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I wonder how many other people out there who own an Apple Silicon macbook also ordered two of them just to return them. Very considerate to those in the queue, why not just go to the Apple store like a normal person and demo them there? Bizarre.
These people and the scalpers made Hong Kong's Apple Stores (online and physical) no longer accept any return.
 
It also has a very loud fan, clearly evidenced on YouTube and others in this forum, it runs hot for no reason, and it has sub-par battery life.
I would hope that the MBP14” fans both are more silent and run far less often than my i9 MBP16”, but in the end this, battery life and the ridiculous size of the Notch might well push me to be sensible and get a MBA, despite its strong vintage vibe (it looks like my beloved 2012 Retina MBP) in the display area.
 
So they did and I doubt many of them recommended that anyone trade in a M1 Air or MacBook to get a 2021, but at the same time I certainly don’t remember many of them saying buy an M1 Air or MacBook instead of a M1 Pro MacBook. I’m trading in a 2015 MacBook Pro and I waited until Apple produced a machine with features I wanted, which happens to be 14in MacBook Pro.
It was worse. Over the past week I’ve heard these so called podcasters blatantly say that ‘the M1 was just not fast enough’ and that they could easily ‘cripple’ the M1 with their workflow. Heck one been went out of the way to say the M1 wasn’t capable of editing 4K video. It’s a joke compared to their comments this time last year which only exposes them to be disingenuous.

My question wasn’t to those who waited for the M1 Pro / Max but to those who traded in their M1 particularly those willing to accept Apples pathetic trade in value - just what in the past year did they find lacking about the M1s performance. I’m not seeing it, but I am genuinely interested in hearing about their experience. Things such as Touch Bar and lack of ports isn’t really a reason as you could easily use a dongle or dock to get access to those, and it’s not as if mobile working has been the rage during the past year of the pandemic. So what specifically about the M1’s performance failed those people? Or is this just the Apple hype machine all over again?
 
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I had zero problems with my M1 MacBook Pro. The only thing I would sometimes miss are 32GB of RAM, but this is something I would like to have more on my desktop computer.
 
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I am keeping both.

- MacBook Air M1 16GB for couch use, bringing with me for stand-by duty (IT work) and on vacations etc..
- MacBook Pro M1 16GB as main workstation at home and in the office.

The Air is too good to get rid of. Its light weight, thin design and powerful performance makes it an ideal all-round laptop for around the house.
 
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I was planning on selling my 13" MacBook Pro and replacing it with the 14" MacBook Pro. No way in hell am I doing that now. Here is why after having both now:

1. The 13" is thin and light. I KNOW the specs of the 14" say it isn't that much thicker and heavier, but, damn it, when I have them both, it just doesn't feel like that. The 13" just feels SO MUCH more portable than the 14".

2. Battery life on the 14" is trash compared to the 13". I KNOW the specs say it shouldn't be that much difference, but IT IS. My 13" is lasting HOURS longer than the 14".

3. No notch. It just is what it is. I can't stop seeing it.

4. Temperatures. Again, I KNOW the 14" shouldn't be getting hot, but damn it, IT IS. I can feel the heat randomly ramp up randomly during normal use. This just DOES NOT HAPPEN on the 13".

5. Touchbar is gone. I know some people hate it. I generally prefer it being there.

That said, I am keeping both.... because the 14" is crushing the 13" in regard to performance when I have CPU and GPU intensive work. It just is what it is. But the 13" will be my primary portable/casual use MacBook.

So, my take away is this, it is probably going to be a LONG TIME until Apple releases another MacBook Pro that checks all these boxes. (5 will never be checked again). I just don't see the notch going away for AT LEAST 3 generations. Battery life and heat and are going to be hard for them to ever match the 13" again because people are only going to be demanding more performance from here on out.

So, just think about tossing your 13", because it may be a long time to find such a damn good MacBook again.
How's the difference between the two in a backpack? Miniscule. That's the real test, not picking them up along the edge with one hand. The notch can be made invisible. Get the tool you need.
 
I wonder how many other people out there who own an Apple Silicon macbook also ordered two of them just to return them. Very considerate to those in the queue, why not just go to the Apple store like a normal person and demo them there? Bizarre.
Rumor floating around that some people are worried it might be too heavy to carry so they are letting the delivery carriers strain themselves before attempting to pick them up.
 
