (legal reasons) they had to change things which in turn made it worse than OSX is? However windows became more mainstream (the cheaper option always sells better for some reason, you see more fords than BMW's**) so people are just accustomed to the wrong way of doing things.



**Not that i'm saying there is anything wrong with Ford, i actually think they are quite good (in Europe anyway).

 

[slug420]

maybe macs do do things better...im open to arriving at that conclusion. But right now I want to do things the way I have for 15 years and I dont appreciate that I have to learn things "the mac way" to be able to enjoy osx.

As you mentioned PCs have larger marketshare, isnt it like 90% or something? I am not saying mac should abandon their new innovative advanced superior ideas and methods...I am just saying I hate (in the "things you hate about macs" thread) that they force you into them instead of offering you the old way accepted by 90% of the market - just as an option - and letting you gradually discover the new, better, mac ways as you use their product.

 

[joefinan]

maybe macs do do things better...im open to arriving at that conclusion. But right now I want to do things the way I have for 15 years and I dont appreciate that I have to learn things "the mac way" to be able to enjoy osx.

Your post just makes no sense.

That's like saying "I don't want to have to learn Flemmish to enjoy living in Belgium. More people speak English, it's clearly better and so they should speak it too". The reason you enjoy OSX is because it is the 'Mac way' and not the 'PC way'.

 

[slug420]

Your post just makes no sense.

That's like saying "I don't want to have to learn Flemmish to enjoy living in Belgium. More people speak English, it's clearly better and so they should speak it too". The reason you enjoy OSX is because it is the 'Mac way' and not the 'PC way'.

its not the same unless belgium and the US are competing products and belgium is trying to gain marketshare and believes itself to be a superior product.

Using your absurd metaphor however, countries that wanted (when the US dollar was strong) to benefit from increased US tourism in the past made themselves more friendly to english speaking travelers...tourist offices carry a lot of literature in english, most people involved with tourism speak english to some extent, signs are often in english as well as the native language etc.

Once there to more fully enjoy the experience you can learn the native language if you so choose but you can also get by speaking english if you want that artificial tourist experience.

 

[adamfishercox]

Here's the deal. OS X works the Mac way. And it's not hard to learn if you will stop trying to compare it to Windows. In fact, I would hardly call it "learning" at all. Think about how you expect a computer to work, not how Windows works. 95% of the time, just doing what makes sense will work on a Mac. Not so on Windows, and that's not something that Mac should include.

 

[markjones05]

Here's the deal. OS X works the Mac way. And it's not hard to learn if you will stop trying to compare it to Windows. In fact, I would hardly call it "learning" at all. Think about how you expect a computer to work, not how Windows works. 95% of the time, just doing what makes sense will work on a Mac. Not so on Windows, and that's not something that Mac should include.

This is true enough but there are still many flaws in apple apps that annoy the hell out of me mainly in the final cut studio, but these same things can be found in many of apples pro and non pro apps. For instance it is fairly common knowledge that if you want to change the name of a file you click the item and hit enter/return, this is not the case in final cut studio applications. Also the twirl down arrows do not respond very well in final cut studio. If I twirl down an arrow and then try to twirl it back up I cannot unless I click somewhere else first... Another problem I have with the OS in general are the 3 red, yellow and green buttons on the top left of all windows. the hit detection on these are very inconsistent and often times result in a minimized window instead of a closed one. Does anyone else experience these things on a daily basis?

 

[adamfishercox]

Yeah, I'm not sure why they change up some function in pro apps. That annoys me. And there seems to be some irregular click problems with the close buttons here too. But usually not.

 

[slug420]

Here's the deal. OS X works the Mac way. And it's not hard to learn if you will stop trying to compare it to Windows. In fact, I would hardly call it "learning" at all. Think about how you expect a computer to work, not how Windows works. 95% of the time, just doing what makes sense will work on a Mac. Not so on Windows, and that's not something that Mac should include.

ok, so apply that to my dilemma...im not trying to make osx windows, just trying to do the same things in osx as easily or more easily than i did in windows. I am not attacking your holy grail, I bought a mac, I am invested in this, i am just not willing to accept "well you cant do that in osx" or "it takes a few more steps in osx" in one breath from someone and "osx and macs are better than windows" or "osx doesnt need to add the feature you think it is missing because you should just do it the mac way intead" in the next.

I want to listen to a song performed live by an artist. I search for the song title and get 40 results. In windows I would look at the "path" column that shows me the path to that file so I can tell which live performance each instance is from. I finder I find myself just staring at search results at is basically the song name repeated 40 times with a different number in front of it (indicating track #). How do I address this the mac way. Clicking through each one to see the path when it shows up at the bottom of my finder window is clearly less efficient and a workaround...I am trying to see osx shine here.

Next problem that the "path" column helps with is if I want to see where I have my pictures from my digital camera stored. I have a terabyte of disk space spread over 4 physical disks, each of which has some assortment of data on it that was migrated from an old computer (an old laptop, my old PC, my previous osx installation etc). I want to consolidate all of my pictures from my digital camera into two locations, one for daily use, and the other on a separate physical disk for safe keeping. So i do a search for dsc and find maybe 100,000 pictures. A few of them are idfferent picutres (taken with different cameras) with the same file names, and some are duplicates of the same image in different locations. In windows I would click and sort by the "path" column and it would make it very easy for me ot see that I have an entire directory tree (like the my pictures folder maybe) in 4 different locations so I can quickly and easily go to those locations and delete 3 of them. I can also easily distinguish between DSC0001 from my trip to mexico (because it is in the mexico folder with all the other mexico pics) and DSC0001 from my trip to canada (because it is in the canada folder with all the other canada pics. How do I address this problem as easily in osx as I can in windows?

 

[cdcastillo]

It is stupid that coverflow gets bigger. If you resize a window, you want to see more content, and when coverflow resizes, it doesn't show you more content at all

Do you realize that you can adjust the ratio of coverflow to content in any window? It doesn't matter if it is before or after you resize the whole window.

Below the coverflow section, and above the contents section (between both), there is a pair of horizontal lines, you grab them and rearrange the ratio until you get the desired result.

Still cant delete images by pressing delete

Command-delete (or command-bksp) will do the trick

 

[Muzzway]

It'd certainly be nice if Apple was more competitive with updates/pricing.