Things you HATE about Macs...

[NoSmokingBandit]

Some mac shortcuts are good, but having cmd-Q quit an app is painful. I cant tell you how many times i meant to hit cmd-a in a hurry and hit cmd-a.

I hate the placement of the cmd button too, i moved to to mimic a windows/linux setup. Hitting cmd-x is painful with the buttons so close unless you have little kid hands.

I dont understand the locig of having the Enter key rename a folder. The enter key should enter the directory instead of renaming it. It really makes no sense.

 

[zync]

rename for windows was f2

i guess i'm just more used to windows and it's single key shortcuts
how long have u swtiched? i swtiched 6 months and still can't stand it, o well

i'll try the prefs thing thx

I forgot about that one. I never liked those types of shortcuts being tied to function buttons for some reason. I think function buttons should be used more for OS functions—like exposé.

I switched 6 years ago and have never looked back. I try to stay as far away from Windows as possible.

I hope the prefs help you out. Just keep in mind that you'll be in the same situation when you use another mac.

Most all of the other shortcuts are equivalent to Windows shortcuts. Just replace alt with opt and ctrl with cmd (except for some reason alt+tab is cmd+tab I think cmd+tab makes more sense though).

 

[zync]

Some mac shortcuts are good, but having cmd-Q quit an app is painful. I cant tell you how many times i meant to hit cmd-a in a hurry and hit cmd-a.

I hate the placement of the cmd button too, i moved to to mimic a windows/linux setup. Hitting cmd-x is painful with the buttons so close unless you have little kid hands.

Before Safari checked, it was a pain when I'd mean to close a window with cmd+w but instead hit cmd+q. Thankfully they've changed Safari. Of course, I haven't accidentally hit cmd+q since!

I definitely don't have little kid hands—I could palm a basketball when I was a freshman in high school—and have no problem hitting cmd+x. It's like putting your fingers together. But then again I'm a touch typist so I generally use my thumb on command instead of the Windows approach with the pinky on control.

I dont understand the locig of having the Enter key rename a folder. The enter key should enter the directory instead of renaming it. It really makes no sense.

That is a valid point. I would probably prefer cmd+r to be default. It's also not used in Finder.

 

[MacNoobie]

No Bluray movie playback using the built in dvd player.

 

[zync]

No Bluray movie playback using the built in dvd player.

That's because it's a DVD player.

All kidding aside, it would be nice to have Blu-ray drives standard and a Blu ray player that is as elegant as the DVD player.

I'm guessing that they don't want to pay Sony so much to license the tech.

 

[dejo]

I'm guessing that they don't want to pay Sony so much to license the tech.

The Blu-ray Disc Association is not just Sony. And Apple is a member of its board, same as Sony.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I'm guessing that they don't want to pay Sony so much to license the tech.

Since when does Sony own blu-ray?

 

[zync]

Since when does Sony own blu-ray?

I never said that it did, however I recall reading—though I could be incorrect—that Sony owns the license to the hardware.

The Blu-ray Disc Association is not just Sony. And Apple is a member of its board, same as Sony.

I am well aware that Apple is also a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association's board.

After further investigation—which may also be incorrect—I find that sony owns the logo. So I suppose to say that it has a Blu-ray player, they'd have to license that logo.

 

[dejo]

After further investigation—which may also be incorrect—I find that sony owns the logo. So I suppose to say that it has a Blu-ray player, they'd have to license that logo.

Where are you reading this? Do you have a link?

From what I can tell, the Blu-ray Disc Association is responsible for the logo licensing (and it's free anyways).
http://www.blu-raydisc.info/bluray_logo/other_logo.php

 

[saltyzoo]

I suppose the email address on the bottom of the contact page is purely coinky dink.

 

[dog13000]

yno what.. i used to have the exact problem. downloading apps and then not being able to remember, even after looking at them. so that's when i thought of spotlight comments (cmd + i).actully apple did.lol.
and well, if using keyboard makes u feel that ur going backwards, then that's your problem. it just gets my work done faster.

Is it difficult to put all of your applications in one folder... perhaps even the convenetly named "Applications" folder? How is looking in the applications folder any harder then looking at a list of programs in the start menu?

 

[zync]

Where are you reading this? Do you have a link?