I returned both the 14 and 16 yesterday and my eyes have re-adjusted to non ProMotion. It’s perfectly fine and I love seeing how sleek and thin my M1 MBP is :)
I agree, the human eyes can adjust quickly to these slight changes. I go back and forth between an iPhone 12 Pro, iPad Pro and M1 MBA and at times an iPad Mini, I have not noticed anything significant. Even miniLED with its brightness is not a big factor unless viewing HDR content. It seems some of these features are activated for specific scenarios and not day-to-day usage.

Now of OLED or microLED makes its introduction on the Mac it will be noticed like on iPhone.
 
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It was worse. Over the past week I’ve heard these so called podcasters blatantly say that ‘the M1 was just not fast enough’ and that they could easily ‘cripple’ the M1 with their workflow. Heck one been went out of the way to say the M1 wasn’t capable of editing 4K video. It’s a joke compared to their comments this time last year which only exposes them to be disingenuous.

My question wasn’t to those who waited for the M1 Pro / Max but to those who traded in their M1 particularly those willing to accept Apples pathetic trade in value - just what in the past year did they find lacking about the M1s performance. I’m not seeing it, but I am genuinely interested in hearing about their experience. Things such as Touch Bar and lack of ports isn’t really a reason as you could easily use a dongle or dock to get access to those, and it’s not as if mobile working has been the rage during the past year of the pandemic. So what specifically about the M1’s performance failed those people? Or is this just the Apple hype machine all over again?
Liars and professional Apple Shillers. M1 is still more than enough power and performance for 99% of Mac Users.
 
How's the difference between the two in a backpack? Miniscule. That's the real test, not picking them up along the edge with one hand. The notch can be made invisible. Get the tool you need.
If you enable the invisible notch feature, you're toggling on thicker fake bezels on the side and at the top essentially giving you the M1 13 screen. The notch is ugly and serves no purpose other than to create controversy and a placeholder for Face ID which will probably come next year.
 
Most studios have render farm servers and these new MBP’s are designed for mobile/field work. I suspect even the Apple advertised professionals offload the majority of their work to the studio render farms.

I remember using an SGI Sparc workstation to render a minute 3D animation of the solar system which took approximately a day or less granted if the system did not crash during the process. I completed a 3D animation of 3 minutes on a PowerBook G3 that took approximately 10 days and that was me tweaking render settings. Granted the SGI with MAYA did a superior job but the cost and time was astronomical compared to my G3 Pismo at a fraction of the cost.
Oh the days of running IRIX on an SGI machine because they were the only workstations back in the day with enough power and RAM to deal with large high-resolution files. Nostalgia.
 
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Liars and professional Apple Shillers. M1 is still more than enough power and performance for 99% of Mac Users.
Power as in CPU? Yes, for me. Or at least for me right now. In 3-5 years? Perhaps not.
But 16Gb of ram is just a bit tight now and will be a constraint for me in 3-5 years.
I had this with my 13" MBP base model with 8Gb and I've seriously regretted that I didn't get 16Gb at the time. Even after a year or so there was a lot of beach balling.
So I really lusted for the M1 this whole year, but waited for the 32Gb version.
 
Most people will be fine with 8GB on these new machines for the next 5-6 years. They operate so differently than the traditional x86-64 processors. Strong iGPU as well will help tremendously.
 
Most people will be fine with 8GB on these new machines for the next 5-6 years. They operate so differently than the traditional x86-64 processors. Strong iGPU as well will help tremendously.
How do you know, how can you forecast such a thing?
8Gb on my 2018 intel machine was already a problem, why will 8Gb (even if M1 is much much more efficient) be enough in 6 years?
And I admit I use my MBP professionally and probably a lot heavier than most home-users, students and other assorted users, but even for these categories 8Gb might be a really tight fit in years to come.
 
How do you know, how can you forecast such a thing?
8Gb on my 2018 intel machine was already a problem, why will 8Gb (even if M1 is much much more efficient) be enough in 6 years?
And I admit I use my MBP professionally and probably a lot heavier than most home-users, students and other assorted users, but even for these categories 8Gb might be a really tight fit in years to come.
A good indicator of this will be to see what the system requirements are for recent operating systems. In the case of macOS Monterey/Windows 11 you are looking at 4GB and I am assuming this is with DDR3-1600ish/DDR4-2133 speed ram in mind. Most demanding games run fine on 8GB DDR4 RAM if you have a fairly recent build. Recent Ryzen/Intel Core 10th-11th gen laptops still ship with 4GB RAM, as hard as that is to believe.

