Ah I'm sorry, I didn't even think to mention which layout I'm using. I kinda prefer the icon/thumbnail view, since I always used it on windows. So I guess there's no way to add that info to the status bar in icon view?
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Ah I'm sorry, I didn't even think to mention which layout I'm using. I kinda prefer the icon/thumbnail view, since I always used it on windows. So I guess there's no way to add that info to the status bar in icon view?
-Bryan
Except that's clearly not a general description of what it does. Apple itself doesn't follow this.
The green button, like red and yellow buttons, open / save dialogs, window resizing tools and the menu bar, are fundamental interface items. These should be well established by Apple for developers (including Apple) to use with specific and consistent behaviors. If these have inconsistent behaviors, the fault ultimately lies with Apple.macgruder said:
I like the notion of "Optimize." Unfortunately, it's not what the green button does.
Green button is essentially a random resize, or at least with no rules that could be discerned by a normal human being.
For those who disagree about its randomness, I have a practical challenge for you. This challenge involves three steps:
First, look at your already open windows in all applications. It is good to do this in the middle of your work since you are likely to have more windows open.
Second. Switch to a window of your choice. Now, on your screen, outline the new boundaries of the window that you think it will assume after you push the green button. (Use a sheet protector and a sharpie to draw on screen).
Third, push the green button and compare the observed results with your predictions. Take a picture of your result.
Repeat the same for each window. Make a conclusion if the green button is a randomizer or not. I wonder if anyone may have already done this. If not, I claim an authorship to a new puzzle game.
For those who disagree about its randomness, I have a practical challenge for you. This challenge involves three steps:
First, look at your already open windows in all applications. It is good to do this in the middle of your work since you are likely to have more windows open.
Second. Switch to a window of your choice. Now, on your screen, outline the new boundaries of the window that you think it will assume after you push the green button. (Use a sheet protector and a sharpie to draw on screen).
Third, push the green button and compare the observed results with your predictions. Take a picture of your result.
Repeat the same for each window. Make a conclusion if the green button is a randomizer or not. I wonder if anyone may have already done this. If not, I claim an authorship to a new puzzle game
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"lets play a new game"
Nice game. This "feature" is slightly under thought. The green button, I guess, Resizes the window based on what you are viewing. A press of the green button while viewing a web page will maximize the window space based on the page being displayed. I short it crops the window to what it thinks is the maximum "important" image real estate.
That said the green button is useful for viewing multiple documents, just click it and the window shrinks to a "column" view of the page leaving horizontal space for the rest of the opened windows, not half as cool as expose, but useful about 2% of the time.
WTF! why do the arrow keys not work for selection on screen prompt options (i.e. sleep/restart, save/don't save, reset safari, etc.). This is stupid, s for sleep, cmd+d for don't save, but no intuitive option for the other functions.
If OSX is all about unification, then why not have intuitive prompt shortcuts? having to press the first letter of the option is good, but why throw a cmd in there, who is supposed to know to use this? Plus what about all the other prompts? Would pressing CMD+arrow not be much easier? Well at least now i have the thrill of pressing ramdom sequences of buttons and waiting to see if, or what the hell is does. ADD this to your game and we have a winner
Green button is essentially a random resize, or at least with no rules that could be discerned by a normal human being.
...If not, I claim an authorship to a new puzzle game
Nice game
. This "feature" is slightly under thought. The green button, I guess, Resizes the window based on what you are viewing. A press of the green button while viewing a web page will maximize the window space based on the page being displayed. I short it crops the window to what it thinks is the maximum "important" image real estate.That said the green button is useful for viewing multiple documents, just click it and the window shrinks to a "column" view of the page leaving horizontal space for the rest of the opened windows, not half as cool as expose, but useful about 2% of the time.
WTF! why do the arrow keys not work for selection on screen prompt options (i.e. sleep/restart, save/don't save, reset safari, etc.). This is stupid, s for sleep, cmd+d for don't save, but no intuitive option for the other functions.
If OSX is all about unification, then why not have intuitive prompt shortcuts? having to press the first letter of the option is good, but why throw a cmd in there, who is supposed to know to use this? Plus what about all the other prompts? Would pressing CMD+arrow not be much easier? Well at least now i have the thrill of pressing ramdom sequences of buttons and waiting to see if, or what the hell is does. ADD this to your game and we have a winner
The green button is never used on my system...
I don't think it's random. It does attempt to perfectly resize the window to display the content... it just happens to do it perfectly wrong in my opinion. I agree with DaveF. This should have more of a consistent behavior.
On the upside, green is my favorite color. It shure looks purdy atop my title bar.