From what I can tell, the Blu-ray Disc Association is responsible for the logo licensing (and it's free anyways).
http://www.blu-raydisc.info/bluray_logo/other_logo.php

It was a quick check at the forums of blu-ray.com.

The cost was a supposition. Also, it could have been older information. I never said it was verified. I'm typing and trying to watch the inauguration. I apologize for any incorrect information. I just recalled hearing that being a possible stumbling block for Apple to adopt Blu-ray, and found some information to corroborate it. Perhaps that was the previous situation.

 

[zync]

Is it difficult to put all of your applications in one folder... perhaps even the convenetly named "Applications" folder? How is looking in the applications folder any harder then looking at a list of programs in the start menu?

It's easier because you can start typing the name while in the folder and it'll go right to it.

 

[268144]

InsomniaX stops the sleep when you shut your lid.

i don't really have any problems, apart from the price.

 

[janstett]

I never said that it did, however I recall reading—though I could be incorrect—that Sony owns the license to the hardware.

I am well aware that Apple is also a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association's board.

After further investigation—which may also be incorrect—I find that sony owns the logo. So I suppose to say that it has a Blu-ray player, they'd have to license that logo.

It's set up very similarly to how DVD licensing works. Complex tech like that usually has several components that must be licensed from several companies (the physical disc and laser I think is Toshiba, the MPEG licensing authority for MPEG-2, DTS needs a separate license for decoding, etc.) and it makes little sense for everybody who wants to make a DVD player to individually work with all the companies. So they set up what's called the "DVD Forum" and licensees pay one fee to them.

It's the same thing with the "Blu-Ray Disc Association", you license all the tech through them. Of course this time around Sony is more important and plays a bigger role, as most of the big DVD Forum members were backing HD-DVD that left a power vacuum which Sony filled.

There is a lot of technology that has to be licensed.
- Laser and physical disc (Sony)
- Many codecs this time around -- MPEG2, VC1 (Microsoft), H.264 AVC (not sure who controls that), plus Dolby, DTS, and other lossless formats. It gets much more complex than DVD was.

Here are what I think are the real reasons Apple hasn't adopted Blu-Ray:

(1) Huge restrictions on playback on the Mac. MS, Cyberlink (PowerDVD), and Corel (WinDVD) faced HEAVY pressure I guess from the MPAA to cripple playback on "unapproved" device pathways. They want HDCP or analog (VGA) playback, otherwise the player has to stop completely or downscale the video to 480p. Very draconian oversight pressure by these guys and Apple probably told them to take a hike. They demanded support for this crippling behavior in Vista. Probably want the same in OSX out of Apple.
(2) Not sure how much of HDCP is software and how much is hardware (I assume it's a hardware handshaking protocol) but if support isn't there already on all the Mac video solutions, then it means going back and adding support to the drivers, etc., and some cards may not support it. So the support matrix starts to look like a checkerboard.
(3) AVC and VC1 are the dominant video codecs for Blu-Ray -- how well Apple's installed base would handle 1080p H.264 is dubious. I know in VLC playing back H.264 1080p videos can be painful even on a quad or octo core Mac Pro. I think with iPod/iPhone Apple is clear on H.264 being the future, but playback of 1080p content on desktops may be something they aren't prepared for.

 

[zync]

There is a lot of technology that has to be licensed.
- Laser and physical disc (Sony)
- Many codecs this time around -- MPEG2, VC1 (Microsoft), H.264 AVC (not sure who controls that), plus Dolby, DTS, and other lossless formats. It gets much more complex than DVD was.

This is what I figured. Thanks for pointing it out.

Here are what I think are the real reasons Apple hasn't adopted Blu-Ray:

(1) Huge restrictions on playback on the Mac. MS, Cyberlink (PowerDVD), and Corel (WinDVD) faced HEAVY pressure I guess from the MPAA to cripple playback on "unapproved" device pathways. They want HDCP or analog (VGA) playback, otherwise the player has to stop completely or downscale the video to 480p. Very draconian oversight pressure by these guys and Apple probably told them to take a hike. They demanded support for this crippling behavior in Vista. Probably want the same in OSX out of Apple.
(2) Not sure how much of HDCP is software and how much is hardware (I assume it's a hardware handshaking protocol) but if support isn't there already on all the Mac video solutions, then it means going back and adding support to the drivers, etc., and some cards may not support it. So the support matrix starts to look like a checkerboard.
(3) AVC and VC1 are the dominant video codecs for Blu-Ray -- how well Apple's installed base would handle 1080p H.264 is dubious. I know in VLC playing back H.264 1080p videos can be painful even on a quad or octo core Mac Pro. I think with iPod/iPhone Apple is clear on H.264 being the future, but playback of 1080p content on desktops may be something they aren't prepared for.