On the Macs a good example were the Core i9 MBPs with 16GB-32GB of RAM compared to the base model M1 macs. There are certain use cases for professionals in where the increase in memory makes sense, but for the average joe opening up their laptop to check email, youtube and netflix? I can't imagine many scenarios in where 8GB will be an issue for most on these new machines.

I don't have the requirements in front of me, but I believe Windows 10 and whatever macOS version we were on back then called for a 2GB RAM requirement. 4GB seemed to make sense for most people at that time.
 
The M1 Pro and Max doubles the performance (and more) of the regular M1 and there's no doubt these new machines are for pro-level use. This leaves Apple room to upgrade the MacBook Air next spring with a new design and the next iteration of M1. It'll be faster, not as fast as M1 Pro of course, but if they can deliver a fan-less 14" MacBook Air (and perhaps a one-fan 14" MacBook Pro) that focuses on being thin-and-light, consumers/pro-sumers won't care.
 
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A good indicator of this will be to see what the system requirements are for recent operating systems. In the case of macOS Monterey/Windows 11 you are looking at 4GB and I am assuming this is with DDR3-1600ish/DDR4-2133 speed ram in mind. Most demanding games run fine on 8GB DDR4 RAM if you have a fairly recent build. Recent Ryzen/Intel Core 10th-11th gen laptops still ship with 4GB RAM, as hard as that is to believe.

On the Macs a good example were the Core i9 MBPs with 16GB-32GB of RAM compared to the base model M1 macs. There are certain use cases for professionals in where the increase in memory makes sense, but for the average joe opening up their laptop to check email, youtube and netflix? I can't imagine many scenarios in where 8GB will be an issue for most on these new machines.

I don't have the requirements in front of me, but I believe Windows 10 and whatever macOS version we were on back then called for a 2GB RAM requirement. 4GB seemed to make sense for most people at that time.
But with these amounts of ram Windows/MacOS will hardly function? If you start 2/3 apps you're out of memory and on a 4-6 year old laptop the SSD/disk is so incredible slow that a swap file will mean endless hourglass/beach balls at every click?
Just Google uses 1Gb of Ram for 1 tab. Windowserver 1+Gb, Whatsapp 800Mb. That is well over 2Gb and with other systems processes it goes easily over 4Gb.
 
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Oh the days of running IRIX on an SGI machine because they were the only workstations back in the day with enough power and RAM to deal with large high-resolution files. Nostalgia.
Oh the days when Irix’ windows kernel-crashed when opening windows where a few 1000 SoftImage animation frames had been rendered into. Nonostalgia.
 
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Windows 11 you are looking at 4GB
I wouldn't buy a computer with anything less than 8G for Windows 11 these days, and heavy users get 16G or more. I don't think I'd buy one for Monterey with less than 16G, but that would be a personal machine, not job related.
 
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If someone already has an M1 Air or M1 Pro and it is not underperforming for their workflow then the upgrade to the M1 Max/Pro is just an impulse purchase. Funny thing is come next year they are most likely to upgrade again because the M2 will trump the M1 - quite obviously. Just buy what you need. What I am wondering is why so many M1 Air/Pro 13 owners are accepting the measly trade in values to upgrade. That is the worst part. I have a 13" M1 Pro with 16GB Ram and 512GB HDD perfect condition.. I checked what apple would offer.. £500 lol!
Crazy part for me was when I got an Apple trade-in value for my M1 MBA w/16gb ram was that it didn't ask for my serial number and only wanted my year, model, and storage space. So the fact I spent $200 on the RAM upgrade didn't factor into the trade-in value which crushed me given how much Apple charges for ram. This is when I knew anything other than a base model simply wasn't worth it if you trade-in frequently.
 
I agree, the human eyes can adjust quickly to these slight changes. I go back and forth between an iPhone 12 Pro, iPad Pro and M1 MBA and at times an iPad Mini, I have not noticed anything significant. Even miniLED with its brightness is not a big factor unless viewing HDR content. It seems some of these features are activated for specific scenarios and not day-to-day usage.

Now of OLED or microLED makes its introduction on the Mac it will be noticed like on iPhone.
In all fairness though all of your devices besides the IPP are all 60hz displays so unless you spend significant time scrolling on your IPP it might not be noticeable.
 
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