I don't think it's random. It does attempt to perfectly resize the window to display the content... it just happens to do it perfectly wrong in my opinion. I agree with DaveF. This should have more of a consistent behavior.
On the upside, green is my favorite color. It shure looks purdy atop my title bar.
I actually like this feature. For example, in Safari, it makes the window just big enough to see the whole thing without scrolling horizontally.
This actually pisses me off as well. I use a program called SleepLess, and it works great. It is shareware, but the only restriction is an occasional nag window, but I just drag it to the bottom right corner of the screen (actually almost off of the screen) where it doesn't pester me. One more thing: look down below at the picture I posted of the menu for SleepLess...the "display can sleep" options never seem to work properly (when you open it back up, it doesn't do anything), so I always just use the "prevent sleep with lid closed" and use my screen saver hot corner, and turn the brightness down all the way and it works great without disconnecting WiFi or anything.
Yeah it does.
BTW, LOL "niggles"
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I'm sure this was mentioned, but when the heck are we going to get a two button mouse on the laptop? I know, never. I'm sure a lot of people are okay with 1 button but i'm always longing for 2.
Also, I'd like to have a real delete key. Not just a backspace key that says delete on it.
Also, I'd like to have a real delete key. Not just a backspace key that says delete on it.
emphasis towards one button mice/scroll pads
overpriced apple displays
THE EFFING MIGHTY MOUSE
video cards cost 3x or 4x as much as same windows cards
nag screen when i unplug a usb drive without ejecting
no headless mac
limitations/specifications/price on mac mini
logitech's mac mouse drivers
lack of customization compared to windows machines
needing an engineering decree to change a hard drive on a imac
voiding applecare after changing a hard drive on an imac
overpriced apple displays
THE EFFING MIGHTY MOUSE
video cards cost 3x or 4x as much as same windows cards
nag screen when i unplug a usb drive without ejecting
no headless mac
limitations/specifications/price on mac mini
logitech's mac mouse drivers
lack of customization compared to windows machines
needing an engineering decree to change a hard drive on a imac
voiding applecare after changing a hard drive on an imac
The green button toggles the window to be as small as possible/useful without scrollbars displaying.
If the application lacks one or both scrollbars (calculator), then the developer determines the behaviour.
It's not perfectly implemented: the position of the window(top-left) should be remembered for a start, and it probably should be more consistent. Yes, improve the behaviour but full screen maximize is a far worse alternative.
The ACDs are S-IPS screens, and about the cheapest S-IPS you can find. Aimed at pro color work they are a good deal. My 23" ACD arrived today and it's stunning. (now what I really hate is that my new MacPro Octo hasn't arrived yet
)Doesn't removing without ejecting potentially damage the drive?
Agreed
you do realise that you can enable two finger right click (secondary click) in the trackpad preferences and that forward delete i.e. "del" is "fn-delete" on MacBook keyboards right?
i actually prefer Apple's way of right clicking on the MacBooks as you dont have to move your thumb to the right in an awkward position to press the right click button. all you have to do is place two fingers on the trackpad which has a luxorious amount of space to accomadate this. also the OS X way is designed you dont have to right click as much as in windows. but for people who do want to right click there are ways to do tasks by right clicking.
if you havent already started using this feature i would suggest it. soon you never know what youd do without it.
but if your a true right click kinda person and you like a "real" right click button buy a wireless mouse.
Maybe it should do that, but it's not the consistent behavior.
Which puts us squarely back into the realm of undescribable behavior; though this also includes applications with scrollbars too (iTunes).
Then why is Apple implementing Maximize in their applications:
- iPhoto
- Numbers
- iMovie 08
I neither understand maintaining the indefensible position that the green button has a consistent behavior, nor that maximize is a great evil even as Apple embraces it.
And for a new grumble -- I wish iTunes got artwork from more than just its store. It's embarrassing that Windows Media Player is so much better at finding album artwork than iTunes.
What I hate most about Macs
What I hate most about Macs is the endless mindless bickering about inconsequential issues, even when the “correct” or “best” answer is obvious to any one with a modicum of knowledge of operating systems and user interfaces.
Take the posts in this thread about the green button as an example:
Back in the “olden days” a 14 inch screen was extraordinarily large, so it was often more comfortable to work with a maximized window. It was efficient to allow the user to maximize a window with a single click instead of dragging one or more edges of the window. Therefore a maximize button was a good thing, and may still be a good thing for some laptop users.
With today’s huge monitors (I use dual Dell 2707WFPs) most users seldom maximize an application, but some do in some situations.