I agree. The only thing I disagree with is that it's not hard for me to play 1080p H.264 files on my iMac. I also don't have problems playing files from a RED downsampled to 1080p ProRes 422 (though it should be easier to decode). The only thing it chokes on is 1080p animation files (obviously). Granted I'm talking 1080p24, but I doubt there would be much difference at 30 frames.

 

[Topher15]

The reason Apple are not realising a Blu-Ray drive is because they want people to buy HD content from them ($$$), via the iTunes Store.

here is a list of annoying things i found when switching from xp, only thing i found easier was networking...

OSX:
-can't read ntfs partitions used in bootcamp which was provided by apple (solved with ntfs-3g)

-can't maximize windows (used "witch")
does not make sense to make window size to page content, because content can change or i might zoom in!!

-safari only zooms text (used firefox)

-loud noise at startup, plug in earphones doesn't work (use "prefplane")

-mighty mouse not sensitive enough (used "mouse zoom")

-stupid shortcuts in finder and everything else ie
-enter key renames a file instead of opening it!
-cmd + [ for back, cmd + o for open < wth thought of this???!!
-option for cut and paste

-hard to navigate through multiple windows of same app, ie firefox/msn messenger (should include the option to group/ungroup in dock like xp!)
-expose/alt tab moves windows around
ie expose > select a window >expose :windows were moved

-no "close-lid" option

bottom line, it did not "just work" as advertised, for me anyway

I guess the problem is trying to use OS X like Windows. When you do that you'll get problems. I found many of these 'small' things annoying at first when I switched (in Oct 07) but now I find it all far more easier.

Regarding navigating Finder. I made the following custom shortcuts: cmd+left arrow (navigate back), cmd+right arrow (navigate forward) and cmd+down arrow (open file).

 

[Schtumple]

After a recent conversation that just ended up divulging into a one sided shouting match:

A certain percentage of the users AKA "the fanboys"

Most fanboys are little more than sniveling hate machines, who love nothing more than exercising their right to blitz the conversation with wild accusations not based on any primary source or well known fact, just their opinion, because lord knows, if they were proved wrong, the feeling of self loathing would consume them like the ever growing disparity of alienation.

However, apple fanboys are something extra, they have a heightened feeling of superiority over the common person, which generally leads to more BS and frustration if you're trying to talk rationally with them...

<end rant>

I didn't actually think I could come out with something like that, so well put, I'm sure it's filled with many grammatical errors, if it is, please, be my guest in also enlightening my other dislike: Grammar nazis (the overkill ones)

 

[zync]

Nazis should be capitalized.

Sorry. I had to do it.

 

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

People who don't have a Mac and ask what I hate about my Mac.

 

[TH-Gunner]

OSX:
-can't read ntfs partitions used in bootcamp which was provided by apple (solved with ntfs-3g)

Are you sure about that? I thought you can read but not write NTFS by default. I know I've plugged in NTFS external HDDs and read from them just fine.

-can't maximize windows (used "witch")
does not make sense to make window size to page content, because content can change or i might zoom in!!

I agree. Zoom is a nice concept, but there should be a Maximize in addition to Zoom.

-loud noise at startup, plug in earphones doesn't work (use "prefplane")

I think this is a problem with 10.5.6, the loud pop when the OS enters the GUI.

-stupid shortcuts in finder and everything else ie
-enter key renames a file instead of opening it!

I kinda like this better. If I want to rename something, I can do it with the stroke of a single key. Why are you opening things with enter? If I'm on the keyboard and I'm looking for something to open up, I use Spotlight or Quicksilver. There I can use Enter to open up whatever I'm looking for.

-cmd + [ for back, cmd + o for open < wth thought of this???!!

Yeah, that's pretty fail. However, I remedied this by making cmd + <- and cmd + -> back and forward in "Keyboard Shortcuts." You can do it for just the Finder or for all applications. Just do that and never think about it again.

