I hate that Safari doesn't have a minimize button to hide the continuous whining about the the widnows' maximize button.
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Are you talking about Numbers? When I click zoom with Numbers, it does maximize and use the entire screen except for the menubar and dock. I also tested latest Aqua build of OpenOffice and it does the same thing.
Hmm I've got a few to add...
Hate? nah, just irritates the hell out of me....
lol here we go
I don't like how a lot of apps written for the Mac platform have all the panels broken apart- the cs3 suite come to mind as on their windows counterparts the app has a solid background so it appears to be much less cluttered on the windows machine.
The green "scale to fit" button has been mentioned here a bunch but I'll chime in too, it's not consistent. Why isn't there an option to allow me to maximize if I want to? What would that hurt?
A lot of apps launch slower on Macs than their windows counterparts in my experience. Firefox, Word, Photoshop come to mind. I can run these apps on windows on the same machine under boot camp and they all open and close faster on windows. I don't expect them to be faster, but as fast would be great.
I wish I could disable the sleep light on my mbp.
I wish the optical drive was quieter.
I wish my Airport Extreme wouldn't randomly drop connections.
I wish the "geniuses" weren't pretentious douchebags half the time.
I wish my iphone did about a dozen things that cheaper cellphones do.
I wish that Apple would put blu-ray drives in their computers.
I wish Apple had better hardware selection.
I wish Apple would fix the AEBS to work with Time Machine like they once advertised.
I wish opening my mbp to install a larger capacity hard drive wouldn't void the warranty.
lol just a few off the top of my head.....
Hate? nah, just irritates the hell out of me....
lol here we go
I don't like how a lot of apps written for the Mac platform have all the panels broken apart- the cs3 suite come to mind as on their windows counterparts the app has a solid background so it appears to be much less cluttered on the windows machine.
The green "scale to fit" button has been mentioned here a bunch but I'll chime in too, it's not consistent. Why isn't there an option to allow me to maximize if I want to? What would that hurt?
A lot of apps launch slower on Macs than their windows counterparts in my experience. Firefox, Word, Photoshop come to mind. I can run these apps on windows on the same machine under boot camp and they all open and close faster on windows. I don't expect them to be faster, but as fast would be great.
I wish I could disable the sleep light on my mbp.
I wish the optical drive was quieter.
I wish my Airport Extreme wouldn't randomly drop connections.
I wish the "geniuses" weren't pretentious douchebags half the time.
I wish my iphone did about a dozen things that cheaper cellphones do.
I wish that Apple would put blu-ray drives in their computers.
I wish Apple had better hardware selection.
I wish Apple would fix the AEBS to work with Time Machine like they once advertised.
I wish opening my mbp to install a larger capacity hard drive wouldn't void the warranty.
lol just a few off the top of my head.....
That's not true, it can be predicted easily once you get used to its behavior. Zoom uses logic to provide the smartest solution, and only does one of three things depending on the type of application, & one of those things is very rare (iTunes mini player mode) so it really does two things. Basically you'll never have a big, ugly grey area full of nothingness covering up the background with zoom. Maybe you just need a little time to get used to it. When I switched from Windows to Mac I got it quicky. Zoom also fits Apple philosophy.
How about the Air?
with such a list it sounds like you would be happier with a Vista PC... if I had that many gripes about OS X I would just use Ubuntu full time. I have a few gripes about OS X but its still by far the best OS for me. I have not compared the performance of apps written for Windows then ported to OS X but overall find OS X to be faster and more stable. I lost count how many times my GF reinstalled Windows because it develops ticks and hickups and slows to a crawl.
How about the Air?
with such a list it sounds like you would be happier with a Vista PC... if I had that many gripes about OS X I would just use Ubuntu full time. I have a few gripes about OS X but its still by far the best OS for me. I have not compared the performance of apps written for Windows then ported to OS X but overall find OS X to be faster and more stable. I lost count how many times my GF reinstalled Windows because it develops ticks and hickups and slows to a crawl.
Nah dude my gaming desktop (that I just sold) ran vista full time had a ton of things that irritated me and it was nothing but top of the line components. lol I could write a fricking dissertation about all the things in windows that piss me off.
I do think that OS X is a superior OS, and I would still rather use a closed Mac platform than an open Windows based one despite all the things that bug me about the former. In fact I had made the switch full time and then my job has offered me a sizeable raise if I become proficient in Visual Studio 2008. LOL so a boot camp xp install later, here I am. LOL Windows runs fast as hell on it though.