Since the green button is NOT a maximize button, what can it possibly be? It’s difficult to answer this question because its operation is application dependent and ranges from almost no change in window size to enlarging the window to almost full-screen. The Mac fanboys justify this erratic operation by saying that they have become comfortable with how the button works with the apps that they use and that the response is consistent within classes of applications. I don’t think that the response is consistent within classis; some browsers widen just enough to eliminate the need for a horizontal scrollbar (this is a very useful function) and others widen to almost full screen.
If the GUI engineers (this is a GUI problem, not an OS problem) at Apple were allowed by management to develop the best possible solution to the green button question they would replace this button with two buttons; the first button would do exactly what the green button currently does in some applications - increase the size to minimize the need for scroll bars to view the window’s content - with OS controls that force the applications to comply, and the second button would be present and maximize the window if research shows that it would benefit some users.
It’s my opinion that some things (like the green button) don’t get fixed because Apple corporate policy is to NOT do anything that would appear that Apple is following Microsoft’s lead. This leads to my second most hated thing about Macs; knowledge that there are some things that will NEVER be fixed because of the fragile egos of a few in Cupertino. For example:
Think about the OS X implementation of Trash. Xerox’s original GUI included “safe” delete function that was copied almost exactly into NeXT. The current OS X trash is useful, but would be much more useful if it included the ability to do a one-click file restore and as well as be able to selectively delete files without having to resort to using Terminal. Windows has had this capability for many years. I can only think of two reasons that OS X still is crippled; one, Apple egos won’t allow it, or two, the UNIX file structure won’t easily allow a file to be flagged as “do not relinquish my disk space yet, show me as residing in this special “trash” directory, and no longer show me in my actual directory.” Even if it can be done in the UNIX kernel, it may be best to do it in the GUI code.
The facts are as clear as the acne on your face; I am right (as are all those whom are in agreement) and all who disagree are wrong! Case closed! No more bickering needed!
One thing that I don’t hate about the Mac are the Mac fanboys saying things like, “I like it this way. It ain’t Windoze! Get used to it or go home.” Their immature (emotionally and intellectually) fourteen year-old, almost failing seventh grade English posts are not required reading and can be read for entertainment during relaxation breaks. Keep it up guys - you know who you are!
What I hate most about Macs is the endless mindless bickering about inconsequential issues, even when the “correct” or “best” answer is obvious to any one with a modicum of knowledge of operating systems and user interfaces.
Take the posts in this thread about the green button as an example:
Back in the “olden days” a 14 inch screen was extraordinarily large, so it was often more comfortable to work with a maximized window. It was efficient to allow the user to maximize a window with a single click instead of dragging one or more edges of the window. Therefore a maximize button was a good thing, and may still be a good thing for some laptop users.
With today’s huge monitors (I use dual Dell 2707WFPs) most users seldom maximize an application, but some do in some situations.
Since the green button is NOT a maximize button, what can it possibly be? It’s difficult to answer this question because its operation is application dependent and ranges from almost no change in window size to enlarging the window to almost full-screen. The Mac fanboys justify this erratic operation by saying that they have become comfortable with how the button works with the apps that they use and that the response is consistent within classes of applications. I don’t think that the response is consistent within classis; some browsers widen just enough to eliminate the need for a horizontal scrollbar (this is a very useful function) and others widen to almost full screen.
If the GUI engineers (this is a GUI problem, not an OS problem) at Apple were allowed by management to develop the best possible solution to the green button question they would replace this button with two buttons; the first button would do exactly what the green button currently does in some applications - increase the size to minimize the need for scroll bars to view the window’s content - with OS controls that force the applications to comply, and the second button would be present and maximize the window if research shows that it would benefit some users.
It’s my opinion that some things (like the green button) don’t get fixed because Apple corporate policy is to NOT do anything that would appear that Apple is following Microsoft’s lead. This leads to my second most hated thing about Macs; knowledge that there are some things that will NEVER be fixed because of the fragile egos of a few in Cupertino. For example:
Think about the OS X implementation of Trash. Xerox’s original GUI included “safe” delete function that was copied almost exactly into NeXT. The current OS X trash is useful, but would be much more useful if it included the ability to do a one-click file restore and as well as be able to selectively delete files without having to resort to using Terminal. Windows has had this capability for many years. I can only think of two reasons that OS X still is crippled; one, Apple egos won’t allow it, or two, the UNIX file structure won’t easily allow a file to be flagged as “do not relinquish my disk space yet, show me as residing in this special “trash” directory, and no longer show me in my actual directory.” Even if it can be done in the UNIX kernel, it may be best to do it in the GUI code.
The facts are as clear as the acne on your face; I am right (as are all those whom are in agreement) and all who disagree are wrong! Case closed! No more bickering needed!