-hard to navigate through multiple windows of same app, ie firefox/msn messenger (should include the option to group/ungroup in dock like xp!)

You can use cmd + ` (the key next to the number 1). That basically alt + tabs windows of the same app.

-expose/alt tab moves windows around
ie expose > select a window >expose :windows were moved

Never had this problem, never heard of it.

-no "close-lid" option

Look up insomniax.

That used to bug me too, but I then fell in love with being able to rename with a simple stroke of enter. I don't think there was a key command for it in xp, so it always required right clicking.

Agreed.

One can always change their shortcuts. Unlike windows, it's easy to change the shortcut keys by going to system prefs>keyboard & mouse>keyboard shortcuts. If it doesn't exist yet, you can even add it. And you can add them for programs that don't support changing shortcuts as well.

Yes! This is one of the things I love about OSX. And I think as of 10.5.6, you can even change the modifier keys (ctrl, alt, cmd) and make different profiles for them for different keyboards.

The only one I miss is delete (backspace) in the finder. I do wish it would go back and I wish shift+delete would go forward. But, I think I'll take my own advice and change it. Or I just might learn cmd+bracket. That's not hard either. It might be slightly less efficient, but it's not a big deal. And like I said, if I want to change it, it's easy.

Just change it to cmd + <- and ->. Since the browsers are like that, I think the Finder should be like that as well. It only makes sense.

Some mac shortcuts are good, but having cmd-Q quit an app is painful. I cant tell you how many times i meant to hit cmd-a in a hurry and hit cmd-a.

I had that problem when I used QWERTY, but now I use Dvorak, and away went that problem

I hate the placement of the cmd button too, i moved to to mimic a windows/linux setup. Hitting cmd-x is painful with the buttons so close unless you have little kid hands.

Yeah, I love how you can make different modifier placement profiles for different keyboards!

I dont understand the locig of having the Enter key rename a folder. The enter key should enter the directory instead of renaming it. It really makes no sense.

I don't think it makes sense either, but I like it. If you want to open something with enter, you should be using Quicksilver anyway! That way:

1. You don't have to click through a series of folders to find what you're looking for

2. You in fact CAN use Enter to open it

Before Safari checked, it was a pain when I'd mean to close a window with cmd+w but instead hit cmd+q. Thankfully they've changed Safari. Of course, I haven't accidentally hit cmd+q since!

Learn Dvorak

I definitely don't have little kid hands—I could palm a basketball when I was a freshman in high school—and have no problem hitting cmd+x. It's like putting your fingers together. But then again I'm a touch typist so I generally use my thumb on command instead of the Windows approach with the pinky on control.

I use Dvorak, and for me, the X on the keyboard is a Q, and the comma on the keyboard is a W. So basically to do cmd + Q (X, for you), I just kinda "pinch" with my thumb and forefinger the cmd and Q buttons.

However, apple fanboys are something extra, they have a heightened feeling of superiority over the common person, which generally leads to more BS and frustration if you're trying to talk rationally with them...

lol like when you say, "Why can windows do 'restore items' from the Recycle Bin," the fanboys scream, "Who cares? You shouldn't be putting stuff in the Trash anyway!" Duh... But it's still a feature windows has that OSX doesn't. "So? So what?" lol...

 

[buddhaface]

I hate the Finder, the lack of Cut-Paste in Finder, the Eject button, Zoom, and the bouncing security/update icon in the Dock.

But I think the mentality of some Mac users (particularly the recent college-age Switchers) annoy me more than anything else.

 

[eXan]

I hate the Finder, the lack of Cut-Paste in Finder, the Eject button, Zoom, and the bouncing security/update icon in the Dock.

But I think the mentality of some Mac users (particularly the recent college-age Switchers) annoy me more than anything else.

What's wrong with the Eject button?

 

[buddhaface]

What's wrong with the Eject button?

Never works on the first try for me. I always have to hold it for a long time. Don't get it either. But that's a minor annoyance.

Finder's limited functionality (and strange idiosyncrasies) is a big annoyance though.

 

[macrem]

Never works on the first try for me. I always have to hold it for a long time. Don't get it either. But that's a minor annoyance.

Finder's limited functionality (and strange idiosyncrasies) is a big annoyance though.

Its not an annoyance, its by design so accidentally tapping the eject button does not eject your media.

Also your Finder statement is too broad to address. Could you please be a little more specific?