A lot of the issues I have with the Mac platform stem from the lack of control that Apple allows, but I'm confident as their user base grows so will Apple's flexibility.
Getting them to play nicely with Vista in a multi OS environment (OS X, Windows XP Pro , Vista and Linux).
I have been running Leopard sense a few days after release and haven't had any of these memory leaks that you claim to have issues with are occurring as far as i can tell on my MacBook 13'' white which is practically on practically twenty-four seven souly for the reason that i like to always have a computer hibernate as it takes allot of electrical energy to cold boot the same machine , the samre goes for my AMD AThlon X2 Duel Core 5600+ based former Windows Vista based , Now happily peering Windows XP Driven Hp Pavilion a6230n multimedia center pc.
You cannot answer this question in a general manner: What does the green button do?
Here's a gedanken (a thought experiment): I'm creating a new application. The main window has a red, yellow and a green button. Before you ever see the application, tell me what those buttons will do. I'll get you started.
* Red button closes the window
* Yellow button miniaturizes the window
* Green button...
Green button behavior can't be described in general, much less simply. It can only be determined by experiment, application by application. You must run the application, push the green button, and see what happens. Then, and only then, can you tell me its functionality for that particular program.
I've noted these behaviors:
* "Optimize" window (Finder, Keynote)
* Maximize height and width to fill screen (Numbers, Mail, AppZapper)
* Fit width, maximize height (Preview)
* Change window size (Firefox. No apparent logic.)
* Operational mode change (iTunes, Calc)
It resizes the window to appropriately handle the content in the window.
Seems perfectly consistent to me.
As a recent switcher (January), it's taken some time to get used to the "Mac way" of doing things, but overall I'm incredibly happy with OS X and wouldn't even think about going back to windows.
That having been said, there are a few minor issues I have...
Photoshop - If a photo isn't already open and you click anywhere on the desktop, the whole program disappears and you have to click on the dock icon to get it back.
Finder - I read in an earlier post about using ONYX to "quit" finder...is there a way to make Forklift be the "default" file browser? I really like the dual pane setup...
Finder 2 - I still haven't found a solution to this (if one is available) - When you click on a file, why doesn't it show you the filesize in the status bar instead of "1 file selected, 200+ gigs available"? Having to chose Get Info *just* to get something as simple as the filesize seems like a waste of time...
Inconsistent close button - This one's been mentioned a lot already, and I've gotten used to hitting Cmd-Q in order to fully quit a program (strangely enough, I *never* used the keyboard shortcut in Windows to close a program), but one thing I really do like about Mac's way is if you hit the red button, it basically hides the app until you click the dock icon...is there a *consistent* way to do this with a keyboard shortcut?
One menu bar - For the first 2 weeks or so, having one menu bar that changed depending on the app was *really* disconcerting - I was so used to having a menu bar within each application. But now this actually does make a lot more sense to have one menu at the top of the screen. And I love having the menulets!
For a recent switcher, that's not too bad of a list...I'm probably forgetting a few things, but overall I think OS X is just put together much better than windows overall, and I can't believe it took me this long to switch
-Bryan
That having been said, there are a few minor issues I have...
Photoshop - If a photo isn't already open and you click anywhere on the desktop, the whole program disappears and you have to click on the dock icon to get it back.
Finder - I read in an earlier post about using ONYX to "quit" finder...is there a way to make Forklift be the "default" file browser? I really like the dual pane setup...
Finder 2 - I still haven't found a solution to this (if one is available) - When you click on a file, why doesn't it show you the filesize in the status bar instead of "1 file selected, 200+ gigs available"? Having to chose Get Info *just* to get something as simple as the filesize seems like a waste of time...
Inconsistent close button - This one's been mentioned a lot already, and I've gotten used to hitting Cmd-Q in order to fully quit a program (strangely enough, I *never* used the keyboard shortcut in Windows to close a program), but one thing I really do like about Mac's way is if you hit the red button, it basically hides the app until you click the dock icon...is there a *consistent* way to do this with a keyboard shortcut?
One menu bar - For the first 2 weeks or so, having one menu bar that changed depending on the app was *really* disconcerting - I was so used to having a menu bar within each application. But now this actually does make a lot more sense to have one menu at the top of the screen. And I love having the menulets!
For a recent switcher, that's not too bad of a list...I'm probably forgetting a few things, but overall I think OS X is just put together much better than windows overall, and I can't believe it took me this long to switch
-Bryan
Welcome to the Mac!