One thing that I don’t hate about the Mac are the Mac fanboys saying things like, “I like it this way. It ain’t Windoze! Get used to it or go home.” Their immature (emotionally and intellectually) fourteen year-old, almost failing seventh grade English posts are not required reading and can be read for entertainment during relaxation breaks. Keep it up guys - you know who you are!
Nick T. You had me sold in the first line of your post in #1088. I'm actually tired of all the bickering about the green button as well.
Then I read the rest of your posts (well I skimmed through it, couldn't read all of that gibberish, it was getting too long) and realized that you are just another one of the Windows or switcher crowd that's got his opinion about the green button.
I thought you were sick of all the arguing as well but you are just starting the argument over again.
And please drop the fanboy comments, it IS in fact against the forum rules. That word creates animosity.
Then I read the rest of your posts (well I skimmed through it, couldn't read all of that gibberish, it was getting too long) and realized that you are just another one of the Windows or switcher crowd that's got his opinion about the green button.
I thought you were sick of all the arguing as well but you are just starting the argument over again.
And please drop the fanboy comments, it IS in fact against the forum rules. That word creates animosity.
Which version are you running, and what's going wrong?
Just drag to the Trash; it's really that simple!
Which version are you running, and what's going wrong?
Just drag to the Trash; it's really that simple!
If you are talking about Safari on the Mac it's not quite that easy. Safari on the Mac is like I.E. on Windows, it's built into the OS, it's not a standalone app. You can't just drag it to the trash like Firefox. You can drag Safari to the trash but it won't really get rid of the application underneath. Safari will always be the best browser overall on the Mac, it's not worth the trouble of getting rid of it.
Use AppZapper for deleting applications. It also grabs the old preference files that can take up a lot of space.
I know what you're talking about, but I don't think that's what Vitek was referring to. It seems to me that he had two separate problems, Safari, and the lack of an uninstall app.
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To the moderator who deleted my recent post: Your act of deleting that post has me laughing, actually laughing out loud (not just lol) - - but you were right to do it. My comment was inappropriate and I apologize to all for having lost control of my meager good judgment. I'll make a strong effort toward not letting it happen again.
HLdan - - Im sorry that you failed to see the intended irony. I complained about people bickering about minor points and then proceeded to do the same thing by stating my perceptions as facts and assuming that Im right and no other positions exist.
However, I do have what I think are rational criticisms of OS X - - such as the lame implementation of trash. Just thinking of the f-word_b-word guys saying that they never delete anything in error puts a smile on my face. Safe Delete implementations have saved me a few times in the electronic world just and wastebasket inverting and dumpster diving have saved my butt in the real world.
There are some things that OS X does in a way that is far superior to Windows implementation - - such as CalBoy mentions above Just drag it to the Trash; its really that simple!
Most switchers dont realize that that filename.app is NOT an executable file. It is really a directory that contains the executable and all the supporting files that it requires. Delete fiolename.app and all traces are gone since there is no Registry (or anything resembling it) to deal with.
HLdan - - Im sorry that you failed to see the intended irony. I complained about people bickering about minor points and then proceeded to do the same thing by stating my perceptions as facts and assuming that Im right and no other positions exist.
However, I do have what I think are rational criticisms of OS X - - such as the lame implementation of trash. Just thinking of the f-word_b-word guys saying that they never delete anything in error puts a smile on my face. Safe Delete implementations have saved me a few times in the electronic world just and wastebasket inverting and dumpster diving have saved my butt in the real world.
There are some things that OS X does in a way that is far superior to Windows implementation - - such as CalBoy mentions above Just drag it to the Trash; its really that simple!
Most switchers dont realize that that filename.app is NOT an executable file. It is really a directory that contains the executable and all the supporting files that it requires. Delete fiolename.app and all traces are gone since there is no Registry (or anything resembling it) to deal with.
Wrong. Safari is not tied to OS X in any way, it's just the default browser. You can delete it and it will not hinder the OS in any way. In fact, when I ran Tiger, I did delete Safari, and used Firefox. I had no issues whatsoever.
Agreed. Where does it say Safari is tied into the OS?
Not to nitpick, but my preference files are never more than a megabyte (usually much less) and therefore don't NEED to be deleted.
In fact, my entire preference folder is 25 megs and that's from years of installing and uninstalling.
While I agree AppZapper is useful, it's more for peace of mind than space saving (there are exceptions, of course, especially for files such as Adobe app support whatevers).
I stand corrected;
I have no issue being corrected but some of you that may be a little more knowledgeable don't need to come across so arrogant.
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