The red button is not inconsistent (it closes a window always). Further stuff like auto-quit is developer dependent. If you want to hide just do command-H. If close-a-window is not precisely what you want to do avoid the red button
Yeah. One menu bar obeys Fitts Law
To add to my earlier list, it's honestly rediculous how long it takes to open an application compared to a windows version of the same app. Firefox on windows? 3-5 seconds, tops. Firefox on Mac? Anywhere from 7-20 seconds. (Depending how "fast" my Mac is running that day)
One thing that really gets me is how often the physical computer has problems. It seems every time time Apple introduces a new line, or updates the existing line, there is always some (fairly) widespread defect. (yellowing on macbooks, yellow MBP screens, the supposed overheating MB air) Meanwhile, PC manufactuers happily chug out many more different model's then Apple, with fewer defects. Two things wrong with that. #1: Obviously, with more models to take care of, you'd think many more issues would appear with PC's then Macs (Correct me if I'n wrong, but this doesn't seem to happen) but it doesn't. Which brings me to #2, how do these things slip past Apple's quality control? It's just commen sense, fewer models = fewer problems. Somehow, this doesn't seem to apply to Apple. Why?
)One thing that really gets me is how often the physical computer has problems. It seems every time time Apple introduces a new line, or updates the existing line, there is always some (fairly) widespread defect. (yellowing on macbooks, yellow MBP screens, the supposed overheating MB air) Meanwhile, PC manufactuers happily chug out many more different model's then Apple, with fewer defects. Two things wrong with that. #1: Obviously, with more models to take care of, you'd think many more issues would appear with PC's then Macs (Correct me if I'n wrong, but this doesn't seem to happen) but it doesn't. Which brings me to #2, how do these things slip past Apple's quality control? It's just commen sense, fewer models = fewer problems. Somehow, this doesn't seem to apply to Apple. Why?
One thing that really gets me is how often the physical computer has problems. It seems every time time Apple introduces a new line, or updates the existing line, there is always some (fairly) widespread defect. (yellowing on macbooks, yellow MBP screens, the supposed overheating MB air) #2, how do these things slip past Apple's quality control? It's just commen sense, fewer models = fewer problems. Somehow, this doesn't seem to apply to Apple. Why?
Wow. I'm jealous. You must have owned dozens of each model to make that assertion.
Do you have any statistics to back this up?
Wow. I'm jealous. You must have owned dozens of each model to make that assertion.
Do you have any statistics to back this up?
Doesn't it seem a little odd how often problems come up? Sure, I know this forum is going to be biased for problems, but it comes up in the national media quite often.
Closing the window isn't the problem...it's closing the window *and* killing the program at the same time...
(I think that's what you're calling "auto-quit".)I just tried the Cmd-H shortcut...looks like that's exactly what I wanted, thanks!
-Bryan
Closing the window isn't the problem...it's closing the window *and* killing the program at the same time...
I just tried the Cmd-H shortcut...looks like that's exactly what I wanted, thanks!
-Bryan
If you want to just press the red button instead of hiding the entire app, and you want to just close the entire window just press command+W
Closing the window isn't the problem...it's closing the window *and* killing the program at the same time...
Yes, the 'close and kill' is developer dependent. It should only occur when there is no purpose to closing the final 'window' e.g. calculator . But then again if there is no purpose in closing the last window you 'shouldn't' be clicking the red button anyway
Define "optimize".
Define what "appropriately handle the content" means for an arbitrary application.CalBoy said:
You support my point: green button behavior cannot be described in any meaningful way in general.
For most applications, the green button does something reasonable. Perhaps it's even the optimal thing. The problem is that "optimal" is undefined, varies from program to program, and can only be discovered by pushing the button and seeing what happens. And, confounding things, is that some applications don't seem do anything sensible (like Firefox) or clearly don't fit any reasonable intended use (Calc, iTunes).
This seems pretty un-Apple to me.
Size is shown with basic file info on the right side in Column View. I think it's an attribute in Details mode? Not sure about the others... (Window's display of size in the bottom of the window, regardless of view mode is useful).
As small as possible while containing as much information as possible/not cutting info. Just big enough in simple terms.
If individual developers don't implement it effectively that's not Apple's problem.
Making the button consistent but usually bad as you suggest it not a good alternative. As I said before i dont want my ichat buddy list, safari download manager, the activity viewer in mail, calculator, word document, etc etc filing up a 30" screen.
The window is changed so that the content will display correctly, in the smallest possible window required (hence macgruder's use of the word "optimize").
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